DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus General Election, the NeverEnding Story Chapter 1.

The Cult of Trump portion of his supporters sent death threats to Lesley Stahl ... smh.

And Fauci.

I did early voting today. There was almost no line.

Lucky you. We don’t have early voting where I live. GOP governor refused to take a vote on it and refused to allow it. Even questioning many request for absentee ballots until too late to get them mailed out. Typical Goper’s Suppressing votes.

Your whole premise is a LIE!!! I lived it!!!

We all did!!! I don't care if you get 300 people to like your post.
Well son of a bird looks like Obama is going to be the democrat nominee... wait... what the...
why is the economy crashing, you mean the whole housing market and then the stock market and then oh a great freaking depression and no jobs and suffering under Obama's authoritarian thumb for 8 years,
Oh it started the day Obama' was beginning to be accepted as the general democratic nominee

and Everybody in the Businesses of the USA knew McCain or Romney, whicherver it was, was just a flippin RINO, AND WITHOUT A DOUBT
NO MATTER WHO WON,
we were going to have to live under the oppression of DEMOCRATIS PARTIES AGENDA FOR THE NEAR FUTURE

AND oh look how the Markets, the economy, jobs, the rest of the world, responded to it.

So Stop with the democratic idealistic LIES of revisionist history,
We were all alive for it
Everybody knows it

If you have a problem with how it went down, then you just don't want to admit the truth!

My state has a GOP govenor, early voting, and absentee ballots. In fact they sent mail to my house with the form for absentee ballots. Nobody is supressing anything.

You think the Great Recession started because Obama was nominated?

Dude... seriously... have your medications adjusted.

I have a couple issues but you seem to have the entire catalog.

Dinosaur revivers are criminally dripped to public geysers. Don’t you know the fishbowl couch has tremors! The Obama florists crammed their trumpets into trunks. Don’t be fooled!! Communism.

Dude, it's not a "think" it's a know,
everybody knows.

and it's not a "because" it didn't happen "because Obama was nominated, but it did happen "WHEN" Obama was nominated,

and, I was thinking about this, Obama could (<could!) have been a good politician, if he were a Republican, and followed GOP policies,
the problem is, He was a democrat, and the democrats, ANY OF EM, Shumur, Daschle, any of em, and guys that act like them
DeWine, and Bush 41, and some of the stuff Bush 43 let pass while he was around,
The democratic parties agenda, it ruins things,
look around, wake up, the evidence is all around.

Even Kamala Harris, if she were a Republican,(and thought and voted like, and changed all her wrong ideas and stances on issues, and ended her apparent hate,) would be better, than many politicians including some RINOs and even some Republicans because of her youth, look, These two guys are 75 years old, Trump and Biden, if we could find somebody 40 years old,
Who had correct thinking policies
they'd be even better,
problem is,
the democratic parties agenda.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/elections/how-long-election-results-2020/

How long it will take to count the votes.

The NeverEnding Story Chapter 1.

Certainly I expect the length of time of counting mail in ballots to be historic, at least nothing like we've seen in the last, well ever really.

It will take the same amount of time as always - pro-rata to the number of mailed in ballots.

If the number of mail in ballots doubled because of Covid and people's reaction to Trumps failure to respond to Covid, then the votes will take twice as long to count. If they tripled the time will triple. If they quadrupled then the time will go up 4x.

In one county, Franklin County Ohio, Columbus Ohio,

Mail in ballot requests were up 600%, that's 6 times as many, as reported sometime in mid to late September, which is a Month ago now. (And Frank Larose, iirc was on the radio saying this,)
Than the mail in ballots requested in the entire 2016 election for the same.

That's one county, in one state.

In Ohio, the board of elections is allowed to pre-count absentee ballots, and most counties decided to start pre-counting ballots starting on October 6.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/13/us/politics/when-votes-counted.html

Thus, it is expected that the first numbers to be released in Ohio (right when polls close) is all of the absentee ballots, which will probably show a big Biden lead. Things will tighten up considerably as the Election Day voting (which is likely heavily pro-Trump) starts coming in.

One Week Left: 42 Percent of Pennsylvania Mail-in Ballot Requests Not Returned


Charlie Spiering

27 Oct 2020


A large number of mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania have not been returned by voters who requested them, according to the latest numbers from the commonwealth on Tuesday.

The latest tally of mail-in ballots shows that 1,702,115 ballots requested by voters in Pennsylvania have not been returned with seven days remaining. That’s 42 percent of the 2,969,485 total mail-in ballots requested.

