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https://detroitnews.com/story/news/local...mer/5922301002/The FBI says it thwarted what it described as a plot to violently overthrow the government and kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, and federal prosecutors are expected to discuss the alleged conspiracy later Thursday. The alleged plot involved reaching out to members of a Michigan militia, according to a federal affidavit filed Thursday. "Several members talked about murdering 'tyrants' or 'taking' a sitting governor," an FBI agent wrote in the affidavit. "The group decided they needed to increase their numbers and encouraged each other to talk to their neighbors and spread their message." The affidavit was filed hours after a team of FBI agents raided a Hartland Township home Wednesday and comes amid an ongoing investigation into the death of a Metro Detroit man killed during a shootout with FBI agents. The conspiracy described by the FBI involved at least six people, including Ty Garbin, 24, whose home was raided by agents in Hartland Township late Wednesday. The affidavit filed in federal court details probable cause to charge the six men with conspiring to kidnap Whitmer. Those identified by name include: Adam Fox Barry Croft Garbin Kaleb Franks Daniel Harris Brandon Caserta Ages and hometowns for all six men were not immediately available. The investigation dates to early 2020 when the FBI learned through social media that individuals were discussing the violent overthrow of several state governments and law enforcement. In June, Croft, Fox and 13 others from multiple states held a meeting in Dublin, Ohio, near Columbus, according to the government. Those present included an FBI confidential source who recorded the meetings. The source has been paid $8,600. “The group talked about creating a society that followed the U.S. Bill of Rights and where they could be self-sufficient,” the FBI agent wrote. “They discussed different ways of achieving this goal from peaceful endeavors to violent actions. At one point, several members talked about state governments they believed were violating the U.S. Constitution, including the government of Michigan and Governor Gretchen Whitmer. “As part of that recruitment effort, Fox reached out to a Michigan-based militia group,” the agent added. The militia group is not identified in the court filing. The FBI was already tracking the militia in March after a local police department learned members were trying to obtain addresses of local law-enforcement officers, the FBI agent wrote. “At the time, the FBI interviewed a member of the militia group who was concerned about the group’s plans to target and kill police officers, and that person agreed to become a (confidential source),” the agent wrote In late June, Fox posted on Facebook a video in which he complained about the state’s judicial system and COVID-19 restrictions on gyms operating in Michigan. “Fox referred to Governor Whitmer as ‘this tyrant b----,’ and stated, ‘I don’t know, boys, we gotta do something,” according to the court affidavit. “You guys link with me on our other location system, give me some ideas of what we can do.” Whitmer's office did not immediately comment Thursday morning. Michigan Attorney Dana Nessel is set to join with state police, FBI officials and the U.S. attorneys from Detroit and Grand Rapids at 1 p.m. Thursday to announce "details of a major operation" and criminal charges. The criminal case comes after months of restrictions on travel and business during the COVID-19 pandemic. “The lockdown has been a lightning rod for anti-government extremists in this country, and Gov. Whitmer has been on the forefront of their targeting,” said Seamus Hughes, deputy director of George Washington University’s Program on Extremism. In recent weeks, the state-owned Michigan governor's residence received security upgrades, including the construction of a new perimeter fence. The "perimeter security and other safety upgrades" were planned out last year, Whitmer spokeswoman Tiffany Brown said in early September. They were scheduled to start in the early spring but were delayed until recently because of the pandemic, she said. The cost for the "maintenance" projects at the Lansing residence, which was recommended by the Michigan State Police and the state Department of Technology, Management and Budget, was about $1.1 million, Brown said. "As a matter of practice, we’re constantly reviewing security protocols and adjusting as needed," said Shanon Banner, spokeswoman for the Michigan State Police, in early September. "We don’t comment on specific threats against the governor nor do we provide information about security measures." Come back to www.detroitnews.com for more on this developing story. Staff Writers Craig Mauger and Christine Ferretti contributed.
