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cut sendejo.
our defense.....just couldnt stop anything today, even though we didn't give up the usual amount of points. even still, the game was winnable.
Baker mayfield actually had a solid game, but man the OL and his receivers absolutely failed him today.
Jarvis had like 3-4 drops, including a TD. Njoku dropped an easy catch that would've kept a drive alive.
Bryant also fumbled in the 1st quarter.
our defense is injury ridden, and we have a lot of guys starting that wouldn't start on any other team. but still, they got manhandled at the LoS.
we got manhandled at the LoS on both sides of the ball. just straight up bullied.
one team looked like a bad weather team, and the other looked like they play in a dome 8 games a season.
i really dislike i how weak we looked at the point of attack. and i want to re-emphasize this:
Baker showed up to play. pretty much the only one to do so, but this is a team loss.
im looking at Stefanski and Woods at this loss.
all 3 losses so far this season, we couldn't score a TD at all. When we lose, it's the most embarrassing way imaginable. we got to get healthy, and fast.
oh yea, should've resigned schobert. cause our LBs are hot garbage, and there's no way to defend the crap we see from them week in and week out.
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I'm curious if someone would like to look it up...
How many punts have we received in the last 3 games?
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We will get killed by the Ravens and Steelers. We need to aspire to be like them. Another game where our defense did not allow a punt the entire game.
If it's not Chaos, it's not Cleveland.
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5-3 going into the bye with the schedule we have remaining is not a bad spot to be in.
Our defense folded. We had no chance at stopping the run and Carr thrives on shorts passes. A recipe for disaster (we also dropped an easy INT that would have been six).
It seemed like going into the game we took passing off the table because of the weather and then later in the game when we had to pass we were able.
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Ok were 5-3 two weeks to get completely healthy, Chubb, Tiller and Hooper will be back maybe we beef up the D before the trade deadline
Just a Bad day
Can't wait to get Chubb back
A lot of drops today
Defense SMH
Joe Woods Needs to look into what he is doing
No Myles Garrett
Kareem Hunt is very good but will be even better with Chubb
Going into the bye feeling ok with where we are except the Defense Please Berry do Something
Overall OL did ok no sacks and 4.6 YPC
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We will get killed by the Ravens and Steelers. We need to aspire to be like them. Another game where our defense did not allow a punt the entire game. They punted once and this is the NFL anyone can beat anyone on any given Sunday look at the Bengals beating Tennessee today ..
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Frustration squared.
LOS loss. Time of possession loss.
Drops.
The one thing that stood out to me was our linebacker play.
Horrible read/react. Taki? Wilson?
I mean damn make a damn play.
In the end the drops killed us. But you don't win weather games like this when you get beat up-front.
This game was winnable but not the way we played.
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Out defense is bad.
It may as well not even take the field without Garrett. For real.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Ward did make a nice play stripping the Ball but everyone stood and watched the Raiders recover it
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- The defense is absolutely atrocious. Only forced 1 punt in the last 8 quarters of football.
- Landry with a couple of big drops. Bryant with the fumble. Njoku with a big drop.
- The Browns are a very average team that will beat the bad and mediocre teams.
- The Browns never win the statement games. Could've moved to 6-2 and solidified a playoff spot, instead they lose and more questions are raised.
- The defense needs completely overhauled.
- Killed in the time of possession.
- I never thought I'd be so bored watching a 5-2 Browns team. Never felt like they were in this one emotionally.
- This team really needs the bye right now.
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One of those days where we couldnt catch a break ... nor did we have much will power to stop their run
Sadly, I don’t see any easy answers in that regard. Teams that can be physical with us thus far have dominated us
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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In hindsight, we could have played the hurt up offense all second half, at least to shake things up.
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I still laugh that some people were glad we didn't make Schoebert one of the highest paid linebackers in the league.
Bottom line is we should have, it's not my money. People just need to let the whole overpaid thing go.
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One of those days where we couldnt catch a break ... nor did we have much will power to stop their run You say willpower, I say we don't have enough good players.
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They are the Clevelan Browns. No D.
There will be no playoffs. Can’t play with who we have out there and compounding it with garbage playcalling and worse execution. We don’t have good skill players on offense period. Browns 20 - Bears 17.
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The whole team was flat, outside of Hunt and Baker at times. It looked like nobody really wanted to be there, they were all going through the motions, and like they didn't care about winning. I felt like I was watching the hopeless teams from before this season. It sucked.