That leaves Democrats in a last-minute struggle to deliver on their push to get voters to submit their vote-by-mail ballots.

“A major problem for them is that a ballot request doesn’t translate into a vote cast until the person fills it out and sends it in,” Trump campaign director of communications Tim Murtaugh said in a call with Breitbart News and other reporters.

Of the mail-in ballots requested, Democrats lead with 63 percent while only 25 percent of the ballots were requested by Republicans.

The data from the US Election Project shows that 1.2 million Pennsylvania Democrats have returned mail-in ballots with a 62.6 percent return rate.

“While Democrats may in states have a lead in absentee and vote by mail ballots returned, it is not a significant lead,” Murtaugh said.

He noted that Democrats were no longer pressing their supporters to vote by mail.

“They have now realized that they put too many eggs in the vote-by-mail basket, and they are not hitting the marks they need,” he said.

Murtaugh said that Democrats’ early lobbying for vote-by-mail was only frightening their own voters away from voting in person.

Democrats face the challenge of chasing down 712,749 remaining ballots requested by their supporters, with just a week left to get those ballots returned.

Republicans face a similar problem, but the numbers are much lower. Of the 761,811 mail-in ballots requested by Republicans, only 406,494 ballots have yet to be returned.

The Trump campaign believes that the Biden campaign does not have the necessary infrastructure to get those ballots returned.

“In order to chase those ballot requests and turn them into ballots cast, you have to have a ground game,” Murtaugh said. “Joe Biden doesn’t have one.”

The Trump campaign is confident that Republicans will turn out in force on Election Day, touting the 200,000 new Republican voters registered in the commonwealth by the campaign since 2016.

“The president’s Election Day vote and his vote turnout will carry the day because the Democrats have not opened up a large enough lead,” Murtaugh said.

Rep. Mike Kelly (R-PA) argued that many Pennsylvania Democrats would actually vote for Trump in 2020.

“I’m just wondering, why do people think that every one of those Democrats who mailed in that ballot voted for Biden?” he asked during the call.

Kelly noted that his family were Irish Catholic Democrats but that he saw more blue-collar “dye in the wool blue” Democrats flipping to vote for Trump.

“There are a tremendous number of generational Democrats who have decided that their party left them a long time ago,” he said.


https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/...s-not-returned/

Where has 40 been? He's been MIA for a while. How can we have an election without him?

Throw Long is just channeling his inner KellyAnne Conway with alternative facts...

40 is laying low this political season.

As I understand it, he mentioned as much, a few weeks ago... and has held true to his word.

I for one, appreciate and respect his discipline and forbearance.

If You want to truly know what 40 thinks, You'd probably have to PM him with specific questions about specific topics.

I'd expect that you'd get honest answers to candid questions.

Check with him on the DL.

An incident that sums up Donald Trump as a person

I saw an article yesterday that said close to 90 million mail-in ballots has been requested, but only a little over 45% had been returned.

But I would chalk that up to some folks deciding to go in person after requesting mail-in, and the final rush of last minute mail-ins.

I would guess when all is said and done it will be closer to 75-80% mail in received.

What is interesting is that there are about 230 million eligible voters in the US, typically about 75% eligible are actually registered. Meaning there's approximately 175 million registered voters, so more than half requested mail-in ballots.

That's a large percentage, which I expect to only grow in the next few years, and expect voting in person to be a thing of the past in the next 10-20 years.

trump and his supporters...

The best info on mail-in ballots across the nation (though sometimes individual states are a bit wonky) is here:

https://electproject.github.io/Early-Vote-2020G/index.html

Mail-In Ballots Requested: 91,030,695
Mail-In Ballots Returned: 47,753,131

So 52.4% Returned. Probably there are 10-15% more in the mail (or waiting to be processed) right now. But hard to tell for sure.

They were working on the left last night on MSNBC by telling people the window to vote by mail has passed. We can't rely on the USPS to deliver ballots on time at this point and the SCOTUS just sided with the GOPers over the deadline in PA.

Study warns five states at high risk for election-related armed violence by militia groups

A study released last week warned that five states are at high risk of experiencing election-related armed violence from militia groups.

A joint report released last Wednesday by the Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED) and MilitiaWatch determined Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin and Oregon to be at high risk for increased militia activity leading up to and following the election. USA Today reported on the study on Tuesday.

ACLED and MilitiaWatch caution in the report that the militias may be active in capitals, peripheral towns, medium-population cities and suburban areas with centralized zones.

The joint report also said North Carolina, Texas, Virginia, California and New Mexico are at moderate risk to experience active militias.

