I know the narrative will be about how Baker will be better without the need to focus on getting OBJ the ball, since he was the "problem", but we got weaker as a team. This is bad.
“...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
I know the narrative will be about how Baker will be better without the need to focus on getting OBJ the ball, but we got weaker as a team. This is bad.
Yup. That play that won us the Cowboy game, we don’t have that anymore.
I know the narrative will be about how Baker will be better without the need to focus on getting OBJ the ball, since he was the "problem", but we got weaker as a team. This is bad.
Personally I don't buy it. OBJ is a talent. The more talent you have the better. If Baker (and KS) had a talent at his disposal and couldn't figure the best way to utilize it, that's a Baker (and KS) issue not a OBJ issue. We saw games where it all came together - too bad we won't get more opportunities this season.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Hoping he has a full recovery. Injuries have been ravaging in the NFL this year (and every year obviously). No fun for a player to endure
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
This stinks but we expected it. It's time for our other guys to step up like they did yesterday. Now they have to do it over the next 9 games. Get well OBJ. WE love you and are glad you are a Cleveland Brown!!!
Damn...Was hoping for a sprain, hopefully he makes a full recovery for next year...We will miss that speed element in our system for sure. Higgins/DPJ/Hodge will all have to step up to the plate...I think we get Hodge back this week or next?
If we're looking for a silver lining from this... it's not the "Baker will inexplicably get better" hogwash. It does mean good things for Higgins. Dude has somehow been criminally under-used by (it seems like) 10 coaching staffs. All but impossible to keep him off the field now.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
If we're looking for a silver lining from this... it's not the "Baker will inexplicably get better" hogwash. It does mean good things for Higgins. Dude has somehow been criminally under-used by (it seems like) 10 coaching staffs. All but impossible to keep him off the field now.
Stefanski said something to the effect of "their chemistry is undeniable" in his post game presser.
Didn't someone once laugh at the notion that Baker and Higgins had chemistry?
We had PAGES and PAGES of discussion. LOL. I don't remember who said it, but there was a lot of debate about how much chemistry you could claim with Higgins relative low catch total etc.
EDIT - thinking about this some more and putting into context with folks saying that Baker will do better without OBJ (which I don't think is a truism).
It's perfectly possible to be of the opinion that Baker has a superior connection/trust/chemistry with Higgins - where Higgins will be and how Higgins will catch the ball compared to OBJ --- while acknowledging Higgins will never be able to come close to the ability OBJ has - physically, to get separation or run after catch to make monster plays. etc.
Don't underestimate chemistry (Higgins). Don't underestimate good given athletic freaks of nature (OBJ).
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The more things change the more they stay the same.
We said it yesterday, but now we have Jarvis, Higgins, and DPJ (and Hodge, who is hurt) ... is there any team who may be a seller who has a speedy type WR?
John Ross perhaps.
Jaguars? Texans? Falcons?
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
Baker needs a big, strong target... like, say, a Breshad Perriman.
Is Josh Gordon still out there???
DPJ is BIG STRONG and FAST ...
John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
There are two WR's in the NFL that remind me a lot of the good Josh Gordon .... tragically one plays for Pittsburgh. The good news I have him on my keeper fantasy team!
The more things change the more they stay the same.
We said it yesterday, but now we have Jarvis, Higgins, and DPJ (and Hodge, who is hurt) ... is there any team who may be a seller who has a speedy type WR?
John Ross perhaps.
Jaguars? Texans? Falcons?
John Ross is Troy Williamson 2.0, I'd steer away from those awful hands...I was thinking of Taylor Gabriel, then forgot he opted out this year. I think Taywan Taylor had 4.30 speed at Eastern Kentucky...I think he may be on our practice squad too. I know Texans have Keke Coutee whom they never play anymore (because of Fuller, Cooks, Cobb, Sills) Then again, he is rather frail himself.
There are two WR's in the NFL that remind me a lot of the good Josh Gordon .... tragically one plays for Pittsburgh. The good news I have him on my keeper fantasy team!
Who is the other?
Don't blame the clown for acting like a clown. Ask yourself why you keep going to the circus.
Giants waived WR Damion Ratley. Ratley had caught four passes for 63 yards through five games. His release comes after he committed an offensive pass interference penalty that negated a Darius Slayton touchdown against the Cowboys in Week 5. This is ex-Brown Ratley's age-25 campaign.
