DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum The Top 3 Picks of 2018 and Their 5th Year Option

Shoot, I would assume a future yet to be made decision.

I have no information on this, but I imagine that Berry will be the lead, but the owners, other FO personnel, and the offensive coaching staff will all have input. It is a huge decision.

Agreed.. but in the end I think it will be a Berry and Stef decision as it should be. Haslam will most likely want a say, I hope that gets "sorta" listened to and a football decision is made by the 2 pros Berry and Stef.

Having said all this.. whats Berry's track record? Has he blown the big decisions or not? Or is there even enough of a record to base our "guesses" on?

Obviously we wait till the season is done and see what we have to work with as far as the timing goes.

First time GM. Hard to say.

We wait.

The article is not saying we would just let him go. It's saying that we may or may not pick-up his 5th year option in May. Baker would still be under contract next year.

after seeing this list and the salaries in 2022... pick him up for the 5th year option which will be year 3 for him in the same system.

Kirk Cousins $45,000,000
Matt Ryan $41,662,500
Deshaun Watson $40,400,000
Aaron Rodgers $39,852,000
Russell Wilson $37,000,000
Ryan Tannehill $34,000,000
Jared Goff $32,625,000
Patrick Mahomes $31,450,000
Carson Wentz $31,274,536
Jimmy Garoppolo $27,000,000
Teddy Bridgewater $26,000,000
Matt Stafford $26,000,000
Alex Smith $25,300,000
Derek Carr $19,877,519


22 million would make him the 14th rated QB contract in the NFL. that gives us an additional year to figure out where we are with him when we have about 94 million in space.


We will have to decide on Ward and Chubb too

That kind of money is just crazy in my opinion. For any of them.

No wonder there are so many commercials and ticket prices go up every year.

Where are you getting $22 million from? The number was $25--$26 million.

It would be $25 or so million.

That said, it doesn't matter all that much. QB's make a ton no matter how we cut it. We are going to have to pay somebody.

At this point I don't think his play is costing us games, so I suspect we sign him to a 5th year.

We'll know more as the rest of this season plays out.

my error.

realistically, he only moves up one spot.

Too be fair, after all the restructuring with high end QB contracts is done this off season, it may very well be closer to $22.

To be even more fair, Baker is going to have to play better to get that extension. It is illogical to pay a bottom tier qb that kind of money.

The best part is that it's up to Baker. If he performs adequately, he will get extended. Some seem to want to reward him no matter what, but I doubt analytical types agree w/that strategy.

Interesting thread, it's almost like I am re-reading the same thing that's been said many times before but with a very slightly different spin. Almost.

On this item here - I have not seen anyone suggest what you wrote. Did I miss something? Can you please provide an example?

In fairness, there won't be one. The only opinions that matter are the opinions in our front office.

Berry has been questioned about this and declined to comment at this time. I don't see that as an indication one way or the other.

There won't be one what?

I do agree you w/that the only opinions that matter come from the decision makers in the Brown's organization.

I do think Berry's refusal to comment on the extension carries some weight. Stephen Jones just came out and said the Cowboys won't be drafting a qb and that they are bringing Dak back. Last year, there was no doubt about extending Watson and Mahomes. I think the original article in this thread was correct in that Baker is being given the opportunity to earn the extension. I don't think the Browns will just give it to him like Super, Rish, etc have said, but I do think the Browns are hoping that Baker does play well enough to "earn" the extension.

That's all well and good, but if the FA/draft QB class ends up being as bare as some are saying it will, then what? You get rid of Baker with nothing to fill his spot except for Keenum.

oober, he would still be under contract next year. That was explained in the OP and I repeated a couple of times since then.

Btw.....Todd McShay just said there could be 5 QBs taken in round 1 this year. But again......Baker would still be under contract next year even if the Browns don't extend him in May.

Just heard that the Jets will probably take Lawrence if they have the #1 overall pick and look to trade Darnold. Graziano said they would probably get a 3rd round pick for him.

Nearly every Browns fan does ! LOL ... smh.

Gah... I keep forgetting that part....

Still, QBs don't grow on trees. I hate creating holes in the roster when we don't have a replacement ready to go. QB wouldn't be any different.

Baker can still do enough to convince the organization that he deserves the extension the rest of this year. Again, I think it's pretty obvious that is how the FO is looking at the situation.

He would also have all of next year to prove he is the right guy to move forward with. The Browns would also have time to find a replacement if he doesn't prove to be worth the investment. I think the Browns are handling this the right way. I do understand that some fans don't agree w/that, but again, it's not about what the fans think. It's about what the organization thinks.