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this makes me think of all the times throughout history that the fbi or law enforcement agency had to thwart right wing extremist from carrying out terrorist plots.
there was a situation a few years ago where they stopped a plot from some right wing people to kill a bunch of law enforcement officials, for example.
but i've said this before on the board: the only thing that keeps us from being the middle east is our government.
we got plenty of people in this country more than willing to act like middle eastern terrorist over their political views, and there's a reason the fbi and law enforcement are constantly having to send officers undercover to run surveillance on right wing groups, often leading to arrest and prevention of domestic terrorism.
remember, it wasn't BLM or antifa that blew up a federal building in oklahoma...
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Trump is complicit but his followers will never admit that. He calls them to act and then refuses to take blame.
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Trump should be added to the list of individuals who have been charged.
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Hopefully, the FBI gathered A LOT of intell as in this groups contacts with other groups or contacts in Washington DC that might have assisted in any way.
The name of this militia group is "wolverine watchmen".
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Trump should be added to the list of individuals who have been charged. That's a bit silly.... He falls far short of his ethical obligations to prevent violence against political opponents.... far short. He is not actively participating in a conspiracy to assassinate rivals.
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13 ARRESTED OVER PLOT TO KIDNAP GOV. GRETCHEN WHITMER AND INCITE A CIVIL WAR
Thirteen men are arrested including 7 members of right-wing Michigan militia Wolverine Watchmen over foiled plots to kidnap Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer and ‘incite a civil war’
Six people were arrested in a raid on Thursday morning over the alleged plot
They are Adam Fox, Barry Croft, Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris, Brandon Caserta and 24-year-old Ty Garbin
According to the FBI, they had been planning since June to ‘take a governor’
They plotted to kidnap Whitmer at her family’s vacation home in Michigan
The men practiced shooting, combat drills and even made their own explosives
They carried out surveillance at Whitmer’s vacation home in Michigan
Their plan was foiled by an FBI informant who they had tried to recruit to help
By Jennifer Smith For Dailymail.com
Published: 16:54 BST, 8 October 2020 | Updated: 18:24 BST, 8 October 2020
Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer was widely criticized for her strict lockdown rules that many said violated the Constitution because it stopped them from being able to work
Thirteen men have been arrested over two alleged plots to kidnap Michigan’s Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer and incite a ‘civil war’.
Six of the men were taken into custody in a raid on a house in suburban Detroit on Thursday morning. They have been named as Adam Fox, Barry Croft, Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris, Brandon Caserta and 24-year-old Ty Garbin.
The FBI says they conspired to kidnap Whitmer at her family’s vacation home in Michigan.
Another seven men have been charged by Attorney General Dana Nessell for allegedly plotting to overthrow governments, attack the Michigan State Capitol and incite a ‘civil war’.
Those seven men are members of a militia known as Wolverine Watchmen.
According to authorities, the first group of men started plotting in early June, carried out surveillance on her home and practiced shooting and combat drills.
They also tried to build their own explosives, according to the FBI affidavit.
The FBI discovered the plot through an informant who is also part of a known militia that the men tried to recruit from as part of a wider effort to ‘take’ the state capitol with 200 people.
Fox and Croft were the ringleaders, according to the affidavit.
Grab the f***** Governor. Just grab the b***h’
They ‘agreed to unite others in their cause’ to ‘overthrow’ multiple state governments that they believe are violating the US. Constitution’.
In one of the alleged meetings, he talked about kidnapping Whitmer as she made her way into her vacation home, and told one of the other men: ‘Grab the f***** Governor. Just grab the b***h’.’
The alleged plot began with a meeting where the men discussed forming their own ‘self-sufficient’ society in early June.
‘At one point, several members talked about state governments they believed were violating the US Constitution, including the government of Michigan and Governor Gretchen Whitmer,’ the FBI affidavit claimed.
The men then tried to recruit members of the Michigan militia group to help, the affidavit claims.
In one phone call that the FBI informant recorded on June 14, Fox said he needed 200 men to storm the Capitol building in Lansing and take hostages including the Governor.
He said they would ‘try the State Government for treason’ and that he would do all of this before the election.
On June 20, the men met at Fox’s store in Grand Rapids.
They held a meeting in the basement which was accessed through a trap door, hidden under a rug. Fox then made them all put their cell phones in a box which he took upstairs.