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Perriman has talent, but nothing upstairs. He wanted out because we brought in OBJ; he didn't want to deal with competition, he wanted out of this locker room.... we should not be rewarding that.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
It was a one year, team-friendly, "show me" deal... Hours later OBJ was part of the blockbuster trade.
Perriman probably assumed there wouldn't be much "show me" with OBJ on the team. I really can't blame the guy and thought the Browns did the right thing when they released him from the contract.
There are two WR's in the NFL that remind me a lot of the good Josh Gordon .... tragically one plays for Pittsburgh. The good news I have him on my keeper fantasy team!
Who is the other?
DK Metcalf - not quite the same exact mold as Flash - but a physical freak. Claypool reminds me of Josh from a mannerism, talent, athletic ability perspective ... it's early days but I see him make plays and I see so much Josh.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
Agreed. Obviously we have to utilize the guys we have more. We have the talent to do so with Higgins and Njkou. Peoples-Jones looks like a good player too. Its up to our caches to make it work.
OBJ's decoy value and the degree that other teams needed to game plan for him is what benefited the team the most IMO. You can't take away the fact that he pretty much won that Dallas game for us but aside from that, it's his command of the defens's attention that the other wide-outs and TE's will miss the most.
Ironically, it's against the best teams (Pitt and Balt) where he matters least IMO. They're the best at taking away singularly potent weapons when there is a big drop off to the second best at the position. They seem to have a harder time against a team with a bunch of 85%'ers than a team with few 95%'er and and gaggle 60-75%'ers. Scheming becomes much less sure. Does that make sense to anyone but me? They simply focused on OBJ, Landry, Hunt and Garret and made us try to win with everyone else. The best teams can do it. That's why I think in a strange way we looked a little better when he left the game. It throws off the game plan in what seems like should be a positive way for the defense but they didn't seem to know who to devote the most resources to. It might be a game or two for defenses to identify the next most obvious combination of piece to try take away. It's a theory anyway. Let's hope Baker continues to spread it around and on target.
"Team Chemistry No Match for Team Biology" (Onion Sports Headline)
GC. Check this out, can't download it but just saw the replay again on the news, and saw where his knee seemed to give out. He's running full speed and putting on the breaks as he comes up to the group. That's when his momentum and weight seem to overload the knee.
Check this out, In my mind I'm like if only he could have leapt, left his feet and entered that group head first to perform a violent tackle his knee wouldn't have been overloaded. So now I'm thinking the targeting rule caused him to not leave his feet and led to his other choice, which led to his injury.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
OBJ's decoy value and the degree that other teams needed to game plan for him is what benefited the team the most IMO. You can't take away the fact that he pretty much won that Dallas game for us but aside from that, it's his command of the defens's attention that the other wide-outs and TE's will miss the most.
Ironically, it's against the best teams (Pitt and Balt) where he matters least IMO. They're the best at taking away singularly potent weapons when there is a big drop off to the second best at the position. They seem to have a harder time against a team with a bunch of 85%'ers than a team with few 95%'er and and gaggle 60-75%'ers. Scheming becomes much less sure. Does that make sense to anyone but me? They simply focused on OBJ, Landry, Hunt and Garret and made us try to win with everyone else. The best teams can do it. That's why I think in a strange way we looked a little better when he left the game. It throws off the game plan in what seems like should be a positive way for the defense but they didn't seem to know who to devote the most resources to. It might be a game or two for defenses to identify the next most obvious combination of piece to try take away. It's a theory anyway. Let's hope Baker continues to spread it around and on target.
This I don’t see many posts by anyone besides the top ten posters posters here. And most of that becomes a silly argument. Couldn’t agree more with this post. Hope it’s talked about, cause, it makes since to me, not only you.
GC. Check this out, can't download it but just saw the replay again on the news, and saw where his knee seemed to give out. He's running full speed and putting on the breaks as he comes up to the group. That's when his momentum and weight seem to overload the knee.
Those looking for video to analyse the play, here is a clip from YouTube, CBS discussing the injury.
Throw Long might have a valid point as you see Beckham's right toe skid about a yard, trying to slow his momentum.
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