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I didn't realize until I was watching the MNF game and switching back to the Indian's game, that they showed a list of FA Quarterbacks for next year and there was Derek Anderson.
If he proves he's earn himself to be our starter for awhile, do the Browns sign him long term and maybe lay the franchise tag on him. What would you other Phil Savages do?
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Isn't he restricted? If so we wouldn't get anything for him would we? Wait, are you sure he's a FA? That doesn't seem right, I thought he would be one after next year.
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He is a restricted free agent, so the Browns have some options.
I suspect that they make a "1st round" tender, and promise him the opportunity to compete for the job next year as the incumbent.
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Well I guess he is a RFA then. Really doesn't seem like he's been here 3 years does it?
I would have to agree with Ytown. Keep him and allow him to compete.
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I didn't realize until I was watching the MNF game and switching back to the Indian's game, that they showed a list of FA Quarterbacks for next year and there was Derek Anderson.
If he proves he's earn himself to be our starter for awhile, do the Browns sign him long term and maybe lay the franchise tag on him. What would you other Phil Savages do?
If I'm given the choice, I how I'd handle the entire situation from this point forward. Since I wouldn't want to disrupt team chemistry this year, I'd play DA out until he falters enough to squeeze Brady in there. If the opportunity presents itself, I give DA the hook when I can because I believe the experience would be invaluable to Quinn. I wouldn't force it though since benching DA arbitrarily would kill morale. If it doesn't happen, I'd be willing to leave DA in all year and give Quinn the full year to learn.
In the off-season, I'd tender DA at the second round level (possibly first round depending on how he finishes), hoping that someone is willing to pay it. The franchise tag doesn't make sense since being a RFA lets us get him for a much tinier tender (plus, there's about 0 chance I want to pay DA over 8 million and even less of a chance a team would give two firsts for him). If no one gives up the RFA pick (which I'd doubt), I'd be actively shopping Anderson to remove any kind of quarterback controversy and give Quinn full reign of the team. I think we've learned this year the difference between having a QB controversy and a crystal clear picture. Either way, since DA probably won't want to be a backup, he's out of here. If he's willing to stay on as a backup for whatever reason, I'll give him a multi-year extension and enjoy the depth.
However... Brady is the future no matter how you slice it. Maybe that's just me though. 
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Assuming DA can continue playing as he has, I really have a hard time letting him leave. I mean, our team is finally COMPETITIVE with him at QB.
If we dive into the rookie thing again, it's 5 steps back. BQ has the potential, but that's all that's there right now - raw potential. He's going to need at least 2-3 years to get comfortable. Until then, we are back to waiting for 'next year'.
Well, I'm tired of next year talk. We have a GREAT time NOW. K2, Braylon, etc. are not going to stick around here when their deals are up while we groom yet another QB. By the time Quinn is good, we'll be back to square one.
It just feels like the team is good NOW and heading in the right direction NOW. Shore up the defense next draft and FA, and we can contend for the division.
Put a rookie QB in there and we are back to fighting with Cinci for the basement.
This is all assuming that DA continues to light it up this year. Perhaps these few games have been flukes. I doubt it, but it may be.
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Yes, and then what happens if DA starts to get really really good, and starts putting together some wins? What if DA turns into Tom Brady or something. I know, I can't believe I just typed that one but...
What will we do with Quinn?, What happens then, would we trade him or something, what would we get?
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I was thinking about DA on the way up to the Seattle game yesterday. I was actually wondering if because the trade deadling is 10/16 if we've had any offers for him. I'm not saying to trade him, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got a few offers for him that weren't made public, considering there are a few QBs down in the league. What I pretty much decided was that if there was a ridiculous offer (1st or 2nd), that we'd have to accept it.
So, taking that one step farther to your question, and taking in consideration the cap implications I'd put up a 2nd round tender. It'll cost us 1.417M (fist round tender is 2.017M) if I read it correctly.
I don't think that the Browns offer anything long term until next year.
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong here,,but there seems to be several choices:
1. Sign him to a long term contract and see if some team matches it. I believe that if it's a high enough offer, the team that signs him would be required to give us thier 1st round pick. There may be a few teams that would do this,,not sure.
2. Sign and trade him
3. Sign and find a way to offer more than anyone else and keep him
4. Let him go
Only options 1,2 and 3 are worth discussing.
