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If RAC had his way Chuck would be QB and Mo would still be calling plays, and everything would be fine in RACs eyes.
In a perfect world, so do I... but not for the reasons you think Peen...
If Chuck were the undisputed QB and Mo were still here and doing a good job, then we would be much further along than we are in the development of the Offense..
So yeah, I wish everything had worked out...
But it didn't,, so we move on,,, I'm sure RAC has done the same..
And please don't come back to me with "if Mo and Charlie were still here, we would still stink".. Clearly, that's not the thinking because they aren't and we don't..
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LOL Impossible,, you wouldn't know how to keep your hands out of the pie! 
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I still think much of the credit gos to Chud's game plan and calling #1 , and a real " OL " for the first time in an century That is correct..the things that most overlook is the fact that type of weaknesses DA has are bandaided by having a improved Oline and a recieving core that has matured..oh and the play calling is light years from the mess that was being called before  Now when we face a defense that is pressure oriented , watch to see how DA reacts to it..NE exposed him...and the next tougher tests are going to come from Pukesburgh/Bmore/Seattle...
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Now when we face a defense that is pressure oriented , watch to see how DA reacts to it..NE exposed him...and the next tougher tests are going to come from Pukesburgh/Bmore/Seattle...
Don't know how fair it is to say NE exposed DA when they make teams and players look bad all the time.
But,..at the same time,..let's hope he grew from that experience.
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They do a good job of shutting everybody down.
When you actually look at it....Anderson played as well or better against them as anyone else.
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What I observed about them is what I predicted they would do to him...which wasn't hard..DA will lock onto a route/WR and not look off the corner/FS..
It played right into their hands..they put pressure on him made him roll out several times and throw into the rotating coverage...
Hence the tips and int's...
Had he had enough sense to look off the routes and throw the ball away or go through his checkdowns the results would have been more posititve.
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Here's what we say on the bargaining table for teams who look at DA...
"Look at what the Texans gave up for Matt Schaub, look at what the Dolphins gave up for AJ Feeley, look at what the Dolphins gave up for an injured Daunte Culpepper with question marks about his health. You have more film on DA than Schaub and AJ Feeley combined, and we're not trying to sell you an injured commodity here. The results speak for itself. I think we deserve a first round pick. Keep in mind we're taking as big of a risk as you are if not bigger, we don't know for sure what Brady Quinn will do."
Is it likely? Probably not, but I wouldn't complain about an early second and third rounder, maybe with a 4th thrown in for good measure.
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No sir after this season we can get a FIRST ROUND PICK PLUS another pick for D.A.!!!!
Absolutely a wonderful situation to be in.
I think we keep him around another season to allow Quinn a challenge while learning. The future is bright
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I don't think there is even a reson to talk about this right now. I've been supporting DA ever since he got the starting call but no one can say for sure how the rest of the year turns out. Let's say it goes best case scenario DA keeps improving and the D starts playing a little better, we go 10-6 and make the playoffs. DA finishes the year with a rating of around 90 maybe a little more maybe a little less. That is a VERY good first full year. Who's to say we trade him? Who's to say we don't give him the job going into camp. After all in most places where the team makes the playoffs and the Q.B. is a big reason why they went there normally isn't a controversy. So why unfairly put Derek in that spot. If he flat out earns the job this year he earns the job. As for Quinn in this situation look buddy you shouldn't have HELD OUT that long and you would have been the starter from day one PERIOD! I was as big an advocate of drafting Quinn as anyone and I still think he is going to be a very very good Q.B. but if Anderson is going to be a very good Q.B. also then why change it up. You can tell Braylon, Kellen, Joe, and everyone else is really behind him and I don't see how you can't like the guy. But all this is negated if DA falters down the stretch. If that happens I say take a mid to late round pick for him (or let him leave) and start Quinn. If there is one thing I don't want it's a Q.B. controversy. So if DA does falter (I don't think he will) then let him go on his way wish him the very best, thank him for everything then insert Brady. Controversies just put too much pressure on Q.B.s and it wouldn't be fair for either of them. And besides Dorsey is good enough of a mentor to be Brady's teaching influence. \ Either way we have to wait till the end of the year to decide what to do with DA. Why make a distraction out of this now? I for one am all for giving DA every chance to earn this job. When he's on he makes plays that very few qb's have the ability to make. And besides good DA bad DA can be pretty exciting even if it's mind numbing at times, and since when don't Browns fans embrace crazy football games? Nothing like giving that heart a little excercise 
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let's say we're in the preseason of '08 and everything has happened as it has so far in '07 but for rhetorical sake, there was a strike or whatever that wiped out the rest of the '07 season...