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They are the Clevelan Browns. No D. well, at least we go our 'W' back at some point; I was happy to retire that t-shirt.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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One of those days where we couldnt catch a break ... nor did we have much will power to stop their run You say willpower, I say we don't have enough good players. How many teams have a shut down corner and dominant pass rusher?
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I tend to be weird and listen to Jim & Doug and watch with a delay. I can't remember how many times the past couples weeks Jim D said "almost intercepted by the Browns. Last week Mitchell & this week Harrison I think.
Also does anyone else think we tend to tackle too much by just lowering our shoulder trying to bump the player down. I swear teams must average 5 yards per play after contact.
It is a game of inches sometimes. On the fumble, the lone Raider recovered among 3-4 Browns.
This may sound stupid but the Browns looked like they thought they could just show up and win.
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One of those days where we couldnt catch a break ... nor did we have much will power to stop their run You say willpower, I say we don't have enough good players. How many teams have a shut down corner and dominant pass rusher? Not many. But many teams have above average players as depth. We have linebackers that are all backup quality and one of the worst players in the league at safety..
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There's a coaching aspect to this.
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There's a coaching aspect to this. To some degree, yes. But if you don't have the players then it's hard to do what you want. Getting killed at the line of scrimmage versus a team missing two starting tackles is not a coaching issue, it's a talent issue.
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Drops killed drives.
Fumble killed a drive.
Penalties on Wills killed field position three times.
They had back ups all over the line, yet when Garret went out they could do nothing.
We have no linebackers that are good. Berry needs to rethink the value of good linebackers. We haven't had a stud for years. We need an enforcer in the middle. Once the ball passes the line of scrimmage, we are cooked.
Our running game is still decent, but with Hooper, Teller, and Chubb, it can be dominate.
Defense lost this game
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When is Chubb coming back?
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When is Chubb coming back? There is a chance he is back for our next game.
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When is Chubb coming back? There is a chance he is back for our next game. Correct. Possible, not necessarily likely.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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and Freddie pops a cold one; toasts Hue.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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That's what happens when you have no defense,
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It turns out that it's hard to score when you don't have the ball.
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What was the TOP discrepancy?
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Drops killed drives.
Fumble killed a drive.
Penalties on Wills killed field position three times.
They had back ups all over the line, yet when Garret went out they could do nothing.
We have no linebackers that are good. Berry needs to rethink the value of good linebackers. We haven't had a stud for years. We need an enforcer in the middle. Once the ball passes the line of scrimmage, we are cooked.
Our running game is still decent, but with Hooper, Teller, and Chubb, it can be dominate.
Defense lost this game Nail. Head. I didn't see them do anything when MG was in to be honest. Very disappointing all round. Good time to have a week off.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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We will get killed by the Ravens and Steelers. We need to aspire to be like them. Another game where our defense did not allow a punt the entire game. I think there was one in the first quarter
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In 30 seasons?
And that's a talent thing?
LOL
So we've had many, many seasons where we didn't have 1 all pro caliber player on the D much less two, and this has never happened?
Sorry, it's not all talent.
I'm not calling for Woods head but he's gone the entire season without anyone looking at him.
You have some good players on D. I probably count 5 that would start on most other teams. You went up against a very average QB and RB today and they made you look foolish.
And that's all talent?
Not buying it.
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In 30 seasons?
And that's a talent thing?
LOL
So we've had many, many seasons where we didn't have 1 all pro caliber player on the D much less two, and this has never happened?
Sorry, it's not all talent.
I'm not calling for Woods head but he's gone the entire season without anyone looking at him.
You have some good players on D. I probably count 5 that would start on most other teams. You went up against a very average QB and RB today and they made you look foolish.
And that's all talent?
Not buying it. There's a coaching aspect to this. To some degree, yes.
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What was the TOP discrepancy? LVR - 37:43 CLE - 22:17
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This defenxe depends too much on the Dline getting home. The linebackers are horrible
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What's nutty is that LVR only had 7 drives. For comparison, The Rams (16 drives) and Miami (14 drives) each had more drives today than the Browns and Raiders combined.
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This defenxe depends too much on the Dline getting home. The linebackers are horrible The linebackers are the main problem. We can't get pressure on short passes like the Raiders killed us with today. Their receivers did nothing. They killed us on passes to the tight end and screens to the running backs. We also had no chance at stopping the run. Their offensive line destroyed us.
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