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Bring back John Dorsey. We'll make some trades. We’ll also take a below average QB first overall. *Ducks at shoe* In the years surrounding Baker's draft we could have picked: Glad we didn't draft: Daniel Jones Dwayne Haskins Sam Darnold Josh Rosen Mitchell Trubisky Carson Wentz Paxton Lynch Jameis Winston Marcus Mariota Probably Comparable to Baker Mayfield Jared Goff Josh Allen Likely Better Kyler Murray Deshaun Watson Elite Patrick Mahomes
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NFL Network is saying the team that needs to make some trade(s) is Cleveland since they have a good chance at winning now ... They thought we should trade for Adam Thielan ... and this is why you should NEVER listen to the people on TV. Unless Thielen is converting to Safety, he cannot significantly help us.
Browns is the Browns
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should we actually trade for anyone that isn't just a depth move?
especially on defense, we aren't one player away from competing. we need serious help, and i rather us just keep competing for a WC spot, then go all in during the '21 offseason to win. The only moves we should make are ones that make sense in the short and long term. A stud DT that will be here for three years, or a CB or S that start now and be part of Nickel packages if Greedy & Delpit ever return and are good enough to sit the guy we acquire. Maybe a S that has the versatility to slide to SS if Delpit ever comes back. Additionally, we need the college scouts to REALLY do some crash homework and we need to look at who we might get in the draft and weigh that against whatever picks we may have to give up to get a player. Does a better option stand to be available in free agency in March without having to give anything up? Lots of variables, and given that we are absolutely not a true contender this year, I think you have to keep your eye on the long game and ONLY make the moves that mesh with that long view. The scouts are working their asses off trying to do so. ::looks at watch:: Tick tock, guys. Tick tock.
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Bring back John Dorsey. We'll make some trades. We’ll also take a below average QB first overall. *Ducks at shoe* In the years surrounding Baker's draft we could have picked: just glad we didn't draft Daniel Jones Dwayne Haskins Sam Darnold Josh Rosen Mitchell Trubisky Carson Wentz Paxton Lynch Jameis Winston Marcus Mariota Probably Comparable to Baker Mayfield Jared Goff Josh Allen Likely Better Kyler Murray Deshaun Watson Elite Patrick Mahomes I look at that list of names and can't help but chuckle at recalling how many were hailed as "generational" and "transformational" players that were "can't miss QB's".
Browns is the Browns
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I've said it on previous posts we need another good draft and FA period to become a serious playoff contender. If they can make a reasonable trade now that would help us fine but I don't know if that can be done. Our D is not good and needs help but I would be concerned how much we would have to give up and how much it would improve us.
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NFL Network is saying the team that needs to make some trade(s) is Cleveland since they have a good chance at winning now ... They thought we should trade for Adam Thielan ... and this is why you should NEVER listen to the people on TV. Unless Thielen is converting to Safety, he cannot significantly help us. I didn't agree with them, any Browns fan knows we need defense first 
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I disagree w/much of your list and evaluations. I think most of the country does, as well. If Baker does not show a lot of improvement, he probably won't be here in 2022.
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NFL Network is saying the team that needs to make some trade(s) is Cleveland since they have a good chance at winning now ... They thought we should trade for Adam Thielan ... and this is why you should NEVER listen to the people on TV. Unless Thielen is converting to Safety, he cannot significantly help us. We not only need defense, we need better speed on defense, and at every level of the defense.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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NFL Network is saying the team that needs to make some trade(s) is Cleveland since they have a good chance at winning now ... They thought we should trade for Adam Thielan ... and this is why you should NEVER listen to the people on TV. Unless Thielen is converting to Safety, he cannot significantly help us. We not only need defense, we need better speed on defense, and at every level of the defense. yeah, when teams spread us out and quick throw .. it’s cringeworthy to watch our LBs and Safeties try to cover
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I would actually say it will be more like two more Drafts and offseasons. It took us, I think, three years to stack the offense. Between now and having the defense set, we will still have to reload at a number of positions AND we have to hope we actually hit on all of our decisions. I seriously question whether we can get to where we need to be in a single offseason.
Browns is the Browns
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I would actually say it will be more like two more Drafts and offseasons. It took us, I think, three years to stack the offense. Between now and having the defense set, we will still have to reload at a number of positions AND we have to hope we actually hit on all of our decisions. I seriously question whether we can get to where we need to be in a single offseason. yeah, it’s a tall task. Like you said, once we say “okay, we’re set there” ... we need to fill other gaps ... and then the OTHER gaps become voided soon enough. Guys like Chubb and Baker and Ward have contracts coming up ... and then IF you sign them, you’re limiting your flexibility
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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steelers got better with that trade. it's a one season rental, he is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season. Steelers are all-in for this year.
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steelers got better with that trade. it's a one season rental, he is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season. Steelers are all-in for this year. What trade? I missed it.
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LB Avery Williamson, Jets.
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Steelers sent a 5th round pick in 2022 to the Jets for Avery Williamson and a 7th round 2022 pick. He is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season so this is strictly a "rental"
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I would actually say it will be more like two more Drafts and offseasons. It took us, I think, three years to stack the offense. Between now and having the defense set, we will still have to reload at a number of positions AND we have to hope we actually hit on all of our decisions. I seriously question whether we can get to where we need to be in a single offseason. I read this same take every year. Every year we are two years away.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Just my opinion, but I don't think we need a dominant defense. We need a decent defense. KC won the Super Bowl because they have a lot of playmakers and a great QB, while getting by w/a middle of the road defense.