DA HEAT or BQ? training camp battle, trade or status quo?
if this needs moved, so be it. I just wanted to know where people were on this. Call it stirring up the pot or trolling but I am intrigued as to what BQ can do but I'm excited the more and more I see DA HEAT play, and I want to know what others think of this so far. It's a wonderful problem to have, isn't it?
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Franchise tag DA, and he starts the year as our starter. If DA can play at the level he's playing at this year, next year. Give up Brady Quinn.
That's what I would do.
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I'm not trying to take too much away from DA because he has made some great decisions and tough throws but I give more credit to the supporting cast. I think Tim Couch would have excelled as a rookie in this offense and would have played great football for years. I also think Quinn will be a star in this offense. So to answer your question, I would try to trade Anderson while his stock is high to a team that doesn't realize why he is having success.
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Charlie Frye. Should have kept him.  Obviously I'm kidding. Well, I'm all for winning. If it's Joe frickin' Schmoe sitting back there throwing the rock and winning us games, then let Joe Schmoe be the starter. If Anderson would take us to the playoffs and next year is dead even, you might give the edge to DA. Winning is all the matters. I was talking about this during the game today. I hope the issue resolves itself. Remember, DA is a RFA next year. If we offer him a nice tender, teams will have to compensate us with I believe a 1st and 3rd rounder. Pretty steep. I know there will be teams interested if he plays the second half of the year like he is now. If we get compensated pretty well for him, then let him go, put in Brady, and make the most of your draft picks. Maybe then we'll have a defensive line that can do their job. JMO.
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We have to take a huge gamble here. There is no assurance that BQ is the one or will even come close to his draft billing, let alone his early mock levels. No assurance whatsoever!
If we believe in BQ, the FO and especially the coaches that he will be as good if not better than what we have in DA, we tender DA at the second round pick level. We get something for him while we can instead of the Brees situation where they got nothing.
I have to be frank, I'm starting to be impressed with DA. I think he is getting better. He's having less brain farts out there and learning when to use his cannon and when to put some touch on the ball. Today really got me thinking about what we might be giving up to not sign him longterm.
We've wanted not a great but a solid qb for some time and DA looks like that solution. Question is could BQ be daylights better?
And none of us will or can answer that quandry. To be honest, it's a little scary but a great problem to have, especially watching Dilfer, Holcumb and Garcia all stink it up today.
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There is no assurance that BQ is the one or will even come close to his draft billing, let alone his early mock levels. No assurance whatsoever!
Good point. There have been plenty of QB's to go in the 1st round who ended up terrible. This is the best the Browns offense has been in awhile so keep it rolling while it's rolling.
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Franchise tag DA, and he starts the year as our starter. If DA can play at the level he's playing at this year, next year. Give up Brady Quinn.
That's what I would do.
Franchise tag is a pretty steep price to pay. Maybe we could offer him a top tender ... 1,268,000 First refusal and first & third round picks
That would be a better idea.
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I hate to lose...
but I'm really glad the Steelers game played out the way it did... otherwise Frye would still be here, and chances are we wouldn't be above 0.500.
As far as if I had to choose now... I would say Anderson. EASILY! The offense has so much confidence right now its crazy.
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Franchise tag is a pretty steep price to pay. Maybe we could offer him a top tender ... 1,268,000 First refusal and first & third round picks
That would be a better idea.
Is Anderson a RFA? I thought he was going to be a UFA?
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Ok, then forget a franchise tag. A top tender is the best solution, obviously. I was thinking he was going to be an UFA.
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It's DA's job until he proves otherwise.
You keep playing well, you keep playing.
Simple as that.
How in the world can you fix something...
If you don't know how it's supposed to work?
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I just tried to check but couldn't find it. He is not on the list from KFFL (big suprise).