I guess it depends what we can get.
My only comment is this, if Savage is thinking about letting him get away, then we damn well better find out soon if Quinn is indeed the man...
One thing about Anderson, we know we can win with him.. we don't know that about Quinn yet and I'd sure like to find out.
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THE BROWNS CAN'T EVEN TELL WHAT KIND OF TALENT THEY HAVE ON OFFENSE UNTIL THEY PROVIDE AN OFFENSIVE LINE THAT CAN PROTECT QBS AND OPEN HOLES FOR RBS. IF A QB DOESNT HAVE TIME TO THROW, YOUR NOT GOING TO KNOW ABOUT THE WRS EITHER.
On the subject of Derek Anderson, the front office has dropped the ball by not having him signed beyond this season.
Did the front office think Anderson would play like this...NOPE, none of us did therefore I'm not blaming anyone. This is just a situation that materialized when all the right pieces of the offense came together.
With Frye leaving after the first game, and suddenly handing the ball to Anderson, the offensive coaching staff, Savage and Crennel must have thought Anderson had the potential to be a better fit in this offense than Frye.
But make no mistake about it, Brady Quinn was picked in the draft because the Browns didn't believe they had the type of talent at QB that could be productive enough to take the Browns to the playoffs.
IMO, Frye was dealt to clear the path for Quinn and Anderson was supposed to play the position until Quinn was ready.
Now the front office finds themselves in a bit of bad position. The "fill in" QB can play the game much better than anyone thought he would. Anderson's play has Quinn firmly planted on the sidelines, holding the clipboard as the new offense is rolling with Anderson at QB...
The Browns offense now ranks...
#4 in overall offense
#8 in yards per game
#13 in rushing (note passing game helps running game, other wise credit OL/RBs)
#6 in passing
#9 in passing yds per game
#3 in scoring
#4 in pts per game with 27.8
And Anderson is ranked in the top 10 of the NFL in several categories...
#6 QB in total yds
#5 QB in yds per pass
#3 QB in TD passes with 14
#5t QB in times sacked
#11 QB in rating with 88.9
And, Anderson is getting better every game.
I don't see how the Browns can jerk the rug from underneath Anderson and hand the ball to Quinn. This offense is playing at a playoff level and the Browns are setting at 3-3.
If I were Savage, I would be looking to get Anderson under contract, beyond the 2007 season, ASAP, The Browns stand to lose Anderson to free agency after this season and get nothing in return.
Now I'm no guru when it comes to free agency rules and contracts, so if anyone has other information to add, please do so.
Having quality depth at QB can mean the difference between making the playoffs and going home after the last regular season game. The "goal" of this franchise is to play beyond that last game of the regular season.
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Now the front office finds themselves in a bit of bad position. The "fill in" QB can play the game much better than anyone thought he would.
What a great position to find outselves in don't you think..
No matter what, we are in the CAT BIRD seat.. to keep anderson, all we gotta do is match any offer he gets, and we have the money to do it. No matter what the plan is for him,, starter or backup,, we can keep him if we want to,,,
Or, we can let him get away and collect a pick for him..
Leaving me with only one concern,, is Quinn the man... I wanna find out before we have to make those choices...
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.....Who'd of thought we'd EVER have discussions on DA like this..   ....If we can pull out a first or second rd pick,or multiple picks for DA then we have to take it......We are not in a pos. to have 1st or 2nd rd talent(I know,..it sounds crazy) sitting on the bench when we need SOOO much Defensive help. We have an Offense now that can let a QB flourish,...finiding an adequate backup for BQ will not be as difficult as before....There's simply not enough balance on this team to stack one side of the deck.
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If I were Savage, I would be looking to get Anderson under contract, beyond the 2007 season, ASAP, The Browns stand to lose Anderson to free agency after this season and get nothing in return.
Now I'm no guru when it comes to free agency rules and contracts, so if anyone has other information to add, please do so.
Having quality depth at QB can mean the difference between making the playoffs and going home after the last regular season game. The "goal" of this franchise is to play beyond that last game of the regular season.