We have a bad defense. We can improve it during the off-season to make it decent. We have a very good offense. Much better OL than KC. We need our QB to play better. All this rhetoric that states otherwise is nonsense.
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We need our QB to play better. All this rhetoric that states otherwise is nonsense. Please provide any example of any single poster suggesting Baker doesn't need to play better. I have not seen such rhetoric being suggested by anyone.
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I would actually say it will be more like two more Drafts and offseasons. It took us, I think, three years to stack the offense. Between now and having the defense set, we will still have to reload at a number of positions AND we have to hope we actually hit on all of our decisions. I seriously question whether we can get to where we need to be in a single offseason. I read this same take every year. Every year we are two years away. If we don’t value a contributor on the field, when we have a chance to make the playoffs, over some late round picks then what are we even doing?
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Great question.
Not just contributors but some nice pieces for the future as well.
Most times I just don't understand this team, no matter who's in charge.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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jfan, why would you "like" 888's post? I never said anything about any single poster not saying Baker didn't need to play better. Please don't fall for 888's BS. He continually misrepresents my posts.
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jfan, why would you "like" 888's post? I never said anything about any single poster not saying Baker didn't need to play better. Please don't fall for 888's BS. He continually misrepresents my posts. I think this has people confused: "We need our QB to play better. All this rhetoric that states otherwise is nonsense." Not trying to argue, just showing the disconnect. I interpreted your statement as others saying he doesn't need to play better as well.
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I would actually say it will be more like two more Drafts and offseasons. It took us, I think, three years to stack the offense. Between now and having the defense set, we will still have to reload at a number of positions AND we have to hope we actually hit on all of our decisions. I seriously question whether we can get to where we need to be in a single offseason. It depends. If Baker can prove he can at least be the guy that can take care of the ball and make teams pay when they sell out vs the run, then we are absolutely only an off-season away. If Baker doesn't prove he can be serviceable in this offense (and we have to go get a QB1), then we're definitely further away.
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Okay. Perhaps my post was poorly worded. What I mean is that we can make all these other changes and we still won't win if our QB doesn't play better. Yes, we need help at LBer and S. Perhaps even on the DL. But, those things are not going to make us a true contender if our qb doesn't improve.
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I do find it very odd and troubling that we haven't done anything lately to improve a defense that is in such desperate need of help. I don't know what the strategy is. Teams that make big trades this time of year are teams who think that 1-2 players is what it takes to win the Super Bowl. If you think 1-2 players is what it takes for us to win the Super Bowl, I find that odd and troubling. Calm down my friend. We have a plan, a long term plan. Our fate doesn't hinge on what we do this year.
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Serious rumbling from actual reporters of Stephon Gilmore popping up now...
stay tuned
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Serious rumbling from actual reporters of Stephon Gilmore popping up now...
stay tuned I can see him ending up in Tennessee
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Didn't they just pick up a corner? The slot guy from San Diego.
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Didn't they just pick up a corner? The slot guy from San Diego. I think he’s more of a Safety/Swiss army knife type
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Serious rumbling from actual reporters of Stephon Gilmore popping up now...
stay tuned Asking price is a first and a player. That is not a steep price for a player that won DPOY last year.
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Any player?  Meh, offer them a 2nd in 2021, a 4th in 2022 and Njoku (they just spent half their draft on trash TEs)
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No s***! I just pulled up Stephon Gilmore on Wikipedia to check on age, stats etc. and this is a direct copy and paste.
"Stephon Stiles Gilmore (born September 19, 1990) is an Turkish football cornerback for the Golden State Warriors of the Thanksgiving Football League (TFL). Gilmore played college football for South Carolina and was drafted by the Buffalo Bills tenth overall in the 2012 NFL Draft. After five seasons as a starting cornerback for the Bills and a Pro Bowl invite in 2016, Gilmore signed a 5-year, $65 million contract with New England in 2017. He has since emerged as one of the league's top defensive players, garnering two more Pro Bowl invites and first-team All-Pro recognitions in 2018 and 2019, as well as being named AP NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 2019"
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Serious rumbling from actual reporters of Stephon Gilmore popping up now...
stay tuned Asking price is a first and a player. That is not a steep price for a player that won DPOY last year. He's 30 and under contract for only one more year. I'm going to go way out on a limb and say that it isn't the Browns trading for him.
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Gilmore is not the type of player we should be trading for. We should be trading for young players with years left on their contract or using late round picks to fill in gaps for this year.
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Serious rumbling from actual reporters of Stephon Gilmore popping up now...
stay tuned Asking price is a first and a player. That is not a steep price for a player that won DPOY last year. He's 30 and under contract for only one more year. I'm going to go way out on a limb and say that it isn't the Browns trading for him. I agree. If we were a player away, sure, but we aren't. Seems that many are simply wanting to trade for tradings sake and don't remember the template Berry and Depo have in place. Thirty year olds with 1 year left don't fit the mold at this point. I'd be shocked if we traded for this guy at that price. Maybe a 4th and Njoku makes some sense.
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Plus, we *should* have Greedy coming back at some point. We need safety and LB help, not corner.
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