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Franchise tag DA, and he starts the year as our starter. If DA can play at the level he's playing at this year, next year. Give up Brady Quinn.
That's what I would do.
Franchise tag is a pretty steep price to pay. Maybe we could offer him a top tender ... 1,268,000 First refusal and first & third round picks
That would be a better idea.
U CANNOT Tag a RFA...And even if u could there's no way in hell we're giving Anderson over 8M in salary for 1 year...PLEASE...
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The next highest ($2.017 million) assures them a first-round pick. Then there's a new tender to merit a second-round pick ($1.417 million). The minimum tender ($927,000) nets a pick in the sixth round, which is the round Anderson was taken by Baltimore in 2005.
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We're setting ourselves up for a decent situation but there's 9 things left to do...
The last 2 games have seen Anderson significantly decrease those STUPID ASS tosses...He's slingin' the rock into some tight places that he really SHOULD NOT BE DOING...Yeah they get caught for the most part but he won't get away with that crap against Baltimore and Pitt...
U guys can get all ga-ga over him beating 2 teams a combined 0-16 all u want...We MUST see the rest of the season to determine where Anderson sits...Hopefully the confidence and better decisions he's making carry over...WE SHALL SEE...
If it does we're in SUPER shape for 08 with or without him...
We may just be able to get our 1st rounder back...And hit the problem on this team...DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!
We may just KEEP him also...And that ain't a bad thing either...I IN NO WAY AM 100% CERTAIN BOTH DA AND QUINN WON'T BE HERE IN 2008...U gotta have a capable #2 QB in this league...
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No team is going to invest a 1st rounder on him, and Opie isn't going to be dumb enough to hit him with that lower tender. Once real pro's start disecting the film on Derek, they'll see how Winslow and Edwards have been bailing him out.
Agreed on beating two winless teams.
He's made far greater strides than I ever thought he could, but abusing bad teams while getting beaten up by good ones doesn't make him a first round value to another team. When one considers that this upcoming draft is going to be filled with viable QB candidates, I don't think that Anderson is this super-hot comodity.
How about we wait until Anderson plays these next three games to judge his value, because to this point, he's played exactly ONE real team, and threw three picks in that contest.
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No team is going to invest a 1st rounder on him, and Opie isn't going to be dumb enough to hit him with that lower tender. Once real pro's start disecting the film on Derek, they'll see how Winslow and Edwards have been bailing him out.
Agreed on beating two winless teams.
He's made far greater strides than I ever thought he could, but abusing bad teams while getting beaten up by good ones doesn't make him a first round value to another team. When one considers that this upcoming draft is going to be filled with viable QB candidates, I don't think that Anderson is this super-hot comodity.
How about we wait until Anderson plays these next three games to judge his value, because to this point, he's played exactly ONE real team, and threw three picks in that contest.
LOL...Didn't u know I've been accused of being Diams twin or something like that...LMAO...
I'm witcha...Problem is these guys go ga-ga over these 125+ QB Ratings he's throwin' up against CRAP D's...
IF by some miracle he plays like this the rest of the year there WILL be a team ready to bite that 1st rounder...U can bank on that but I seriously doubt it happens because of what u just said...ONE good team...THREE picks...That won't win squat in the NFL especially when your defense isn't good enuff to bail your ass out...
Seattle/Pitt & Baltimore will tell us ALOT...NOT Miami and St Louis...
BTW...Brey's blowin' my mind with some of the catches he's making...UNREAL!!!!!!!!!!
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DA didn't make up the schedule he just gets to play it. I can't think of a QB that has done better in recent memory then DA, "IF" one chooses to look at how much game experience he has. I won't mention that he has taken a sub par offense and turned it into something that is if nothing else is entertaining, and very competitive..
Yes he needs to improve against the better teams but you have to start somewhere, and to that end nobody can be dissapointed with his play at this juncture, all things being concidered. Yes he has chewed up some sub par D's he is suppose to, and I expect him to.
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Yes he has chewed up some sub par D's he is suppose to, and I expect him to.
There ya' go...READ THAT...
Some will have difficulty...And it's difficult...To segregate the solid D's from the Scrub D's...
It's a major step in evaluating a QB's play...