The problem with that is that all Anderson has to do is sign his tender, wait a year, and he becomes a UFA. I would love to have quality depth, but if DA has any starting aspirations whatsoever, he knows he should probably go elsewhere. Brady's draft position dictates that the organization will likely be forcing him into play (ala Rivers over Brees when Brees did very well, Palmer over Kitna when Kitna did very well, etc.) We can't think of this from a "this is what would be good for the Browns" perspective - we have to think of it as "this is what is realistic for the Browns perspective".
There's a reason why great QB depth in the NFL never lasts very long - they want to start. If we keep DA to start or if we push Brady in to start, someone is going to be unhappy. When you're forced to pick between one, RFA tenders are intentionally made very trade friendly and rookie contracts aren't. The decision we'll end up having to make in the future is fairly clear IMO... that is, unless DA just feels like being a backup. 
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j/k Before we start nameing streets and putting him in a chad Johnson Yellow coat, lets all remember there is alot of football left to be played, things change, god I hope they dont and if they do it only gets better, but lets lets not start building him a bust just yet, This issue will be addressed after the season as well it should. We all know Brady is the guy for next year, DA has two choices 1. Sign for good money and be the # 2 guy on a team he likes, with teammates that respect him in a system that fits him...... or Check out the FA market see how much money he can get, go to a team where nothing is guarneteed, into a system he has to learn with teammates he dosent know, and with a possibliity he still might end up # 2. DA dosent seem like a dummy to me he will sign for fair money, compete in training camp with Brady the best guy will win the job and after the season both will get fitted for Super Bowl rings 
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Amazing isn't it! But no matter what, we gotta find out if Quinn is the man,, we just gotta... we can't let anderson get away until we know the answer to that question,,, Is Quinn the Man?
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On the subject of Derek Anderson, the front office has dropped the ball by not having him signed beyond this season.
Oh wait, they have the foresight to see what kind of talent a 2nd year 6th round draft choice has? They knew he would be the starter this year? What are U puffin on Mac? Thats totally ludicrus..so are you going to tell me in the games DA played last season he displayed this all-pro talent and lit up the [place? He didn't even beat out Frye in TC or preseason..the coaches liked him because his arm was stronger and he has better presnap reads.. Yeah blame them for him being a RFA NEXT season..that makes a lot of sense..
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He is a restricted free agent, so the Browns have some options.
I suspect that they make a "1st round" tender, and promise him the opportunity to compete for the job next year as the incumbent.
I think so.....and also let it be know we don't have to take the full compliment of picks...we would be willing to talk about compensation.
Some teams might not want to give up 2 picks for the guy, but would give up a single 1st rounder.
If we could parlay Anderson into a 1st round pick, that would work for me.
You would think the Dolphins would be one team who might rather have a qb with some experience rather than a rookie...their 1st rounder would work.
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j/c The funny thing is...this is playing out perfectly. We are competitive and even using the "P" word. Quinn is learning on the bench.  DA is a RFA after the season. So...either we (and he) gets a fair contract OR we get - at minimum - a day 1 pick for him...either through a direct trade or tender offer. Outside of two very good DL pickups next year, the DA situation at the end of this year very well may be the best thing going for us into the off-season. The Bengals got nothing for Kitna because he was a UFA/vet before going to Palmer...the Chargers got a good trade for Brees before going to Rivers because they could...if DA keeps this up, it is a good thing all around. I really cannot believe that I am typing about the possibility of getting something (maybe something valuable?) in a trade for Anderson.  What's next? RAC gets the defense under control during the bye week and we keep looking like a real team?  I don't know which one of these things fits me right now...but I like them all.  
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You would think the Dolphins would be one team who might rather have a qb with some experience rather than a rookie...their 1st rounder would work.
I was thinking Carolina would be a good fit.
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I was thinking Carolina would be a good fit.
they got Vinnie....He's good for another 10-15 years
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Who knows....I think we can still trade him today.
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Just when I thought this board couldn't get any dumber...you totally redeemed yourself!!!!
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This same topic came up on a Chicago-based sports talk show (Mac Jurko & Harry). Harry, the only one I acctually like, keep mentioning that the Bears need to drop Greisman (Grossman and Greise) and trade for Anderson since this is really Quinn's team in the future. I don't think he knew Anderson's RFA status but the point remains. If Derek keeps this pace up, there will be a lot of potential buyers in his market. We all hoped to have a Brees/Rivers situation with Frye/Quinn....which turned into Anderson/Quinn. Well, be careful what you wish for  .
