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Weird because it seems like most people on here get it from their family members.

I haven't looked at this in-depth but I think it would take into account that this is where they got the infection and brought it into the house. I think it measures the mushroom of cases and not just the person to person spread.

I have seen that once in the household that 50% of people who live there get infected

j/c

I hate to say this for fear of jinxing my parents, but, weeks after not having the virus but dealing with the after effects, they are starting to come around.

I, and a niece and nephew, did their leaves for what we hope is the last time, on Tuesday. Dad was outside, 'directing', which has not been the norm over the last few weeks.

Mom even made it outside for what amounted to perhaps a 100 yard walk. It was good to see.

What sucked was telling my 78 year old dad that his friend, and my acquaintance, 56 years old, had died that morning. Definitely from covid.



Neighbor's son had it, and recovered no problem. He's 32. His mom and dad though, are now in quarantine. They feel fine, but can't go anywhere. And the dad is our pastor. I drove my mower over to talk to him tonight as he was using a tractor to spread stone on his drive. He and his wife are feeling 100% normal. The son was able to go back to work Tuesday.

The virus is out there, no doubt. And, it's doing right now what we were told it months ago it would do: spread. Here, in Europe also. Wonder about Africa, and Asia, and Australia?

But, it's doing exactly what we were told it would do. It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

And/Or close friends...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/11/12/covid-social-gatherings/#comments-wrapper

163k cases, 1100 deaths. We must be Tokyo drifting around that corner trump was talking about.

Where’s he been, anyway?

We had a record number of single day cases in NH yesterday.

And trump is in his bunker. You know “Evil Dictatorships” usually end in a bunker.

He never cared about US citizens dying why start now?

That's my thinking as well... And lets be clear, when you talk about how you think a candidate would handle a crisis, it should be clear that it's not a manufactured crisis like Trump did

Doesn't matter where Trump is. No matter what he does or doesn't do, you can count on it being detrimental to the country.

I agree, He's already setting things in motion to start a Digital company and Cable news network. I guess he's mad at FOX again.

Just like always, if a person or entity supported him yesterday but doesn't like what hes doing today, he throws them under a bus.

Without Fox, Trump never becomes president in 2017.. But now, because they decided to call Arizona for Biden, and a few other things he didn't like, he's on the outs with them.

So suddenly the news is all about covid and businesses going under... whatever will we do about Bob's Diner never coming back?... but the GOPers are not passing a stimulus package because they would rather watch it all burn down. All those blaming Pelosi for holding her ground for more money are soon going to find out that the price tag of saving the economy is going up every day and some tax break for the rich or stock market bailout isn't going to save working class people and small businesses.

In 08 when Bush's economy crashed, it cost me a business that I did all I could to hang onto and try to save. There was NO BAILOUT for the little guy then, and I don't think anybody should expect one now. Trump doesn't give a damn about us, and helping doesn't seem to be on anybody's radar on the right. But maybe we will get some more Trumpian judges pushed through...

smh

He’ll likely continue to play golf to try to take in more personal profits before he’s sent to the curb.
https://trumpgolfcount.com/?fbclid=IwAR2aRenBmjZdOgrCY_8Niu-vQa0mBdcm498JyvP9XDZK50vUuXECvwKl_ng

AP/NYTimes/NBC and others have finish calling every state:

Georgia, Arizona for Biden
Alaska, North Carolina for Trump

Final Count: Biden 306 Trump 232

By his own words he got beat by a landslide. Plus he’s now lost the popular vote three times. What a loser.

November 13, 2020


Dr. Death on Biden's COVID task force?

By Veronika Kyrylenko

Imagine your children being educated by teachers who hate children, your lawyer being an anarchist, or a soldier rooting for the enemy. Imagine a doctor who believes it's not worth living a very long life being on the board of COVID task force. That would be nonsense, right?

Yet here we are. Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, one of ten advisory board members named to self-identified president-elect Joe Biden's coronavirus task force, is not a fan of seniors. In his essay "Why I hope to die at 75," he argues that "living too long ... robs us of our creativity and ability to contribute to work, society, the world. It transforms how people experience us, relate to us, and, most important, remember us." How ironic and bizarre is it that Dr. Emanuel accepted the position to advise an evidently declining 77-year-old about the virus that infects and threatens the lives of the elderly much more than any other age group?

The beliefs of Dr. Emanuel are astounding and reminiscent of the works of early eugenics theorists like Francis Galton, who, influenced by Charles Darwin's theory of natural selection, advocated a system that would allow "the more suitable races or strains of blood a better chance of prevailing speedily over the less suitable." Following the most vulgar social Darwinism, which claims that life for humans in society is ruled by "survival of the fittest," Dr. Emanuel's disdain for the elderly is shocking. In his essay, to validate his points, he on several occasions quotes a famous Canadian eugenicist, Sir William Osler, who, among other things, remarked that men older than 60 years not only should be retired, but be chloroformed (!). After the infamous speech that contained those suggestions, a term, Oslerize, became a synonym for "euthanize." Given the evident admiration that Dr. Emanuel demonstrates for Osler, I would not let him around my grandparents any more than I would let Joe Biden around my children.