It's SUPERB that we're winning...And to think we're a TO away from 5-2 is CRAZY...THIS team 5-2???...Unthinkable as it was it's damn near a given except that BS TO...
DA's playing extremely well right now...Hope the experience helps him continue the next 3 weeks...
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No team is going to invest a 1st rounder on him, and Opie isn't going to be dumb enough to hit him with that lower tender. Once real pro's start disecting the film on Derek, they'll see how Winslow and Edwards have been bailing him out.
Agreed on beating two winless teams.
He's made far greater strides than I ever thought he could, but abusing bad teams while getting beaten up by good ones doesn't make him a first round value to another team. When one considers that this upcoming draft is going to be filled with viable QB candidates, I don't think that Anderson is this super-hot comodity.
How about we wait until Anderson plays these next three games to judge his value, because to this point, he's played exactly ONE real team, and threw three picks in that contest.
I wouldn't talk against DA commanding the highest tender compensation. Especially if he keeps playing the way he is (not saying he will).
Think of how much a guy like Schaub commanded on the market, and teams have much more film and numbers on DA than they did Schaub.
If a team is stupid/crazy enough to give a second rounder to a team for AJ Feeley and an injured Daunte Culpepper, who's to say a first and third for a healthy Derek Anderson (who is on his way to making the PRO BOWL) is out of the question?
My nightmare scenario is we tender him with intention of keeping him rather than trading him, and someone makes an offer with a poison pill clause. On one hand, I'd be excited to have what's probably a high first round pick to work with, on the other hand...I never thought I'd be saying this after pimping him so hard over summer...do we really wanna rest our QB hopes solely on Brady Quinn when we know we have a guy we can win with at this point in time?
Too many people are putting stock in this "Quinn is definitely our future" talk...and I have a Quinn jersey. DA is turning my head, I don't care what the teams records are we've faced. Outside of the Tom Brady circus...DA's been the most entertaining QB to watch in the NFL.
EDIT: Also throw in the weak QB class this year...why would you wanna take a risk on a 1st round rookie QB and wait for him to develop, when you have a "proven" (at this point) commodity who has shown he can get it done in the NFL?
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Franchise tag DA, and he starts the year as our starter. If DA can play at the level he's playing at this year, next year. Give up Brady Quinn.
That's what I would do.
Franchise tag is a pretty steep price to pay. Maybe we could offer him a top tender ... 1,268,000 First refusal and first & third round picks
That would be a better idea.
I'll betcha that's what happens. It wouldn't surprise me to see someone cough it up, either. The best thing for the Browns would be if we could keep him for another year just in case Quinn goes Kaboom. We could very well be a legitimate playoff contender next year and it would be a good thing to have an offense that is loaded for bear.
Quinn is likely going to turn out to be the real deal. We will need to address the number two quarterback position somehow but I think Anderson may be too pricey for that role. It's a great problem to have for next year.
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Just out of curiosity who are these Viable QB candidates you speak of?
While were at this discussion, Hey refs can you guys open up the draft forum, so we can get on to the real part of the season.....I mean I am just saying if it's inevitable that DA is going to throw three picks against everybody who has more than 0 wins and we are going to for sure lose the rest of our games...Can't we just get on to the draft.. 