“Militia groups and other armed non-state actors pose a serious threat to the safety and security of American voters,” the study said. “Throughout the summer and leading up to the general election, these groups have become more assertive, with activities ranging from intervening in protests to organizing kidnapping plots targeting elected officials.”

They write that the groups train for urban and rural combat, use propaganda and act as “security operations” for online and in-person events.

“There is an increasing narrative and trend that groups are organizing to ‘supplement’ the work of law enforcement or to place themselves in a narrowly defined ‘public protection’ role in parallel with police departments of a given locale,” the report said.

The report names nine militias as the “most active” in the U.S. that could take action leading up to or after the election, including Three Percenters, Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Light Foot Militia, Civilian Defense Force, American Contingency, Patriot Prayer, Boogaloo Bois and People’s Rights.

Sam Jones, an ACLED spokesman, told USA Today his organization and MilitiaWatch have tracked more than 80 groups since the beginning of the summer, with most being right-wing groups.

"Still, these risks do not mean that violence is inevitable," Jones said. "Voters should not be intimidated. Rather, we hope people are able to use the data to evaluate their own threat environment and organize locally to stay safe, reduce polarization in their communities and, ultimately, mitigate the risk of violence."

The joint report, titled "Standing By: Right-Wing Militia Groups and the U.S. Election," takes its name from President Trump’s comments at the first presidential debate when he was asked to condemn white supremacy and the Proud Boys and responded “stand back and stand by.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/52...med-violence-by

Every state that should be doing the same. For all voters regardless of party. The idea that people can vote by mail a week before the election and potentially not have their vote count is a sad indictment - but don't let that happen. Vote in person, early, and reduce the load on the UPS... helps all round.

Yep. That's why I voted early in person all 7 times.

Yes - the Democratic National Committee made that call and sent it out to volunteers yesterday.

The USPS had said that they need a week to make sure that the ballot reaches its destination in time.

So for states that require the ballot to be "Received" by election date -- people are now supposed to encourage people to drop the ballots off in drop boxes. For states that only require the ballot to be postmarked by election day (Ohio is in that camp -- though it needs to be postmarked by November 2 NOT November 3), people can continue to mail in the ballots for the next few days.

What's the normal response rate for mail-ins? Does this include ballots that have been dropped off?


Still sounds like an improvement over our past performance.

7 down, 12 States to go.

I don't really have a problem with this.

If you are doing mail-in, you know it takes 2-5 days on average for mail to get from point A to point B, depending on size and distance, and you can't count the day you put it in the box.

If you don't mail it at least 1 week before the deadline, you are putting it at risk, that's on the voter.

Do we really want to wait an additional 1-2 weeks to get results? It's already going to take a few extra days since many states won't even start counting the mail-ins until election day.

Election day is really a misnomer. It should be called voting day to be accurate. Election day is actually December 11th.

With the electoral college we are actually not voting for president. We are voting for the people who will vote for president which they do 12/11

Though I agree that the voter should take some responsibility for making sure their vote has a reasonable amount of time to get in.

And yes typically you can count on 2-5 days for mail to be delivered, but with the recent USPS changes who really knows how long it will take?

It's not like people didn't know, didn't have time. There has been plenty of notice and warnings about possible delays.

Maybe it is time adults start acting like responsible adults and take responsibility for their own procrastination.

Thank you!

On a certain level I agree with you. On the other hand I do think that a date should be set firmly with the last date your ballot can be postmarked in order to be counted. I don't think that leaving it up to each individuals discretion to pick a date with which their ballot will return on time is a wise approach.

A firm date would not allow for confusion on the matter.

I cain't vote without meh gun! Murica!

Michigan judge halts Benson's ban on open carry of guns at polling places

Michigan Court of Claims Judge Christopher Murray issued a preliminary injunction Tuesday that effectively halts Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson's directive banning the open carry of guns near polling locations on Election Day.

Attorney General Dana Nessel announced almost immediately after the decision was issued that her office would appeal to the Court of Appeals "as this issue is of significant public interest and importance to our election process."

The edict by Benson "smacks of an attempt at legislation" and lacks public input instead of following the regular rule-making process, Murray said during a Tuesday emergency hearing. Further, the state already has a law prohibiting voter intimidation, said Murray, an appointee of Republican former Gov. John Engler.

"The Legislature has said: Here are the places you cannot carry a weapon," Murray said during the hearing. "The secretary has expanded that. And so how is that in accordance with state law?"

Murray argued Benson could have implemented such a rule over a months-long process, but Nessel's office pushed back.

