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Mac this isn't directed at you just a general response to the thread.
Stats don't tell the story, use your eyes to judge what you see, not numbers...
A guy could have 50 interceptions, and they could all be interceptions or poor routes run, but it would never show up in the stats... Stop using stats guys, most of the time they're crap.
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Those throws over the past 2 games have been absolutely amazing, no question. Our receivers had the DB running to catch up and had their backs to DA and he just laid the ball right in, incredible throws, and throws that DA, couldn’t have thrown when the season started I don’t think. That’s called real honest to goodness progress.
The past two weeks should have served to skyrocket the confidence of both the receivers and DA as well as the entire offensive unit as a whole.
Now comes "The Test".
If he can make those throws under the pressure that better teams will get on him, and the recievers can make those catches vs. the better DB play that better defenses will show them, then the progress will continue.
Vs. those better team, the number of opportunities for amazing plays will be fewer. The ones that do present themselves must be taken advantage of. There is little room for mistakes or near misses vs. the better teams.
In addition, better teams will score more readily on us than did the lesser team and the lesser teams did quite well. So not only does our offense have to do as well as we have vs. those bad teams, but we have to do even better vs. the good teams. In the realm of common sense that would seem to be impossible. Yet...
Also, overcoming mistakes vs. the better teams as we did in the Rams game for instance, (penalties that put us in bad situations), will not be so easy. They were not actually easy before, but against the better teams it will be much harder.
Coming from behind for a win is also not as easy vs. the better teams. Once they get a lead they tend to pin their ears back and play even better. They will not make the abundance of mistakes that allow their opposition to come from behind unless the opposition (us) has truely brought their A-game.
None of this is saying DA will be good or bad. I have no way of knowing. Neither does any of this tell you anything you don't already know, or have not already said yourself, about the nature of the game vs. playing a good team or a bad team. But all this will come into play over the next three games and I'm excited to see how DA and this team responds.
Da is still a young QB. This offense is only 7 games old. Hopefully the confidence they've gained thus far will translate into the same quality play vs. the better teams as it has done vs. the chumps of the league. We couldn't have wished for better "tune-up/practice" games heading into the toughest stretch of our schedule.
I'm at the edge of my seat in anticipation to see what happens over the next three games offensively and how confident, competent and improved DA is in particular. This short stretch of three games will go a long ways to help answer the question of what we will do with him in the offseason.
Personally, I think we'll tender him high, pay him the 2.3 million or so and keep him around next season if he continues to play well this season.
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U also said GOOD ENOUGH ...not outstanding .not great either..
10-18 204yds 2tds 1int- 55.6% completion ratio..QB rating 109.5..
Not a great completion %.....
Now during the game did he make any bad throws and bad decisions?
Seems to me he did but the fact is he played good enough to get points in the first half ..and how many in the second half?
He needs to play better than just good against Seahawks/Steelers/Ratbirds for us to get a lot of scoring..and NOT LEAVE scoring opportunities on the turf.
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Mac this isn't directed at you just a general response to the thread.
Stats don't tell the story, use your eyes to judge what you see, not numbers...
A guy could have 50 interceptions, and they could all be interceptions or poor routes run, but it would never show up in the stats... Stop using stats guys, most of the time they're crap.
Good points since sacks, int's, etc are not broken down by the player that actually made the error. If a WR goes left when he's supposed to go right, that's not DA's fault, even though the INT will show on DA's 'record'. If an OL misses an assignment, again, DA gets a sack.
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Since you got back to the topic of the thread, you are as good a person to respond to as any. The only way I see us keeping Anderson is if he has a complete meltdown, and turns out to have been playing over his head. If he finishes the season even somewhat close to numbers he is on track to put up, he's gone. We have a nice shiny, high priced rookie QB on the bench, and everybody knows it. This is a business, and in business it comes down to numbers. I'm not interested in figuring out if we can keep Anderson long term, but it looks like it it's a possibility without taking a financial hit. The bright side is we will get something in return for him, but I think he is gone this offseason. I believe Quinn is going to be good for us. I really hope he learns faster than Anderson did though. This place will suck to be around if he doesn't.