They would be wise to take Lawrence (or another QB if they draft first). With that said, Darnold is still really talented and has been in basically the worst situation possible. Every team should trade a third round pick for him.

Yes you want to see how good he is let him go to NewEngland after they draft Waddle and sign Ross then we get to draft the next Kiser.

The Jets traded up to 3 to get Darnold. I can't remember what they gave up, but it probably wasn't cheap. Crazy Gase is their HC. The Bell situation. Players wanting out. What a mess.

Jets shipped the #6 overall and (3) second round picks.

Ouch! Especially if they only get a 3rd back. Although Graziano did add someone might give up a second.

I know. Sounded pretty steep at the time... but you know... "Hey, they got their franchise QB!"

We traded a lot of our 1st round picks for next to nothing also. Or we just released them. I can count about 7 or 8 that fall in that category.

I have a feeling Baker will be just fine here. He needs to settle into 1 system for a year or two.

I can't see Darnold going for even a 3rd at this rate.

Rosen went for a 2nd after his rookie year. Darnold will be in year 4 and essentially on a one-year deal before a team would haave to pay him or let him walk.

Seriously, no one is giving a 2nd round pick for that. I'd ggive a 4th based on his potential and the fact that he would at least be a decent back up.

888, I do not think anyone wants to reward Baker “no matter what”. Many think that with consistent tutelage and working the same system for consecutive years that Baker can develop into a solid qb. Each decision like this has a number of factors. For the jets darnold has missed about 20-25% of his games the past three years while baker has answered the bell every game I think. I think baker is a little better statistically, but most important the jets are in line to take the next great qb in the draft. Those who suggest we may need to move on from baker offer no reasonable alternative for us. Who takes over as our qb? If free agents were having success they would not be free agents.

One question. Some are proposing that we let him play out his contract without picking up the optional fifth year. I am not sure how that works. If we do that and he lights it up in year four, his second year in the same system, can we pick up that option at the end of the season or his he a free agent at that point? The answer to that question would also play in to the equation.

My opinion, darnold is gone and the draft the best qb in the draft. We extend baker and play the long game with the hope he continues to develop into the qb we need.

Also, I think the best qb will be Justin fields.

j/c:

Hard for me to understand how some posters act like all of this news is being manufactured by posters. There has been talk of this in the media and the OP confirms that. Also, Berry refused to comment on the status of the extension. This is not about a poster simply suggesting what he would do.

I have no idea if the Browns will pick up the extension or not, but suggesting this is an agenda from a poster carries zero weight. Berry could have quashed the talk by saying "we plan on extending Baker in May." He chose to not comment on that. The article by Graziano that started this thread talked about the Browns wanting to Baker to be the guy, but they need to see how he plays for the rest of the season.

That's not about the opinions of posters. It's about how the organization views the situation. The opinions of us posters have nothing to do w/what is transpiring.

I think everyone knows it is the organizations decision. We are not voting the decision on dawg talkers. Many are just stating their opinion about whether he will get the option year. And you are right, part of the decision is his performance the rest of the year. But they must also consider alternatives if he is not the guy. I am curious about his status at the end of year four if we do not pick up his option.

There does seem to be a certain casual reaction to baker turning out not to be the guy. But if we start back at square one with another rookie we Have set ourselves back again in our pursuit of a super bowl. Every browns fan should be hoping baker succeeds because if he does we do.

I don't think Vers or anyone else is talking about letting Barker go. At least anytime soon.

I was and still am "in" on Baker. However, that could change.

There are three options for the FO as it pertains to Baker, short of cutting him.

1. Work to sign him to an extension now.

2. Take the 5th year option and either try to sign him or let him go to FA.

3. Don't exercise his option and try to sign him to a extension or let him hit free agency.

There are risks associated with all of those.

It is against the rules for Baker to sign an extension right now.

I think it will be an organizational decision in regards to giving Baker the extension or not. So, I wouldn't say Berry would be fired for it.

I do think that this is a very big decision for the Browns. There are risks no matter what they do. They will come under fire if they choose to not offer him an extension and then lose Baker in 2022 while not acquiring a suitable replacement. On the other hand, if they pay him $25-$26 million per year and he continues to be a bottom tier qb like he has been for the past 1.5 years, they will be in a very bad situation.

The NFL has changed. Gone are the days of teams waiting around forever for a qb to develop. QBs must now prove themselves while on their rookie deal because of the various financial ramifications. There are similar conversations being held w/both Darnold and Daniel Jones right now. And Jones was a year behind Darnold and Baker.

Yes, right now. I don't think so after the season, which is more what I meant. Sorry if it was unclear