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Do you not think Anderson has upside??
I do think Anderson has upside, but it's limited. The part of the equation that I think has so many people excited about DA is his arm. However, having all the physical tools can only get you so far. When Anderson has all day to throw, he's fine IMO.
My two big issues with DA that I think limit his upside - his accuracy and the mental aspect of his game, both of which are very inconsistent.
DA baffles me in terms of accuracy. On some plays, he's able to place it perfectly in between four defenders and complete a pass that, if it's the slightest bit off, is intercepted. Other times, he'll overthrow a receiver by 5 yards or throw it a few yards behind a guy on a slant route. I don't see how you can cure a guy of inaccuracy issues when he clearly has the ability (that he'll demonstrate half the time) to put it on the money. Mechanical issues are much easier to fix than inconsistency like his, which is probably a mental thing.
Aspects of his game involving his football awareness are also very questionable. He stares down his receivers like crazy, but is given enough time in the pocket that it doesn't matter as much as it should. If he gets pressured and forces it to the guy he's staring down, that's when you start to see the turnovers pop up. In fact, he has to have had tunnel vision to make some of his throws this year when defenders he didn't see at all jumped the route and had an easy pick. He also has poor pocket presence - I've rarely seen him sense the blitz right by him... he usually looks like a deer in headlights, which is why he fumbles so much - if you aren't bracing for the hit because you can't feel it, the ball is coming out.
This is all without mentioning that DA throws one kind of pass well: long and down the left half of the field. I don't remember off-hand, but his QB rating from 1-10 yards splits to something awful like 50.0 and his rating throwing to either the right side of the field or right sideline is a ridiculous sub 45.0, which is probably the worst by a longshot for someone with his QB rating. He's thrown literally half of his touchdowns down the left sideline and his QB rating there is 150.0, which skews his stats to look legitimate (in contrast, he has 2 TDs to the right). What happens when that gets taken away by teams that know better? Again... something like that is most likely mental (since the physical adjustment to throw from the left to the right sideline can't account for 110 points of rating difference). The same thing goes with those death bullets he throws in the flat... if he hasn't learned by now how to throw a touch pass, will he ever?
IMO, right now, DA's flaws are being minimized by great protection and quality receiver play. When those pieces falter, he seems to as well. That's why IMO DA was so good in OTAs (where no pressure exists) and so bad in the pre-season where the pressure was put on a line that hadn't gelled yet.
I'm not saying DA can't be a decent quarterback but I'm not seeing this superstardom some people are pegging him for already. The mental aspect is a HUGE part of the game and I personally believe it's even more important than the physical side. That's what I think Brady provides over DA and that's why I still see him as our future.
Of course, this could just be me, but something seems very off about DA's performance thus far. As I've said in another thread, this seems more Holcomb than Brady to me, in that it's not so much that he's developing into a star as he is benefitting from teams not exposing (or teams not good enough to expose) his weaknesses yet.
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I do think Anderson has upside, but it's limited.
That's your opinion right?
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I do think Anderson has upside, but it's limited.
That's your opinion right?
Obviously.
I certainly think more of Anderson than I used to... I never thought he'd be able to overcome any of his mental shortcomings and that he'd be of no use to us at all. I used to think he stunk because all I had to go on was his awful pre-season and a few mediocre games last year where he rarely showed a glimpse of "Good Derek". Now, I think he's proven that he can be a spot starter and a fair backup. That still doesn't mean I buy all this hype surrounding him right now though... I just can't after watching every game before Miami. He's not what people are making him out to be IMO, which is a starting QB in this league.
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DA baffles me in terms of accuracy. On some plays, he's able to place it perfectly in between four defenders and complete a pass that, if it's the slightest bit off, is intercepted. Other times, he'll overthrow a receiver by 5 yards or throw it a few yards behind a guy on a slant route. I don't see how you can cure a guy of inaccuracy issues when he clearly has the ability (that he'll demonstrate half the time) to put it on the money. Mechanical issues are much easier to fix than inconsistency like his, which is probably a mental thing.
It's timing..even at the lowest level of football a QB is taught to throw the ball just before the reciever breaks into the route so the pass is there..he holds it a tad longer..
The other thing which explains your confusion..is touch..ever notice he doen't throw short , his passes when off are either too long or TOO HIGH..