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No matter the names, it is a good situation......as long as the guy we keep ends up at least a little better then the guy we trade.
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I just can't believe we let Anderson go - whether through a trade or not.
The team is competitive right now.
Breaking that up is a terrible mistake.
Who cares about the poster boy QB sitting on the bench when we are WINNING.
Isn't that what this game is supposed to be about? I thought wins would trump draft picks, but maybe not.
If DA proves himself this year, then it's time to consider TRADING QUINN. Not DA. Why on Earth would you trade a PROVEN QB and replace him with an UNPROVEN ROOKIE? There's a reason so many teams said No Thanks to BQ. I realize that DA wasn't a first rounder, but as we've seen at QB, there are a few gems out there in later rounds. Perhaps we did find ours. Savage saw something in DA while in Baltimore. BQ was mainly about hype.
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I haven't read all of the posts yet, but if this is the case, it would be almost exactly like the Drew Brees / Phillip Rivers situation in San Diego. Lets hope we can go 12-4 and into the playoffs like Brees did his last year as a Charger. 
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On the subject of Derek Anderson, the front office has dropped the ball by not having him signed beyond this season.
Oh wait, they have the foresight to see what kind of talent a 2nd year 6th round draft choice has?
They knew he would be the starter this year?
What are U puffin on Mac?
Thats totally ludicrus..so are you going to tell me in the games DA played last season he displayed this all-pro talent and lit up the [place?
He didn't even beat out Frye in TC or preseason..the coaches liked him because his arm was stronger and he has better presnap reads..
Yeah blame them for him being a RFA NEXT season..that makes a lot of sense..
HEY TACKER...try reading the next friggin sentence after the one you posted!!!!!
I'll make it easier for you...here.......
"On the subject of Derek Anderson, the front office has dropped the ball by not having him signed beyond this season.
Did the front office think Anderson would play like this...NOPE, none of us did therefore I'm not blaming anyone. This is just a situation that materialized when all the right pieces of the offense came together".
Tacker....adding a little context to the first sentence kind of gives a different meaning to the first sentence...YA THINK!
And don't forget my comments "one of my favorite sayings from past years...
"THE BROWNS CAN'T EVEN TELL WHAT KIND OF TALENT THEY HAVE ON OFFENSE UNTIL THEY PROVIDE AN OFFENSIVE LINE THAT CAN PROTECT QBS AND OPEN HOLES FOR RBS. IF A QB DOESNT HAVE TIME TO THROW, YOUR NOT GOING TO KNOW ABOUT THE WRS EITHER."
Now, what were beaching about tacker?.....WOOF, GRRR....MAC
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Without reading ANY other posts.. we sign him and we keep him.
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You do understand Common Sence & logic is not allowed here 
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You do understand Common Sence & logic is not allowed here
Where is the common sense and logic in that? If you sign DA, you're going to end up having to promise him the starting job, otherwise he'll sign his tender for a year and go elsewhere. He's not going to sign a long-term contract to lose his job to the heir-apparent and be a backup. If you sign him to be the starter, what do you do with Brady? You can't just waste that investment.
In an ideal world, DA is comfortable battling it out with Brady and if he loses, playing as backup for the next 8 years. In the REAL world, DA is going to want to start and will go to a team that can best guarantee him a job, which certainly isn't us unless we are comfortable sitting Brady forever or trading him and starting the incumbent DA (which never happens, it's always the other way around).
Things aren't nearly as cut and dry as you all are making it out to be. This isn't Madden - you can't just force someone to accept whatever contract and situation you want to give them.
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Dude go back and read it yourself..there's no distinction that showed me you didn't say the FO dropped the ball..U put in those quotation marks in your reply to me just now , but in that first post they aren't there.. So I read it thinking you were contradicting yourself or bailing yourself out.. so sue me! ..or flag me for being offsides!
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Agreed. No question we do whatever we can to keep him here. The guy is on pace to set the franchise record for touchdown passes in a season. Let me repeat that for some of you.
The guy is on pace to set the franchise record for touchdown passes in a season.
You don't just let that walk out the door. I'd rather him flop with us, then let him go and have him turn into the next Tom Brady. At least I could sleep well at night.
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So Savage saw the diamond Anderson was going to turn out to be, and fell for the Quinn hype anyway? 
