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I did! OBJ had his back to his defender and defending like it was basketball, lol Blocking his dude out, but ready if Baker slung it his way.


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Thought it was interesting that in the post game conference call Baker said "it was my worst game this year."

In the first half he made some good reads and throws. He was not super accurate. Ball placement was not great but catches were made.

In the second half he made some bad decisions that were followed by poor throws. Int's can cost games.

However, the big thing is they won. And he is leading the team. Stats or no stats.

He is also showing improvement. He is staying in the pocket more. He is throwing the ball away rather than risking low percent high risk throws. He is using all the receivers and the whole field.

He is beginning to get in sync with Odell. He already has that with Jarvis.

This is a new offense. They are far from perfect. Lots to improve upon. But that is where this team is. They are learning to play like a team.

I don't care who you play in this league four straight wins don't come easy.

I am encouraged by the defense in this Colts game. We have been winning the turnover battle. We have cut the penalties way down. We are beginning to do what good teams do. They don't beat themselves.

Stefanski has this team thinking right. One and 0.

Play this game. Execute. Get the ball into playmakers hands. Be opportunistic and win the turnover game.

For the first time in way to many years.

This year is setting up to be fun. I sure hope we can continue to improve and stay healthy.

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j/c for the first time in years, this team is all in with the coaching staff and they are playing for each other and complimenting each other to the likes I have never seen before.


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I dunno about that. Our RBs were working HARD in this game. Things opened up a little at the end when Johnson and Hunt got their long runs, but it looked to me like they were getting hit at the LoS quite a bit throughout the game.

Hunt is elusive, but he also runs violently. This is NOT a thunder-and-lightning pairing in our backfield. It's a 2-feature-back pairing. Both have speed and elusiveness, both can catch, and both can lay a hit on a DB.


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I’m having fun watching the Browns! What is happening?!!!

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I have to say that I found the game plan impressive. While it has been pointed out that quite a few posters have disagreed with me in the past and probably still do, I think a good HC game plans around their opponent. I don't feel a HC being stubborn by trying to force some preconceived game plan down the throats of their opponent no matter who that opponent is as a wise strategy.

We didn't come out with some run centric approach on O in attacking the Colts. Stefanski knew they would be stacking up to stop our run game and took advantage of that by using the passing attack. Using play action to help freeze their D and using what would then be their weakness, the pass, to exploit them.

Now don't get me wrong, some teams are limited with their talent and as such are forced to game plan based on that. We are not in such a position. Hunt is a premiere RB. It's certainly a much better situation having both Chubb and Hunt playing on game day. But having Hunt doesn't change that he's a great RB and you can still be run heavy without Chubb if you are so inclined.

But in our case, we are not pigeonholed into any specific constraints on O as it pertains to our game plan. When it comes to TE's and WR's, we have talent all over the field. Top notch talent. Our OL can both run block and pass block. So we have the advantage of having the versatility to be able to change our game plan to explore the weakness of any opponent.

This game taught me a lot about Stefanski as a HC. While it's still too early for me to call him our savior, I'm certainly impressed with his understanding of how to approach game planning with who your opponent is in mind.


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I think a good HC game plans around their opponent. I don't feel a HC being stubborn by trying to force some preconceived game plan down the throats of their opponent no matter who that opponent is as a wise strategy.


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Getting Larry O, Joseph, and Vernon on the field Sunday is important. I wish Teller would be okay too


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Anyone remember week 1 when OBJ was jawing all day with Humphrey and Peters...he had several drops...obviously they got to him

I noticed Jarvis was yapping all day, and even a little skirmish at one play...he had those big drops...obviously they got to him

I wonder if it was just the defenders getting into our WRs heads on these instances.

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I just want to give credit to Hubbard. I never saw him in a positive light as a starter at RT. Average on his best days and less than average most days.

But man, he has stepped up two weeks in a row. First subbing in for Conklin when needed last week and this week for Teller. It seems that when we need him, he just comes in and does the job. I suspect there are fans who don't understand just how much value there is to having a player like that on the roster.

It seems our OL really doesn't miss a beat when he's called upon to play. Kudos to him.


I want to add to this and frame it in the context of culture.

When you have a good culture, a winning culture, guys don't want to let other guys down. When their number is called, they are focused and ready to go. They understand what's at stake and only their best effort is acceptable.

When you constantly lose, you don't get this type of effort. Look at the Jets. They have so many guys injured. Let's be honest, guys aren't going to put it on the line for that team. They aren't going to come off IR early. They aren't giving their best efforts in games.