That is a lack of control/touch....he hasn't learned to take something off his velocity..
He also has poor pocket presence - I've rarely seen him sense the blitz right by him... he usually looks like a deer in headlights, which is why he fumbles so much - if you aren't bracing for the hit because you can't feel it, the ball is coming out.
This is easy..when he prelocks onto WR , thats all he sees, he gets tunnel vision..when he has to look off he sees the pressure..
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The Texans gave up a 2nd rounder for Shaubb, and he had far less ???s about him than DA does at this point.
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The Texans gave up a 2nd rounder for Shaubb, and he had far less ???s about him than DA does at this point.
He did?
Cuz last I heard, Schaub only started 3 games before Houston traded for him.
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I think alot of it has to do with his foot work to imo. When he sets his feet he's fairly accurate, but the problem comes when he trys to throw on the run or doesn't set his feet...........he can't throw on the run at all. This means if you have an OL that let's him set back there and have all day long he can be effective.......as we've seen. The least bit of pressure though, and he'll get exposed.
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Yep and Shaubb didn't lead the NFl in picks in those 3 games the way DA does now. You folks act like DA's game against the Fish was the norm, but it wasn't........it was the exception. DA has ???s about his accuracy and decison making and the film won't lie on that. Shaubb didn't have those ???s
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Well my biggest beef is the factor of him prelocking onto a route/WR and just throwing it without reading the coverage...
DB's luv that type of QB , they can just disguise their drops and roll over to the area he's going to.
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That is true... DA is awful on the run. Then again, he's pretty much a lead footed pocket passer, so I wouldn't expect anything different.
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That's his biggest problem imo as well.......decision making. The thing is though bro, you can possibly fix that ( I doubt it, but it's doable), but you cannot fix his inability to throw accurately on the run or scrambling at all for that matter. This is why I agree with spectre and say his upside is limited.
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It's not just he can't run or scramble, but it's the fact he can't be remotely accurate unless he's got all day long to throw with zero pressure. I've watched the last 2 games to see the difference, and the biggest thing I noticed was his feet. When he sets them he's fairly accurate, but when he get's any pressure and tries to move those feet he's done.
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His squaring up while running isn't fixable..thats the way his body is made , so he just needs to throw in down into the turf... If he can stop with the presnap lock on the route I can live with the other.. In that regard Frye could throw off the run but could not stand in the pocket and throw into all the pass patterns..  But we're talking about a project QB..not a long term answer.
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It's not just he can't run or scramble, but it's the fact he can't be remotely accurate unless he's got all day long to throw with zero pressure. I've watched the last 2 games to see the difference, and the biggest thing I noticed was his feet. When he sets them he's fairly accurate, but when he get's any pressure and tries to move those feet he's done.
Right, that goes back to what I said earlier - our line has given him outstanding protection thus far which doesn't let his weaknesses show through, because a lot of them get thrust right into the spotlight when he has to make quick decisions, escape pressure and throw, etc.
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just clicking...
Nothing but a gut feeling here, but I think RAC and Savage and Chud and Co. are all sitting back and licking their chops right now.
They are seeing what DA is doing with this offense and thinking that BQ can take it to a whole new level.
I found some of RAC's comments in his Oct. 15th press conference interesting. They asked him what he expected to see of Quinn if he got in. It was imperceptible, but I think RAC was glowing inside. Spoke highly of his leadership too.
I think DA has played great, but I think Spectre and BigWillieStyle are right on this one.
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Cool,, cause if you had a new way of quantifying that,, you dang well better share it 
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Nothing but a gut feeling here, but I think RAC and Savage and Chud and Co. are all sitting back and licking their chops right now.
They are seeing what DA is doing with this offense and thinking that BQ can take it to a whole new level.
I found some of RAC's comments in his Oct. 15th press conference interesting. They asked him what he expected to see of Quinn if he got in. It was imperceptible, but I think RAC was glowing inside. Spoke highly of his leadership too.
I think DA has played great, but I think Spectre and BigWillieStyle are right on this one.
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I hope you're right.
I know DA is no complete all-world stud, but I have to give credit where credit is due. He's putting up many TD passes and we're scoring a ton of points.