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No need to franchise him, he's an RFA. I'd put the highest tender on him and listen to trade offers. If you can't trade him, or sign him to good enough deal, I'd go ahead, let him go into camp with tender pay and fight for Quinn for the job.
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Do not upset the apple cart. Do NOT do anything during the season. Let sleeping dawgs... sleep.
Anderson is great one week and horrible the next. Let's see how the season plays out. By the end of the season, we could be talking about DA having played so poorly that Quinn HAD to take the reigns. Or... he could come out and throw 23 TDs and 10 INTs over the next 10 games leading the Browns to 7 more victories.
The beauty is - he is a RFA. We have first shot at resigning him. We can match any offer. This is a great situation.
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So Savage saw the diamond Anderson was going to turn out to be, and fell for the Quinn hype anyway?
You do know that Lerner told him to get BQ, right? Well, if the owner says do it, you do it.
Whether he fell for the hype or sees a good prospect is irrelevant. We have a starting QB that is performing very well. You do not get rid of that for an unproven rookie.
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-what follows comes with a BIG caveat: that Derek Anderson continues the trend we've seen so far, and improves past his current skillset:
I think some of this might get determined by the team culture at season's end. There have been instances (NE Pats, for an example) where FA's have volutarily elected to stay where they are, rather than take da skrilla and run. I don't know DA, so I can't predict what he'd do with a sucessful season under his belt. He may want to take off to a promised starting job elsewhere, but then again, he seems to have found a place where the team is on a decided upswing- and where he's been shown some appreciation. (By the team/FO... jury's still out with you fans...)
The two most glaring needs this team has had since The Return are:
1. Quality/experience
2. Depth
To have DA on board next year kills both those birds with one stone, imho.
Keeping DA potentially solidifies a perennial problem position on this team. Lock him up for one year, let him duke it out with BQ in TC/preseason, and start the '08 campaign with some security at QB. Makes little sense to me to have DA prove his mettle this year, then dump him the next.
Even for a pick, I think we should keep him, and trust Savage to address our D problems the way he's addressed our OL.
Let's face it, Dawgs... we've rarely had this kind of problem. Sometimes, I think we've lived around dung for so long, we don't know how to respond to fresh air...
KEEP 'EM BOTH!!!
"too many notes, not enough music-"
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Anderson is great one week and horrible the next.
How can you say DA has been horrible? We should be 4-2 after playing 3 division opponents and the patriots. Outside of a missed field goal that has nothing to do with DA, he's been stellar overall. Has he made mistakes? of course he has. All QB's make mistakes.
And in case you are not quite sure how good DA has been:
Anderson has now thrown at least two touchdown passes in three consecutive starts and has 13 touchdown passes and two touchdown runs in five starts this season. For the season, Anderson has more touchdown passes than Donovan McNabb and Philip Rivers combined, and just as many as the Jay Cutler/Jeff Garcia/Jason Campbell buffet.
http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/football/ffl/story?page=InstantReplaywk6
Yeah, let's jump on the BQ rookie ship ASAP.
This is not fun winning. I hate watching the Browns be competitive.
Bring in the rookie!!!!
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what i'd do (given Anderson's season mirrors the first 5 starts)... sign him to the highest tender (~2.3 mill for 1 yr is not a problem with our cap space)...if(when) noone is willing to give a 1st and 3rd, we see what IS offered...if it's a 1st, i take it without hesitation...maybe an early 2nd... if noone offers a 1st or 2nd, then you keep him 1 year to compete for the 08 starting role...then, offer him a good backup QB contract...he won't take it, b/c someone will offer him starter $, BUT at that point, we may be looking at a significant compensatory pick for losing him... and all this is moot if (when) DA plays to realistic expectations in the second half of the season... 
Browns fans are born with it...
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You do know that Lerner told him to get BQ, right? Well, if the owner says do it, you do it.
I don't think anyone knows that for sure... I mean it wasn't in the papers (as if that makes it so) and I never heard in on TV (again as if that makes it so).
In fact, That I'm aware of, the only thing that Randy Lerner said publically about the last draft was to Ramona Robinson of Channel 3. She reported that Lerner wanted us to find a way to move up and take JaMarcus Russell..
Haven't heard one word about his telling Savage to take Quinn.. not ONE word!
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