In his essay, Dr. Emanuel agrees with his predecessor that, for example, pneumonia may well be called the "friend of the aged" due to its acute, short, often not painful nature, when "the old man escapes those 'cold gradations of decay.'" "My Osler-inspired philosophy is this," wrote Dr. Emanuel — "[a]t 75 and beyond, I will need a good reason to even visit the doctor and take any medical test or treatment, no matter how routine and painless." Further, he argues that he would stop getting any regular preventive tests, screenings, or interventions, including colonoscopies and other cancer screenings and flu shots, and also no ventilators (!), dialysis, surgery, antibiotics, or any other medication — "in short, no life-sustaining interventions."

Now, I rarely use examples of my personal life experience in my writing, but does not the doctor's philosophy speak to every single one of us? Does it not insult our sense of respect and gratitude to our parents and grandparents, whose lives Dr. Emanuel views as inferior, worthless, pathetic? My grandparents survived Hitler, Stalin, and the rest of the USSR leaders. They survived World War II and post-war devastation. Naturally, both of them had illnesses, and they passed when they were in their early 80s. I cannot envision my childhood without their care and love, my grandma's unmatched cooking, my granddad's stories, games, and walks, as both of my parents worked full-time. The way I remember them is nothing like what Dr. Emanuel pictures: not old and frail, but always supportive and optimistic. Not a burden, but a vital part of my family that practically raised me and contributed to the core of my identity. Perhaps almost all Americans have similar stories. Unlike cynical and strictly utilitarian doctors and politicians, many believe in an absolute value of human life no matter how young or old it may be.

On November 9, America rejoiced at Pfizer's and BioNTech's coronavirus vaccine having moved a step closer to approval, with the company announcing 90-percent efficacy in its Phase 3 clinical trial. Not so fast, Dr. Emanuel would say. According to a policy report published in Science magazine that he co-authored with 18 other public health experts and that laid out an "ethical framework" called the "Fair Priority Model," we should follow a "fair international distribution of vaccine" rather than what he and his co-authors characterized as "vaccine nationalism." "Reasonable national partiality does not permit retaining more vaccine than the amount needed to keep the rate of transmission (Rt) below 1, when that vaccine could instead mitigate substantial COVID-19-related harms in other countries that have been unable to keep Rt below 1 through ongoing public-health efforts," the "experts" argue. "Associative ties only justify a government's giving some priority to its own citizens, not absolute priority," they believe. The globalist tendency to hold American interests secondary to everyone else's is certainly upsetting but not surprising.

And isn't it all such a striking contrast to President Trump's stance on taking care of the most vulnerable Americans first? After recovering from COVID, the first thing he did was to address his "favorite people in the world — the seniors," saying he wants them to get the same incredible care that he got — for free. Seniors and people in private health insurance plans are among those who won't be charged for getting a coronavirus vaccine under a Trump administration rule designed to ensure that as many people as possible get vaccinated once a shot becomes available. Health and Human Services secretary Alex Azar commented: "Protecting the vulnerable has been the number one priority of the Trump Administration's response to COVID-19, and that commitment will continue through distributing a safe and effective vaccine earliest to those who need it most." Earlier, he noted that the U.S. will share any coronavirus vaccine it develops with other countries after American needs are met and that the U.S. will not coordinate with the World Health Organization on distribution. "Our first priority of course is to develop and produce enough quantities of safe and effective FDA-approved vaccines and therapeutics for use in the United States."

The U.S. government has already purchased for $1.95 billion — for Americans, on Americans' money — 100 million doses of the vaccine, but Joe Biden's advisers propose that a part of them be redistributed. Those are the same people who shed crocodile tears over the "empty chairs in the kitchens and dining rooms," who called Trump-supporters a "death cult" and "grandma-killers."

Now, combine the leftist eugenics that views the lives of seniors as a nuisance with globalism that prioritizes financial interests of the global elites over their people, and you get a Malthusian Utopia where the "useless" population would be wiped out in order to preserve shrinking natural resources. Add to this Joe Biden's intent to impose more lockdowns on the economy, which has already been hard hit and just begun to recover. Getting rid of the "ballast" that does not produce anything, but only consumes, would make sense. I pray that it all remains their sick, inhumane dream that never comes true, with the election results leaving Joe Biden and his team where they belong — in the dustbin of history.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/dr_death_on_bidens_covid_task_force.html

Dr. Death... lmao

This from the party whose POTUS routinely down played the virus saying it only kills old and sick people... But no low too low for Fish and the GOPers... Sounds like a band name huh?

Not true with our church, NOT ONE person has contracted COVID 19, yes we have taken precautions but still no cases ...

There might be a Jewish nose joke here but im not going there. I will not go there . Whatever you are thinking thats on you

Pandemics and climate change should have never become political, but

North Dakota hospitals are at capacity. 9 out of the top 10 states with the largest covid outbreaks, per capita, voted trump. Things are about to get real bad, I expect many states to have a stay at home order in the coming weeks.

Serious question, why does the Republican Party continually deny science?