I do believe if this were *#1 overall 1999 QB's name here*, an overwhelming majority would make him the toast of the town.
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It's not just he can't run or scramble, but it's the fact he can't be remotely accurate unless he's got all day long to throw with zero pressure. I've watched the last 2 games to see the difference, and the biggest thing I noticed was his feet. When he sets them he's fairly accurate, but when he get's any pressure and tries to move those feet he's done.
We don't need him to run or scramble, we need him to set his feet and throw, and as it turns out that is what he does well. The difference in the two games you mention is the fact that when he was in trouble in one game he threw into coverage, the other game he threw the ball away when he was in trouble. NFL QB's don not generally make plays running around like idiots. They learn to throw the ball away when the defense has won.
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What it means is you have to have ALOT of talent around DA for your O to be successfull. You have to have an OL that can give him all day to set his feet properly............a RB to take the pressure off.............and WRs to make incredible catches on some of his poorly thrown balls. We have all of that, and he can look great in stretches because of it. However, when a GM is determining whether to give up a high pick for him they are going to look at the tape and disect his weaknessess and determine his upside is limited. You hit the nail on the head bro, he isn't someone like Shuabb or Hasselback who had GMs drooling to give up a 1st or 2nd.............mainly becuase of his limited upside.
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I know DA is no complete all-world stud, but I have to give credit where credit is due. He's putting up many TD passes and we're scoring a ton of points.
To take it a step further, he is not costing us games, the guy has played well enough to win 4 out of 5 starts. The one he did not play well enough to win was against a pretty darn good team on the road!
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we need him to set his feet and throw, and as it turns out that is what he does well
Actually, he is horrible at it, and that was my point. When he get's any pressure he doesn't set his feet and trouble occurs. He got all day against the Fish on his throws and the results were there.
I'm not saying his decision making wasn't MUCH better against the Fish, becasue it was. However, the reason he was hitting KW/BE in stride instead of 3 foot behind them had everything to do with the fact he had all day for the most part to sit back and set his feet.
Watch the game bro, his accuracy problems are much more a result of his ability/inability to have his feet set when throwing than anything. Some guys can do that (Favre) some can't.
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A 6'6" QB with a big arm who has less than a dozen starts who is leading the Cleveland Browns to the 4th best offense in the leauge. I think there are some teams who may think he has some upside. The same thing was sadi about Drew Brees. Look he is not a HOF but, he has a good amount of upside, and there will be a GM or coach in this league who thinks if this guy can do that with the browns, already has 20+ starts (by the end of the year), has a big arm and is still young, great size......They will say, we can turn that guy into a star.
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I've seen a game or two. When he sets his feet he is a good passer, that is what i said. When he can not set his feet, he needs to throw the ball away.
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What it means is you have to have ALOT of talent around DA for your O to be successfull.
Funny how we have ALOT of talent around now. I am not trying to argue the fact that BQ is the future, but to discredit all that DA has done int eh last five is silly.
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How do you think he's accomplished what he has?
Just his own abilities , or is the supporting cast the real factor?
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He'll find work, probably as a starter too. Even if the Browns tender and tag him, he could go several places...
Carolina
Atlanta
Minnesota
Kansas City
Chicago
Or the really zinger would be if Baltimore tried to bring him back.
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I think it is a combination of his abilities and the abilities of his supporting cast. If Chuck was our QB we would have 15+ sacks. It is a combination of the QB understading the defense and the OLine playing better which has resulted in more time for passing, and as for the recievers....Well it's the same core we had last year?? Dropcutt is probably better than Carter is about all. The RB's about the same as last year...and the year before. LIke I said the guy is not a HOF, but he is doing and good job. No upside is a bit of a stretch, I think he is every bit as good as matt schuab.
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I think he is every bit as good as matt schuab.
He has nowhere near the short to intermediate accuracy that Schaub has. Anderson needs to bomb it out, he doesn't do well with touch passes.
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I think it is a combination of his abilities and the abilities of his supporting cast. It's more of the Oline being capable of protecting him and his receivers running precise routes and making great catches.. DA's throws are not all clean throws..the recievers have to adjust to the high throws.. the OLine playing better which has resulted in more time for passing, and as for the recievers....Well it's the same core we had last year?? Where u been? This isn't the same unit as last year  The recievers have matured but they already had talent.. The RB's about the same as last year...and the year before   Rueben Droughns was shipped out and Lewis is the new back this year..the other backs get spot duty..