The need for this directive has grown during the last several weeks, specifically after the details of the alleged plot against Gov. Gretchen Whitmer were revealed, Nessel's representatives argued.

"There's no inconsistency," Assistant Attorney General Heather Meingast said. "There is no affirmative right to open carry in all places at all times.”

House Speaker Lee Chatfield, R-Levering, welcomed the decision, which he framed as a repudiation of administrative overreach.

"Time after time the courts have struck down this administration when it overreaches," Chatfield wrote on Twitter. "Firearms. Line 5. Redistricting. Vaping. Emergency powers. Nobody is above the law. It can’t be sidestepped. We have a democratic process. It needs to be followed."

In his decision, Murray noted that the Democratic secretary of state's prohibition on the open carry of firearms at polling places appeared to be more than an interpretation of existing statute. It was a rule that should be subjected to the rule-making process, he wrote.

"The directive itself covers a substantive policy area — where a resident can openly carry a firearm — and applies to every resident of this state," and implies that law enforcement will be expected to enforce it, Murray wrote.

While state law doesn't grant the right to open carry a firearm, the Second Amendment does in some form and state law provides some prohibitions, the judge said.

"Even if defendant can place additional restrictions on where people can open carry a firearm beyond those contained in statute, it must be done through compliance with the (Administrative Procedures Act)," wrote Murray, noting the rule-making process would require public notice and public comment.

Without an injunction, Murray said, a "single state officer" would effectively be able "to circumvent (and essentially amend) a valid and enforceable state law on the same subject."

"This is certainly not in the public interest, which expects its public officials to follow the rule of law," he wrote.

The decision is unlikely to hurt voters, Murray wrote, because voter intimidation already is banned, open carry already is prohibited in some voting locations, such as churches, and concealed carry is banned in both churches and schools.

State laws passed by the Legislature and signed by the governor "already provide law enforcement with the tools to stop those whose goal it would be to intimidate voters, whether with or without a firearm," Murray wrote.

Serial litigant Robert Davis and Michigan Open Carry, Michigan Gun Owners and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners filed suit against Benson's order banning open carry near polling places, arguing that it conflicts with state law, conflates open carry with voter intimidation and "is conjured without any legal basis or authorization under Michigan law."

The lawsuit alleges the edict creates an ultimatum, the lawsuit said: Either individuals give up a Second Amendment right to bear arms for self-protection or give up their right to vote.

Benson cited her authority as the administrator of elections when she announced Oct. 16 that the open carry of firearms within 100 feet of a polling location, clerk's office or absent voter counting board was prohibited Nov. 3. She is a former dean of the Wayne State University School of Law.

After some police questioned the enforceability of the directive, Nessel said Michigan State Police troopers would enforce the ban where other police departments refused.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/p...ces/3751933001/

I mean... they're not wrong. They can't arbitrarily ban open carry (even in specific areas) when open carry is legal. That said, and more to your point, the fact there's even a fight about this is ridiculous. One could even use it as an argument of why we need stricter gun control.

Almost half, or x number of percentage of mailed out ballots have not been returned?

Yes that certainly fits the narrative as I understand it. The vote will happen, the democrats will lose,

And when it's known "where" the democrats are losing, all of these mail in ballots will show up, all of a sudden, without post mark, (which the courts have rulled must be counted, even if arriving after the election, unless each one can "burden of proof" be proven to have been mailed after the times up, (So a thing with no post mark has to be assumed to have been in on time)

And if the Democrats were losing by 16 000, oh they'll just have their volunteers fill out blank ones with various names that will be too much work to check, like people who moved away or obviously are made up, or people who had died previously,

And if they need 16,000, they'll come up with maybe 45,000 all of a sudden, overnight, and then all of a sudden, 3 days or 3 weeks after voting day, they'll say,
Oh, the dems werent' losing by 16K,they're winning by 29K, and ... as soon as the dems steal the vote, BAM! "were done" "all over" "no more counting, no more looking, it's over, blah blah blah, nothing to see here"

Same thing every time. Evil doesn't follow rules.


The democrats must really be unpopular if they need, so many ballots, (that many un-turned in mail in ballots), to steal these elections.

Because it's going to happen in various states and house and senate races, all over the country, not just one race.

The problem, one of the problems is or will be.

General Election fatigue, that by even after Thanksgiving, when the results are not in, the populous will just be tired of the subject and too easy to accept the stolen results.

Or maybe it won't happen like this, but ... C'mon! We're you alive in 2000, in every presidential election year since?
These shenanigans have become the normal.