For how many years have we seen good teams like Pitt and Balt just plug guys in and not skip a beat while the Browns get blamed for not having talent because it doesn't appear they get the same production as they muddle through another 5-11 season.

Culture is so important. Stability is so important. Having something to play for is so important.

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Originally Posted By: tru_dawgs

Anyone remember week 1 when OBJ was jawing all day with Humphrey and Peters...he had several drops...obviously they got to him

I noticed Jarvis was yapping all day, and even a little skirmish at one play...he had those big drops...obviously they got to him

I wonder if it was just the defenders getting into our WRs heads on these instances.



Jarvis is a fiery guy. One of my favorite players on the team, but I wish he would tone it down a bit. He always seems on the verge of going too far and getting penalized.

For someone with such a good head on his shoulders and a true leader, he really frustrates me with his overly impassioned antics on the field sometimes.

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Anyone remember week 1 when OBJ was jawing all day with Humphrey and Peters...he had several drops...obviously they got to him

I noticed Jarvis was yapping all day, and even a little skirmish at one play...he had those big drops...obviously they got to him

I wonder if it was just the defenders getting into our WRs heads on these instances.



Jarvis is a fiery guy. One of my favorite players on the team, but I wish he would tone it down a bit. He always seems on the verge of going too far and getting penalized.

For someone with such a good head on his shoulders and a true leader, he really frustrates me with his overly impassioned antics on the field sometimes.


As long as it doesn't cost the team, I'm perfectly content to let Jarvis be Jarvis. Let all the players be themselves, within the constraints of Team First.


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Looks like Steeler Week is the same matchup as the Colts. Our O vs their D as juggernauts; their O vs our D as weaknesses.


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Look at that poor Lions defense and the Broncos O...ekk

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Originally Posted By: tru_dawgs
I noticed Jarvis was yapping all day, and even a little skirmish at one play...he had those big drops...obviously they got to him


Landry does this all the time. It's nothing unusual. And it doesn't cause him to drop balls.


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I tend to agree with your post and would only like to add that I believe proper coaching is at play here as well.


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I noticed Jarvis was yapping all day, and even a little skirmish at one play...he had those big drops...obviously they got to him


Landry does this all the time. It's nothing unusual. And it doesn't cause him to drop balls.


Just trying to understand why he dropped perhaps two of the easiest catches he'll ever have....when normally he's a lock for any pass...Just appeared to be me a mental thing imho. (aint bashing Jarvis)

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I noticed Jarvis was yapping all day, and even a little skirmish at one play...he had those big drops...obviously they got to him


Landry does this all the time. It's nothing unusual. And it doesn't cause him to drop balls.


Just trying to understand why he dropped perhaps two of the easiest catches he'll ever have....when normally he's a lock for any pass...Just appeared to be me a mental thing imho. (aint bashing Jarvis)




It honestly looked to me that he just tried running before he caught the ball. I think these guys get so used to making the circus catches even the easiest ones they can lose concentration on and drop.

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I noticed Jarvis was yapping all day, and even a little skirmish at one play...he had those big drops...obviously they got to him


Landry does this all the time. It's nothing unusual. And it doesn't cause him to drop balls.


Just trying to understand why he dropped perhaps two of the easiest catches he'll ever have....when normally he's a lock for any pass...Just appeared to be me a mental thing imho. (aint bashing Jarvis)




It honestly looked to me that he just tried running before he caught the ball. I think these guys get so used to making the circus catches even the easiest ones they can lose concentration on and drop.


Very possible, moving eyes/head upfield before securing the catch (which is understandable considering the field on those flats can be just as dangerous as the middle of the field)

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I noticed Jarvis was yapping all day, and even a little skirmish at one play...he had those big drops...obviously they got to him


Landry does this all the time. It's nothing unusual. And it doesn't cause him to drop balls.


Just trying to understand why he dropped perhaps two of the easiest catches he'll ever have....when normally he's a lock for any pass...Just appeared to be me a mental thing imho. (aint bashing Jarvis)




It honestly looked to me that he just tried running before he caught the ball. I think these guys get so used to making the circus catches even the easiest ones they can lose concentration on and drop.


Very possible, moving eyes/head upfield before securing the catch (which is understandable considering the field on those flats can be just as dangerous as the middle of the field)


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Yeah, he's a chatterbox. Having fun out there usually. He made a great catch to open the game and then that one off the back of the defender was sensational. The two drops were highly uncharacteristic, probably a minor lapse in concentration, looking upfield before he had the ball or something like that. But I'm positive he will beat himself up and work on that aspect until it's second nature. JMHO


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You have to remember that Landry is playing for his fourth head coach and is in his third offense in the last three years. We have to remember that reps were limited and preseason games were canceled due to Covid. He's improving and we are 4 and 1. No need to be negative.