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NRTU.. Thought this was interesting to look at and consider what we might face.... http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3084852Sorgi's future more secure with three-year deal By Len Pasquarelli October 29, 2007, 7:36 AM ET Despite his scant playing time, Indianapolis coaches and officials have always held Jim Sorgi in high regard, demonstrating this even moreso by retaining their backup to Peyton Manning through the 2010 season. Sorgi, 26, signed a three-year contract extension over the weekend. Financial details were not yet available. "It's nice to have some security," Sorgi said following a mop-up stint in the Colts' 31-7 victory over the Carolina Panthers, in which he completed one of two passes for nine yards. "It's a good situation for me." A fourth-year veteran, Sorgi would have been eligible for unrestricted free agency next spring without an extension. Under the one-year restricted free agent qualifying offer that Sorgi signed this spring, his base salary for 2007 was $850,000. It is not known if that was affected by the new deal. The former University of Wisconsin quarterback was the Colts' sixth-round choice in the 2004 draft, and he has served as Manning's backup ever since. Manning's iron man streak of 151 straight regular-season starts have relegated Sorgi to Maytag Repairman status, but Colts coaches have always had confidence in him. Counting his Sunday appearance -- he replaced Manning with 9:40 remaining in the game -- Sorgi has played in 11 games. He has completed 60 of 92 passes for 628 yards, with five touchdown passes and one interception. His most extensive action came in late-season games in 2005 and 2006, when Indianapolis had already secured a playoff berth and Manning worked only a series or two before leaving the games. In a Christmas Eve 2004 game against Seattle, Sorgi completed 22 of 31 passes for 237 yards. The extension for Sorgi not only provides him some security, but also means that finding a capable backup quarterback is not something with which Indianapolis officials must concern themselves. The team has four starters -- free safety Bob Sanders, tight end Dallas Clark and guards Jake Scott and Ryan Lilja -- who are in the final seasons of their contracts and who could become unrestricted free agents next spring. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wonder what he got for the 3 years and what level was the RFA offer last year ?
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DA didn't make up the schedule he just gets to play it.
I can see it now... some GM debating trading for DA is in the office looking at his stat sheets, film and splits and realizes he's only beaten cupcakes, but then he says "DA didn't make up the schedule he just gets to play it." and deals his first and third off.
'Toad isn't arguing that DA hasn't done a good job pummeling the league's punching bags, but rather, that the fact that he has says little for his value and future performance against competitive defenses. At this point right now, do you think a GM is going to be coaxed into giving up a high pick (especially in such a QB heavy class) for a guy whose wins this year are against teams with a 6-24 combined record, three of whom have given up 92, 100 and 102 QB ratings on average to opposing QBs? They're going to want to see more, 'Toad wants to see more, I want to see more, and it makes perfect sense.
I'm thankful of our performance thus far but beating the teams we're supposed to is only one part of the equation.
We're... we're good?
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And Tom Brady has beaten teams with a combined 24-35 record.
Tony Romo has beaten such luminaries as Miami .... St Louis .... Buffalo ...... Minnesota .... Chicago ..... but lost to the 6-2 Giants and 8-0 Pats. He must suck too.
Romo went 14-29 with 2 TDs against Miami. He went 21-33 with 3 TDs and an INT against St. Louis.
Brady is on an entirely different planet when it comes to QB play. He has beat up on teams like Miami, Buffalo, the Jets, and Cincinnati though. Demerits for having some weak opponents!
I truly don't care who is under Center .... as long as he gets results and he wins games. That's my criteria. Produce or perish. Anderson has produced ... and won ... so he gets my support.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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We finally got a QB... It would be crazy to lose him or trade him to another team.
We don't know what we have in Quinn... I almost look at him like Mike Leinhart... and look how he's doing..
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And Tom Brady has beaten teams with a combined 24-35 record.
Yeah but Tom Brady also has 3 SB rings from the last 5 or 6 years to prove he's more than a flash in the pan.
Derek has played well, no one is arguing that, and he is helping us get wins, no one is arguing that either. What people are mentioning, is that it is too early to declare him as the next Johnny Unitas or Otto Graham. And any NFL GM is going to look alot deeper than the W-L columns to decide if they are willing to give up high draft picks to pick DA up.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I don't think anyone is saying he is going to be the next Unitas or Graham.
The problem is the typing heads tend to rate him to that standard....the stuff that only a few have done...and usually not a 24 year old qb with less than a dozen starts.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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I can't believe these threads. All I read from fans are how bad DA is and it's only shoddy defenses that make him look good, if DA keeps winning I wonder what we'll get in a trade, I'm sure Brady Quinn is the real deal even if he has never taken a regular season snap in the NFL.
Even if DA is good because of his supporting cast in this offensive scheme, why change that? It still means he's good as a Brown and is producing more wins. Are people so big on Quinn and the "future" that they are missing the proven future that is unfolding this season? The scary thought to some: What if DA continues to get better and our little boy Quinn doesn't start for a very long time?
I'd hope they sign a contract extention for at least a couple years to see how DA pans out in the long run. Good news is we still have the potential of a viable backup in Quinn (notice the word "potential").
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