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Pretty much my entire family that's here in Tennessee went to vote early Wednesday. Daughter, her husband, my grandson, my wife and myself. My son in law has never voted Democrat for president. While we haven't always seen eye to eye on policy issues, we've never actually had any animosity towards each other over politics. Wednesday was the first time he voted for a Democrat for president.

While it's certainly an isolated instance, it has given me some insight to how a a suburban, moderate thinking Republican views Trump and it isn't good.


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Actually the policy was to try and keep families together rather than splitting them up. Here's a fact check article on the topic.

Did the Obama Administration Separate Families?

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-families/

The policy was certainly changed to the extreme when it comes to the parameters.


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Ok, so that article said the same thing I (tried) to say.

They didn't go out and say, "let's separate all those families". They said "let's prosecute everyone crossing illegally in order to deter further crossings long-term".... not knowing (or caring) what downstream effects there would be.

I mentioned that this might be splitting hairs because, in the end, whether the mass separations were accidental or intentional, the whole thing was (another) example of a shocking lack of humanity in this administration.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Actually the policy was to try and keep families together rather than splitting them up.


See the problem with the democrats is.

(and I only quoted this because it's just another illustration.)

The Problem with the democrats is, they think they know better.

They thin know better than the MOM how to raise her infant, Therefore, they believe they are better to take the infant away from it's mom.

They think they know better than the person who drives a car, therefore they believe they are better to take away your car and replace it with some electric piece of crap.

It never ends, even if it results in torture and death.

See, the thing is, Democrats believe they know better than you whether you have a right to not be tortured, so when they torture you it will be for your own good,
because democrats think they know so much.

And the same in matters of life and death, death camps, well the democrats are smarter, see,
so if they feel your life is better ended, who are you to complain,
I mean, your just not as smart as them so it makes it ok, in the democrats twisted mind.

Pick a topic, the template is evidenced.
healthcare,
money
speech
jobs
industry
wars and military
where you can live, what you can eat, what you can buy, how much money or things of value you can have,

how warm, hot or cold your environment,

Even with how much vigor and enthusiasm you must thank them for the punishments they dwell out to you.

Because, democrats think they "know" more than you, they think they are some evil potentate, that can take over your life,
but it's ok, because, smartly, they know better, therefore their decision was better, no matter how the consequences effect you,
because you just aren't smart enough or know as much as they think they do.

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You do realize that trying to keep families together means keeping the child with the mom and separation means taking the mom away from the child, right?


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I remember seeing for the first time last night, don't know how I missed it in the past.

Just how MEAN and ANGRY Joe Biden was at times, and it was disgusting to watch.

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Democrats understand that society is about we.

Republican believe that society is about me.

The constitution begins with We the people...


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Just an observation ...I believe that these children were were abandoned by their parents cause any good parent should be looking for their lost children not the other way around watta joke that the libs are blaming Trump. To be honest how hard would it be for any concerned parent to contact the ACLU for info on this matter....man the scumbag libs will make anything up to demean the conservatives .
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You think Obamacare helped more than it hurt?

Obamacare took food off my table! One of the top (some number of) autrocities perpetrated on the American masses by the democratic party because they got away with it. Look what they did to schools!


I will ask again, like I did in another thread, but haven't gotten an answer...how exactly were you harmed, or how was food taken off your table?

I saw obvious flaws in Obamacare, but the sensationalism and fear-basing is something that I wholeheartedly condemn, and that's for both sides.


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It's hard to find your kids in America when you've been deported to Central America.

Next we'll hear that the dog ate Trump's healthcare plan.


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I remember seeing for the first time last night, don't know how I missed it in the past.

Just how MEAN and ANGRY Joe Biden was at times, and it was disgusting to watch.




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That auto worker wouldn't have a job if Obama and Biden hadn't saved the auto industry.


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There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

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I agree with everything you said. On the detention centers, I think Biden missed what could have been a substantial blow. When Trump accused him of building cages, he could have said "I sure as hell never had any cages built to hold children inside of, like we've seen under your administration, Mr. President." The sad thing is I could actually see him saying that line verbatim, and he missed it.

I think where Trump landed his biggest blows was on the issue of criminal reform. Joe really pivoted the conversation there.

I think Biden definitely had more of a detailed process behind what his vision would do, which is a bad look in my eyes for Trump, because he's actually the person currently in office trying to deal with things.

Trump saying once again that they're very close on an Obamacare substitute was sickeningly irritating to me.


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Take your self righteous attitude story walking. You have no right to know my details, anymore than I to ask your personal information.
The Democrats! in 2003, in 2008, in 2012, in 2016, and previous to all of those, going back to, at least to the Clinton inauguration, RUINED AMERICA, and it has effects on real people,
and maybe some have been insulated elitest situations haven't seen it, but it's the DEMOCRAT PARTY that does it, and if they had any SENSE, or even had any goodness, then folks wouldn't have to live with it.

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You said it took food off your table.... it's a dubious claim and he's asking for an explanation.

You could look at it this way... he's taking what you say somewhat seriously by asking for more information.


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They think they know better than the person who drives a car, therefore they believe they are better to take away your car and replace it with some electric piece of crap.


For the record, if any of you who own a Tesla would like to replace my car with that "piece of crap," you are welcome to do so.


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Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Actually the policy was to try and keep families together rather than splitting them up.


See the problem with the democrats is.

(and I only quoted this because it's just another illustration.)

The Problem with the democrats is, they think they know better.

They thin know better than the MOM how to raise her infant, Therefore, they believe they are better to take the infant away from it's mom.