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Just trying to understand why he dropped perhaps two of the easiest catches he'll ever have


You have to remember that Landry is playing for his fourth head coach and is in his third offense in the last three years. We have to remember that reps were limited and preseason games were canceled due to Covid. He's improving and we are 4 and 1. No need to be negative.


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lmao I see what you did there Vers

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Originally Posted By: tru_dawgs

Anyone remember week 1 when OBJ was jawing all day with Humphrey and Peters...he had several drops...obviously they got to him

I noticed Jarvis was yapping all day, and even a little skirmish at one play...he had those big drops...obviously they got to him

I wonder if it was just the defenders getting into our WRs heads on these instances.



Didn't Landry go to the tent after that one over the defenders helmet catch? Could he possibly be playing the rest of the game some for of hand injury that hampered his ability to catch?


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Lots of kudos being handed out after this win, all well-deserved. But I want to send a shout-out to O-Line coach, Bill Callahan. Guy has done a bang-up job, and the improvement is obvious even to my layman's eye.
Other than KS, Callahan was the best off-season acquisition for the Browns. As I understand it, he has the office next to KS and is his sounding board. Oh, and he has the OL among the league's best.


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Yeah, he's a chatterbox. Having fun out there usually. He made a great catch to open the game and then that one off the back of the defender was sensational. The two drops were highly uncharacteristic, probably a minor lapse in concentration, looking upfield before he had the ball or something like that. But I'm positive he will beat himself up and work on that aspect until it's second nature. JMHO


My first thought on the one was he was probably over-excited knowing that he's got nothing but open field up ahead. IF he'd have caught it, that one would have been BIG.


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I noticed Jarvis was yapping all day, and even a little skirmish at one play...he had those big drops...obviously they got to him


Landry does this all the time. It's nothing unusual. And it doesn't cause him to drop balls.


Just trying to understand why he dropped perhaps two of the easiest catches he'll ever have....when normally he's a lock for any pass...Just appeared to be me a mental thing imho. (aint bashing Jarvis)


Oh I knew you weren't trying to bash him. I was just pointing out that Landry has a history of jawing back and forth with his opponents and that it's a very common thing he does. So there was nothing unusual about that which would throw in off his game.

And the white noise comment from the instigator? Not you...

He knows that the QB position is the most complicated position to learn and that having so many HC's during your young career would have a negative impact on your progression as a QB.

But rather than own up to it he tries to laugh it off. No surprise there.


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Anyone remember week 1 when OBJ was jawing all day with Humphrey and Peters...he had several drops...obviously they got to him

I noticed Jarvis was yapping all day, and even a little skirmish at one play...he had those big drops...obviously they got to him

I wonder if it was just the defenders getting into our WRs heads on these instances.



Didn't Landry go to the tent after that one over the defenders helmet catch? Could he possibly be playing the rest of the game some for of hand injury that hampered his ability to catch?


It's possible, I recall him going to the sidelines after that sideline hit (when a lot of us thought it was his hip) I remember the catch you are talking about...Could be injury related.

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Much like last week, this would have been a game we let go in the past. I'm hoping that we learn to put teams away a lot easier and quicker as our season goes.

Baker's getting the job done, but he's not super prolific. I wonder if it's just been the gameplan to make him somewhere in-between game manager and Brett Favre? He can continue to improve and I'm not looking for his replacement anytime soon, either.

Myles was getting a ton of push one-on-one. On one play, I saw a triple team and he pushed all three of them.

Hard to judge the running performance as Indy has a great defense. I think all the RBs did as much as they could.

What will it take to get us better secondary help?

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I agree. After the kickoff return, that would have folded our tents. I think the safety really helped to re-set ourselves. Myles has done that a few times this year for us


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Did anyone notice near the end of the half Higgins caught a ball and ran out of bounds and the clock kept running? Am I having a brain fart. Shouldnt the clock have stopped?



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Did anyone notice near the end of the half Higgins caught a ball and ran out of bounds and the clock kept running? Am I having a brain fart. Shouldnt the clock have stopped?


I didn't, but I have noticed this in the past. I'm sure someone will correct me on this (and I hope so) but I don't think the clock stops until it's under a certain time limit? Really I'm confused on this also, because I have noticed the clock still running at times when players run out of bounds.

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clock keeps running on out of bounds plays until the final 2 minutes of the 1st half, and final 5 minutes of the game.


Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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