Because they have a beef with educated people. The ‘college indoctrinated libtards’ aren’t going to tell them what to do.
They think it’s alpha to not fear a deadly virus.

You mean the college indoctrinated libtards running Congress? Or the ones super spreading in the riots?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-backlash-planning-fancy-dinner-democrats

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/11/lock-yourself-down-now/617106/

MAN I'm so glad this thing is going away now that the election is behind us.

#roundingthecurve
#deathtolldonny

Not just that... Trump and Trump supporters are the absolute LAST people that can criticize for personnel selections.

they will continue to do so.

As we close in on 250k dead Americans due to covid on trumps watch.

Trump tweets......

“Another Vaccine just announced. This time by Moderna, 95% effective. For those great “historians”, please remember that these great discoveries, which will end the China Plague, all took place on my watch!"


LOL he’ll be remembered alright. And historians won’t be kind to trump because he says so. And if historians truly research they’ll find Obama and Biden put forth the infrastructure and technology for rapid vaccine development long before trump came along and screwed over 250,000 families by calling this a hoax and saying stupid crap like it would go away by summer.

I am no Trump fan, no doubt. I think he has handled the whole pandemic with immense ineptitude. There are two particularly despicable things he has done/said that epitomize the would be tyrant King's reign:

1. Trying to delegitimize fair and democratic elections. That's the siren song of a dictator.

2. Trying to take credit for a vaccine that the entire world has worked on ... especially after doing and saying so many things that ended up getting more American's killed than would otherwise would have died with better leadership and a cohesive response.

In all fairness, I will give Trump credit for his 'lightspeed' vaccine order. He probably did speed up the process by a few months at a minimum. Other than that his handling of covid is a complete fail.

He did promise to have a vaccine available before the election. Another failed promise. But we knew that going in right?

Buckle up folks.

172k cases, close to 2k deaths in a single day.

Anyone who has a big family gathering next week is asking for trouble. They’re also being selfish. The hospitals are filling up/full and the healthcare staff have been tirelessly dealing with this only to have people act so flippantly. It’s gross how self centered people are in this country.

yep. and its only getting worse. lets not forget the economic impact of these people being this hard headed.

we're still floating around 750k in unemployment claims a week. and its gonna pick up due to the fact that states around the country have to implement stricter measures.

we're really just doing this to ourselves.

For sure. I’ve said since day one, that the trump administration is forcing us to rely on the common sense of other Americans. And common sense tells me to wear a friggin mask when around others at all times.

Go check out Fox News website.

There’s apparently a war on thanksgiving.

Tyson Food Managers Bet Money On How Many of Their Workers would Contract Covid-19
https://iowacapitaldispatch.com/2020/11/...tract-covid-19/

A question for the medical types-

My dad passed away last Sunday morning-he had Alzheimer's and been in a home for over 7 years-caught covid a couple months ago.
They gave him a 50/50 chance-his blood work was really bad for a while but he came back-for a while

My question is-we are planning on having a couple hour calling hour tomorrow night. Other than double masking with a filter, hand sanitizer what else should we do? Should I wear gloves, limit the kissing and hugging and handshakes.


My dad had a very small family compared to my moms side and then meeting back up Saturday morning for a gravesite service-at least it is outside.

But my sisters who both work in a hospital and my brother who lives in a bar seem to think that everybody we ever met or worked with should be there. And for the most part they are not very vigilant at all. I would even say all three of them are anti maskers

And they already planned an after event in the back half of a bar during the OSU Indiana game-so the bar will be quite busy. I already told them they are nuts for having the after event-there is no way I am going

Is there anything else we should do tomorrow?

Really sorry to hear about your Dad....

For your question - it sounds like there are going to be a lot of people in a fairly small indoor area, which isn't optimal. Also, note that I'm not a doctor, but I do follow things fairly closely.

I think the key considerations:

1.) Ventilate the air as much as possible. Have windows open, the front door open, etc. Ask the Funeral Home if they have any HEPA filters or other machines to help clean the air.

2.) Keep distance from people as much as possible -- and this is probably the hardest thing to do in practice, especially during events where everybody wants to lean in for hugs, etc.

3.) Provide hand sanitizer for everybody, maybe a big jar in front and near the exit. Don't touch your mouth/nose/eyes without using sanitizer first. Getting coronavirus on your hands isn't going to get you sick -- until you touch your face.

4.) Wear a mask - it sounds like you have a good one. If you can find an N95 somewhere, wear that. Cloth masks are pretty good when the sick person is wearing them, and not particularly great when it is the healthy person wearing them. N95s are pretty good at keeping you safe, even if people around you are sick.

It's not a perfect solution (but very little can be perfectly safe these days).

Again - very sorry for your loss - and also very sorry that this situation is so messed up that people don't even have the opportunity to grieve without extra worry.

First of all, sorry for your loss.

Second. Can you clarify what you meant here. I’ll give you a response based on the clarification.

Third... you couldn’t pay me to be in a bar right now. Family or not.

2 hours at the funeral home tomorrow night calling hours.
You are not allowed in this place without a mask

Ah - good, Portland is here and actually knows things. Listen to him.