The FBI informant was wearing a wire.
The FBI were seen raiding the property in Detroit on Thursday morning. FBI agents filed their affidavit hours later.
Six people were arrested in the early morning raid, that was the result of information an informant who is infiltrated in the militia gave the Feds
At that meeting, the men discussed using ‘Molotov cocktails’ to attack police and take the Capitol Building.
They also discussed meeting again to practice firearms and tactical training.
On June 25, Fox live streamed a video on a closed Facebook group where he ranted about Whitmer, calling her a ‘tyrant b***h’.
He said: ‘I don’t know, boys, we gotta do something. You guys link with me on our other location system, give me some ideas of what we can do.’
On June 28, Fox, his girlfriend, Garbin, Franks and Caserta attended a training exercise in Munich, Michigan, at one of the Militia member’s houses.
Franks left afterwards. Fox, Garbin, Caserta and the informant remained. They were told to leave though if they did not want to participate in the attacks against the government and politicians.
Between July 10-12, the group attended a different training exercise in Wisconsin.
Whitmer was widely condemned in Michigan for enforcing a lockdown to stop the spread of COVID-19. Above, protesters on April 15 storming the state capitol with guns
They practices shooting and combat drills and, according to the FBI, some of them tried to build IEDs with ‘black powder, balloons, a fuse, and BB’s for shrapnel’.
‘They were faulty and didn’t detonate as planned but the attempted explosions were recorded on video.’
On July 18, some of the men met again in Ohio and discussed attacking a Michigan State Police facility. Garbin then discussed ‘shooting up’ Whitmer’s vacation home.
That day, he also said he did not want to go after the Capitol but was ‘cool’ with trying to kidnap her from her vacation home.
On July 27, Fox told the informant that their best chance of kidnapping Whitmer would be as she was arriving or leaving her vacation home or the Governor’s summer residence.
He said it was a ‘snatch and grab’, and told the informant: ‘Grab the f****n’ Governor. Just grab the b***h. Because at that point, we do that dude, — it’s over.’
They planned to then move her to a secure location in Wisconsin, where they would put her on ‘trial’ but they did not have a location in mind, and planned to use a realtor to find the safe house.
Whitmer was widely criticized for her tough lockdown rules in Michigan earlier this year.
There were widespread protests in the state by people who said they wanted the right to continue to work, including by some who stormed the state capitol with guns.
Her residence has received security updates in recent weeks.
On Thursday morning, three hours before the FBI announcement, Trump called Whitmer the ‘lockdown queen,’ having previously called her ‘that woman from Michigan.’
He told Fox Business News’ Maria Bartiromo: ‘I won Michigan, which hadn’t been won in decades and decades.
‘And we should win it again because I brought so much business there because she’s the lockup queen.
‘What she’s done to that, that place is horrible. She’s locked it up. She’s got people like living in prison. The courts just overturned her. They said what you’re doing is unconstitutional.’
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Yeah, they have crimes against inciting a riot. They have a law against inciting violence. But so far as I know I guess there's no law against inciting extremists go kidnap a governor.
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Yeah, they have crimes against inciting a riot. They have a law against inciting violence. But so far as I know I guess there's no law against inciting extremists go kidnap a governor. The laws against inciting violence are [wisely] extremely specific to "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio(EDIT: Warning, some racist language from the case files of Brandeburg v. Ohio are on the wiki page).
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...and what about black on black crime?! And Antifa?! And BLM?!!
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If trump wasnt in office this never would have happened.
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If trump wasnt in office this never would have happened. I mostly agree -- Trump is an agitator who constantly props up far-right lunatics.
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If trump wasnt in office this never would have happened. I mostly agree -- Trump is an agitator who constantly props up far-right lunatics. I don't think Trump had much to do with this. That Govenor was a [censored] lunatic who antagonized her state to a tremendous degree with her bad handling of the virus. They had it with her. Not that this was the appropriate response, but she went full dictator.
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This is truly awful. I can't stand Gretchen, but this is just despicable, and a new low. Trump needs to condemn this. He won't, but he needs to.