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If Chuck was our QB we would have 15+ sacks.
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It's more of the Oline being capable of protecting him and his receivers running precise routes and making great catches..
DA's throws are not all clean throws..the recievers have to adjust to the high throws..
They did not look capable in that first half against Pitt. And not all of the sudden we are running precise routes? They are running precise routes beuase they actually think that they may get a ball thrown thier way.
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The recievers have matured but they already had talent..
All grown up over night, or should I say after one half. They are better becuase their talents are being utilized both by the system and the QB.
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Rueben Droughns was shipped out and Lewis is the new back this year..the other backs get spot duty..
The last two game were Jason Wright. JLew has mad a difference in one game. I mean a difference in numbers....Now he has made a difference in leadership and attitude, but so has our QB.
It has been a team effort on offense but DA has been a big part of it.
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If Chuck was our QB we would have 15+ sacks.
Oh boy...I hope you brought a shield because I can hear the firestorm coming as we speak...
Just glad to have a QB who can see. 
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They are running precise routes beuase they actually think that they may get a ball thrown thier way.
They like any other good reciever knows what their job is..plus the receiver coach Wes Chandler was a ALL-PRO..U think he's going to allow these guys to not put forth 100%?? We have a better RB who has a chip on his shoulder for being let go..since this oline can block thats a plus..
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They are running precise routes beuase they actually think that they may get a ball thrown thier way.
They like any other good reciever knows what their job is..plus the receiver coach Wes Chandler was a ALL-PRO..U think he's going to allow these guys to not put forth 100%??
The coach can't force Braylon or K2 to run every route at 100%. And he sure can't bench either of them... so...
Yes, he can allow them to put forth good effort, most downs.
There's no other options.
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I agree, but it also has to do with having more faith in our QB, they think that he is going to get them the ball.
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Name me 2 games he's done this in consistantly??? I can name 1 (against the Fish), but give me 2 games........ I am going to enjoy this Attack...hehhe 
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Guys... DA has torched the Bengals defense, the Dolphins defense, and the Ravens defense.
He played poorly against the Raiders and Patriots.
So against good defenses he is 1-2.
We need to see what we saw against the Dolphins (Amazing decision making and spot on passes, willing to throw the ball away.) Against the better teams.
If Anderson can string together 2-4 good games in a row, then we should start talking him up!
I will be the first to admit I have been one of those "PUT QUINN IN" guys all year, and I am VERY happy that DA shut me up, but I want to see him do it for more than one week in a row!
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I am guessing you mean win, becuase that is really all i care about....And I have already stated that he has played well enought to win 4 of the 5 starts he has made.
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The coach can't force Braylon or K2 to run every route at 100%.
Apparently U don't understand..our previous WR coach didn't seem to get the most out of those guys..
Why have they improved under WC and not Robiskie?
Maybe because what I heardm was true..that he got on them and challenged them to run precise routes..do things the way the team wants them to not the half arse way they were doing it before..
I credit him for their improvements.
Before that we saw no improvements in our recievers..thats not a fluke.
Putting forth 100% means you put everything you have into your job..running better routes , actually improving your pass catching techniques..actually block downfield..
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Look he is not a HOF but, he has a good amount of upside, and there will be a GM or coach in this league who thinks if this guy can do that with the browns, already has 20+ starts (by the end of the year), has a big arm and is still young, great size......They will say, we can turn that guy into a star.
I hope your right, but you also got to believe DA will limit the INTs like he did against the Fish, and play most of the season like he did against the worst team in the NFL. However, if we see DA play like he did in every other game besides the Fish then we MIGHT get a 2nd or possibly a 3rd out of him at season's end, and I don't give a crap how many TDs and Yds he has. GMs aren't stupid and they watch film and disect a guys weakness before giving up a 1st rounder for a guy.
DA has played decent so far in his stint as QB, but to say we are going to get a 1st rounder out of a kid who is consistantly inconsistant, makes horrid decisions, and has shown he MUST be stationary with NO pressure to be accurate then you know SQUAT about football..........it will not happen.
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