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Stop using stats guys, most of the time they're crap.
winbod....actually, stats can be useful if used properly.
I just took a glance at Anderson's situational stats and they tell a story about Anderson's performances you may not have realized.
Anderson, for some reason, is a slow starter.
Most of Anderson's ints come early in the game and his QB rating and completion percentage are lowest in the first qtr of the game.
Anderson's performance peaks in the 3rd qtr with a slight drop off in the 4th qtr.
A QB coach might look at these stats and concentrate on getting Anderson better prepared at the beginning of the game.
Stats are useful if used properly....WOOF...mac
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A slow starter can come from several things..he is unsettled early on and needs to get a rhythm...
Not focused enough...
I think it's more of the first...seeing his inability to consistantly look off the hot route onto a secondary pattern plays a huge part...he wants to go in one direction early ...he needs to let the game come to him.
The fourth quarters are the game saving drives and this is where he gets too keyed up...
Also our OC will have to make adjustments in the playcalling to get him to utilize our backs more..
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I see what you are saying Spec, honestly, and using stats to augment your argument gives your argument validity. However, stats don’t always tell the complete picture, as I am sure you are aware.
That's very true, and I'm not saying that statistics are even better than observation. It's just much easier to defend what you're saying or make the point altogether with numbers, because people are very quick to dismiss observation as uneducated if it doesn't agree with their view. It's much harder to dispute numbers and splits.
From my observations watching DA, I really don't think it's a coincidence that we see "good DA" against the bad defenses and "bad DA" against the good defenses. I have no doubt whatsoever in DA's ability to throw the ball through a tire. If the line is giving him protection and receivers are getting open, DA will look as good as he did in OTAs when people raved about his ability. He can throw the ball in rhythm all day.
That doesn't happen against good teams and there's a reason why he's been awful against most of them IMO. Put pressure on DA and keep coverage on the receivers and we're toast. He'll rush his throws and force them into places too tight for anything but a turnover to result.
Everyone is raving about how good DA is in the pocket, but when the pocket is there all day, it's not that hard. Look back at the sack to his non-blind side last week and see the real DA. He didn't have any feel whatsoever for the rusher and got obliterated. He still locks onto receivers, but when you have all day to throw, locking on will eventually get you an open target. What happens when his window to throw is greatly reduced?
These are all things I never want to see again, but I have a feeling they're going to rear their ugly head against better, more competent defenses. If, during these next three weeks, DA takes a step back against Seattle, Pittsburgh or Baltimore (or even all three), just know I warned you. If he ends up keeping up his great performance, I'll choke down an entire humble pie and I won't care in the slightest, because then I'll know for sure we have something special. As is... I just don't see a guy that can play well unless a defense either can not or will not challenge him. I talked down Droughns in the same way during and after his 1,000 yard season.
I hope I'm wrong this time.
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This short stretch of three games will go a long ways to help answer the question of what we will do with him in the offseason.
I agree with that completely, as well as the rest of your rambling. 
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All very good points. The trouble is that we have been starved for good football for so long that just a little taste has most on here sweating like a crack addict.
I, too, am afraid that DA is doing it with smoke and mirrors (and bad Defenses). I, too, hope I am wrong. I am enjoying the wins but I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. Maybe it never will. But all this talk of giving DA a multimillion dollar contract and trading Quinn are WAY premature. As I recall there was this same furor every time Couch put together a couple of good games. See where that got us.
I have no problem with rewarding Derek at the end of a great season. Let's just have the great season first, shall we?
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I, too, am afraid that DA is doing it with smoke and mirrors (and bad Defenses). I, too, hope I am wrong. I am enjoying the wins but I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. Maybe it never will. But all this talk of giving DA a multimillion dollar contract and trading Quinn are WAY premature.
Now there is a sensible post. That shows there is a first for everything! Thank you Otto.
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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