Ask Al Franken, who got a senate seat, but it was 2 weeks after election day before he ever got "apparently" a lead in the vote count? and then, BAM! "were done here stop counting, all over nothing to see here"

That's what those who promote gun rights don't understand when they do stupid things like this. It makes them look crazy as hell and turns more people against gun rights. When you look like the lunatic fringe, nobody wants you to have a gun.

Militia leader Stewart Rhodes says that his group will be at polling locations and is ready to kill Democrats

Oath Keepers militia leader Stewart Rhodes said members of his militia will be at polling locations on Election Day to “protect” Trump voters during an appearance on far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones’ program.

After making that claim, Rhodes made a number of unhinged statements, including saying Oath Keepers would follow directives from President Donald Trump to take members of the “deep state” into custody and “do what we have to do,” that Trump should invoke the Insurrection Act before the election, that Oath Keepers will “be in range” of Washington D.C., to stop a “Benghazi-style” attack on the White House on election night, and that a war will have to be fought against Democrats on the West Coast who are “bought” by the Chinese government. Rhodes also hyped the possibility of a second civil war where his “battle-hardened” supporters kill the “street soldiers” and “command and control” of “the radical left.” He later claimed the United States is already in a civil war because “you have sitting politicians who are part of the enemy’s ranks.”

Disturbingly, Rhodes telegraphed how he will interpret election results, saying that he would consider a win by Democratic nominee Joe Biden illegitimate and evidence the election had been stolen, presaging how he and his militia might react to that outcome.

Rhodes’ Oath Keepers militia, which is comprised of “former law enforcement officials and military veterans,” is described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as “one of the largest radical antigovernment groups in the U.S. today.” The Los Angeles Times reported Rhodes has indicated that some Oath Keepers “have signed up as poll watchers, while others plan to monitor the election armed and ‘undercover,’ drawing their weapons if needed.”

During an October 27 appearance on The Alex Jones Show, Rhodes said members of his militia are going to “stand up and protect people on Election Day” at the polls because opponents of Trump will be supposedly “coercing and threatening” his supporters as part of an effort by Democrats to steal the election.

Discussing the “coming civil war,” Rhodes said Trump should “declassify all the secrets” to expose the “deep state” and that then his group will “go and put it to them, and take them into custody and do what we have to do.”

Rhodes said Trump should invoke the Insurrection Act before the election, when “he was the clear, undisputed president of the United States,” in order to stay in power.

Rhodes said his group is “concerned about a Benghazi-style attack” on election night against the White House and that some of his “best men” will be “posted outside of D.C.” and “within range.” He said he does not trust the military because a “stand down order” could be issued that allows the attack to happen. Rhodes said such an attack could result in “the antifa flag or communist flag flying over the White House.”

Jones then raised the prospect of up to 20,000 antifa supporters storming the White House on the night of the election and predicted that would cause the Secret Service to “run out of bullets.” Rhodes said “that’s what we’re concerned about,” claiming the people who would plan an attack on the White House “have a lot of jihadists who are well-trained and experienced in warfare.”

Rhodes said that “bought” Democrats and “leftists” on the West Coast are participants in a proxy war being waged by China against the U.S., saying, “That’s who we are fighting right now on the streets.” (Rhodes and other Oath Keeper supporters have showed up at protests against police brutality carrying weapons.) Rhodes then said, “You got to defeat them in warfare, and then you got to figure out, it’s kind of like with the Founding Fathers dealing with the loyalists, what do you do with these people?”

After Jones asked him about “military rules of engagement,” Rhodes predicted a possible civil war between the right and left and said that “our side will not just go and fight their street soldiers; we will go for their command and control also” because “that’s a smart thing to do in warfare. That’s what’s going to happen.”

Rhodes then said, “We’ve had recent discussions with guys that are special warfare veterans and also current serving. They’re paying very much attention to what’s going on and quite a few of them are waking up. And so it’s not going to be an easy fight for the radical left. They’re going to get swamped with very competent, battle-hardened veterans on our side.”

Rhodes declared that there is already a civil war in the U.S., “because you have sitting politicians who are part of the enemy’s ranks,” adding that “we have 14 million veterans, I believe, at least, a massive pool of combat veterans who are awake and aware.”

Ahead of Election Day, there is mounting concern that firearms will be brought to voting locations and used to intimidate voters. On October 27, a Republican-appointed Michigan judge struck down a directive that prohibited firearms from being openly carried at polling sites in that state after several pro-gun groups filed a lawsuit. Just six states and Washington, D.C., have total bans of firearms at voting locations.

https://www.mediamatters.org/infowars/mi...-and-ready-kill