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This is truly awful. I can't stand Gretchen, but this is just despicable, and a new low. Trump needs to condemn this. He won't, but he needs to. Don't hold your breath .... Here's a Trump Campaign official already blaming Gretchen for the violence
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If trump wasnt in office this never would have happened. I mostly agree -- Trump is an agitator who constantly props up far-right lunatics. I don't think Trump had much to do with this. That Govenor was a [censored] lunatic who antagonized her state to a tremendous degree with her bad handling of the virus. They had it with her. Not that this was the appropriate response, but she went full dictator. I don't know the MI situation really well - what I was interested in was what % of the MI population was supporting whatever actions she took. I can't find that - but I did find an article in May suggesting she had strong support. https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/mich...id-19-pandemic/If there is a small or even large (but less than majority) of the MI population that doesn't agree with what she did ... then vote her out. And if not - a bit like Trump supporters said 4 years ago and may say again come November - shut up and figure out how to win the elections.
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If trump wasnt in office this never would have happened. I mostly agree -- Trump is an agitator who constantly props up far-right lunatics. I don't think Trump had much to do with this. That Govenor was a [censored] lunatic who antagonized her state to a tremendous degree with her bad handling of the virus. They had it with her. Not that this was the appropriate response, but she went full dictator. I don't know the MI situation really well - what I was interested in was what % of the MI population was supporting whatever actions she took. I can't find that - but I did find an article in May suggesting she had strong support. https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/mich...id-19-pandemic/If there is a small or even large (but less than majority) of the MI population that doesn't agree with what she did ... then vote her out. And if not - a bit like Trump supporters said 4 years ago and may say again come November - shut up and figure out how to win the elections. I agree. Vote her out if they have issue with her. It was all over the news. The people protesting in the streets there about her heavy handed approach.
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For months liberals ignore all the rioting and looting. Then this happens and liberals are suddenly all about law and order again. Interesting.
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For months liberals ignore all the rioting and looting. Then this happens and liberals are suddenly all about law and order again. Interesting.
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So the jackbooted militia thugs planned to kidnap and torture, maybe kill the governor of Michigan and deplorables are defending it... Murica.
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Of course they did. GOPers think a civil war will be easy and they will get the country to themselves after... They don't think about divided families, the fact they are outnumbered, or that the left has guns and BRAINS. They also seem to think the government and military will just stand by while the country tears itself apart in the streets... Dumber than hell.
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“Stand Back and Stand By” for more right wing white supremacy violence. But focus in on those peaceful protests for justice and equality you proud boys. Pfffft trump and his supporters always up for violence and murder.
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“Stand Back and Stand By” for more right wing white supremacy violence. But focus in on those peaceful protests for justice and equality you proud boys. Pfffft trump and his supporters always up for violence and murder. The only problem with your argument is that these militias have more of an antifa ideology than white supremacist. They're against tyrants/tyrrany, and fascism is a synonym of tyrrany. I don't think anyone on here is condoning the groups' plans. I think your trying to make this about white supremacy is another example of people putting agenda/ "party" over the truth. Yes, they were white, but their ideology was anti-fascist. Condemn it, sure, but call it what it is instead of trying to shoehorn it to fit your desired narrative.
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For months liberals ignore all the rioting and looting. Then this happens and liberals are suddenly all about law and order again. Interesting. Yet they didn't. Posters on this board and even Biden denounced the violence and criminal activity from the beginning. Yet your revisionist history sounds like something that gets repeated constantly.
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Still waiting for that travel ban on white males. Are you wanting to get out of going somewhere? If he wanted to do that all he would have to do is make the false claim that he had bone spurs.
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fascism is a synonym of tyrrany  Fascism: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition Autocrat government in which one person possesses unlimited power Big Gretch didn't seize all power. The state was able to use their democratic process to check the balance of power. She even let the angry people come in and larp with their guns. Not sure how any of her actions fit the factual definitions of tyranny, fascism, or oppression. As much as you have claimed about your intelligence in the past, I hoped you would actually understand the terms and comparisons you make. Next time, don't be like this guy. 
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