They think they know better than the person who drives a car, therefore they believe they are better to take away your car and replace it with some electric piece of crap.

It never ends, even if it results in torture and death.

See, the thing is, Democrats believe they know better than you whether you have a right to not be tortured, so when they torture you it will be for your own good,
because democrats think they know so much.

And the same in matters of life and death, death camps, well the democrats are smarter, see,
so if they feel your life is better ended, who are you to complain,
I mean, your just not as smart as them so it makes it ok, in the democrats twisted mind.

Pick a topic, the template is evidenced.
healthcare,
money
speech
jobs
industry
wars and military
where you can live, what you can eat, what you can buy, how much money or things of value you can have,

how warm, hot or cold your environment,

Even with how much vigor and enthusiasm you must thank them for the punishments they dwell out to you.

Because, democrats think they "know" more than you, they think they are some evil potentate, that can take over your life,
but it's ok, because, smartly, they know better, therefore their decision was better, no matter how the consequences effect you,
because you just aren't smart enough or know as much as they think they do.


Ok, I will pick a topic.

Abortion
Same Sex Marriages
Gender discrimination.


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Where do you came up with the crap you post?


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Originally Posted By: ChargerDawg
Democrats understand that society is about we.


See, the democrats think they can take over everything, even including your right to life vs. their whim to end your life,
because they think "we".

Ask Terry Schindler Schaivo.

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Where do you came up with the crap you post?


Why don't you start listening to the words of the likes of Pelosi and Schumur and other democrats, and see what they are really aiming for, what their end goal is.

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I'm reading your words. Well, trying to anyway. Why don't you show me what they have to say? It's a point you seem to be trying to make.


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I'm a little baffled here. I'm no huge fan of Biden, at all, but I can't honestly believe Trump fans are scorning an opposing candidate for being "mean and angry."

How many nicknames has Trump given to his opponents? "Images are a thousand words" when he juxtaposed Ted Cruz's wife with Melania?

You guys have seen Donald Trump speak before, right?

I mean, come on...


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They see somebody standing up to him and it's driving them nuts.


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You said it took food off your table.... it's a dubious claim and he's asking for an explanation.

You could look at it this way... he's taking what you say somewhat seriously by asking for more information.


You nailed it. I certainly have my preconceived notions, but I always legitimately want to hear everyone out. Perhaps he has something that is valid that could make me reconsider. I am open to it.

Asking a question, though, makes me "self righteous," so I guess I've heard all I need to hear.


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Don't you find it odd that someone is willing to make such a claim and then show self righteous indignation when you question them to show a more specific answer?


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Where do you came up with the crap you post?


Why don't you start listening to the words of the likes of Pelosi and Schumur and other democrats, and see what they are really aiming for, what their end goal is.



They are very self-interested, I agree with you, but so is Mitch McConnell, and many of the Republican senate. I actually think I might disdain Ted Cruz more than just about anyone in Washington.

I mean, can we all address how asinine it is that we have an 80 year old in the House and a 78 year old in the Senate (who looks like he's dying now by the way) who are basically in charge of negotiating our country's present and future recovery???

I think to contend that one side has been apocalyptic and the other has been a knight in shining armor is naive at best. And that works in either direction.

But, hey, in fairness, I think that's the narrative both parties are going for with their constituents.


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Don't you find it odd that someone is willing to make such a claim and then show self righteous indignation when you question them to show a more specific answer?


I used to find it odd, but sadly, I am finding it less and less odd. Or perhaps it's better to say that yes, I find it to be very odd, but perhaps I'm just desensitized to it.


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Which goes down the road we have been traveling today. Throwing out accusatory catch phrases doesn't really say anything. I'm not some left wing extremist and have actually gone at it with a couple of the far more liberal posters on this board because of it.

But just throwing out the names of politicians isn't saying anything. If he would show me exactly what the hell it is he is talking about then it could be discussed.


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Or perhaps it's better to say that yes, I find it to be very odd, but perhaps I'm just desensitized to it.


Which is what I find most scary when it comes to Trump and some of his most extreme supporters. After hearing this for four years, people become desensitized it to the point where lunacy and lies become the new normal.

The same thing applies to Covid. People will begin to ignore it, minimize it and become desensitized to it. More and more people will die and the problem will become even more complicated and prolonged.


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I have always been disappointed Biden never mentions the fact that he and Obama turned the country around from a financial crisis and he knows how to do it again. After trump screwed up one of the best growing economies. Trumps economic success was just riding what Obama and Biden had set up.


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It gets mentioned but it dwarfs in comparison to all of the times Trump tries to rewrite history with his words. See, the entire nation hears the words of the president all the time. Which only reinforces the old adage that the wheel that squeaks the loudest get the grease.

In Trump's case, no matter how much he gets greased he still squeaks.


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Way to liberal....


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My, I can only imagine the outrage from conservatives and republicans the moment Jesus signed a law passed by crazy Nancy and the democrats that made more Americans eligible for food stamps and national healthcare.

Conservatives would call him a socialist antichrist, while republicans will become birthers and open an investigation into how a foreign born Jew can claim he only has one human parent.


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Dude you need to loosen your tie. It’s obviously cutting oxygen off from your brain. Wow what a bunch of utter nonsense you’ve posted.


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Democrats understand that society is about we.

Republican believe that society is about me.

The constitution begins with We the people...



"Democrats" and "Republicans" are two herds of lemmings heading for the same cliff from different directions, blindly following inconsistent, incompetent leaders towards an imagined better future. I don't care if the leader is a jerk or an affable kook, neither is leading anywhere that I care to follow.


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