It’s then the job of that voter to think their decision through. Do you vote for the person that is racist, who’s potentially racist decisions will effect the 30% of the US population that is people of color? Or do you vote against the fractionally small number of those that wish to have a private procedure that’s none of their business? It seems fairly obvious to me in this scenario which is the greater harm. But I digress, let’s not make this about abortion.
Yeah, my only reason for picking it was that it is a core issue for many, and I don't want to turn it into a case specific scenario. I could - and probably should - have picked a different fundamental issue. You hit on the overall point though where I think each of us often has to decide to accept horrid traits especially in a bipartisan system.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
I agree. Trump and his name calling of anyone who disagrees with him is pathetic and he got what he deserved. What I see that is different is the vitriol many on the left spew at those like Arch who supported Trump. We have had multiple people in this forum talk about how they mock Republicans, something they do often.
I have friends and family who supported Trump as well as many that hate him. The name calling went pretty much one way.
The name calling definitely goes both ways.
In case you forgot, conservatives would even go as far as to imply liberals weren’t even Americans. They talked about us like soldiers do enemies in a war zone. The hate and nastiness they showed us didn’t even come close to how we felt about Muslims while deployed.
I’m tired of people playing victim. Everyone got it as good as they gave it. That’s America, unfortunately.
I'm biased. I acknowledge that up front. I do see a slight difference between the name-calling disparagement that flies in both directions. It seems easier to call out the muck coming from the Repub side for what it is, ignore it, and move on. The one MSM outlet for the right is Fox news, and since we all know about them, the majority of what they say is labeled garbage and put where it needs to go (deservedly).
A significantly larger portion of the same muck flying in the other direction doesn't get the same treatment, IMO. I think there are a couple reasons why (and some of those reasons are the targets themselves) it's easier for the overly broad mischaracterizations, straw mans, etc. are taken more seriously going one way vs the other despite similarly lacking substance.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
Also, we're all biased. Every one of us. People who say they aren't are lying to themselves. I think it just comes down to how willing we are to actually listen and consider notions that go against our bias.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
trump has proven over and over again his complete disdain for the rule of law and democratic process.
This latest move to subvert the election and the will of the American people is proof positive that he does not have a patriotic bone in his body. He could care less about doing what is right for the people of this country. His concern as it has always been is for selfish reasons.
To actually refuse to cooperate in the transition is again proof he simple does care about the pandemic and the lives lost and the suffering of their families.
It is mind numbing and really sad that he continues to be supported by his cult. Sad to see this division among the American people. That partisan ideology is placed over patriotism.
Shameful actually.
He continues to kill US citizens with his actions.
The democrats, are tyranny. Tyrany always ends up the same,
Trump wants to be a King and answer to no-one. He's actively trying to throw shade on a the US election process and undermine a legal and proper election and deny the will of the people .... and you have the gall to utter this garbage. FOR SHAME.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
You trust Joe? I just looked about an hour ago. Many of his gaffe moments have been either removed from youtube, or pushed down the line so far no one can find them.
Nah, everything now shows him being so presidential. (there weren't many videos though.)
"Unless it is looked in to and debunked once and for all" There has been 0 proof 32 lawsuits have been thrown out. Where is the proof? or hint of proof ? there is nothing. What are we supposed to be waiting for?
His lack of respect for our democracy and the institution of our election process is just sick.
No president has tried to foul the transition.
He stands alone. Showing his true colors.
Why are you and so many others afraid? Well, I know why, but it needs to be looked at.
Unless it is looked in to and debunked once and for all, Joe Biden will never be President to half the country.
Seems to me you would want that cloud removed so we can move forward.
JMO
Have you seen all the court rulings? Trump's team can't even keep track of which state they are talking about. Every single court appearance has turned in to Trump's team dropping the case because they admit what they are claiming isn't true. That there were witnesses present.
So if they want to do a recount in Ga. They did it. He still lost.
If there is this conspiracy how about Florida and N. Carolina? No problem there right?
So only where he lost?
Nothing. No evidence anywhere.
If he had a patriotic bone in his body he would do what is right. Concede and help with the transition. Help with the pandemic.
But no back to orange makeup and whining because the will of the people has stated clearly that they want him gone from the office he has tried to corrupt.
The question really isn't the vote totals. They will come up pretty much the same.
The question is how many are illegitimate votes? That is the concern. If you aren't concerned about that, well, I guess we don't have anything else to talk about on this matter.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
So I guess Russian meddling which by the way was proven is not a concern?
If there is proof. If there is evidence then come calling.
Because all the bs go-fer lawyers have come up with ---wait. Nothing. No evidence.
No wide spread fraud. No machines that changed votes.
Even Carlson the Fox call boy has said where is the beef?They don't have proof.
Plenty of proof on trump obstructing the law.
Proof of his fraud at trump university.
Proof of quid pro quo.
No proof of voter fraud. And there will not be proof.
Because you can not corrupt the vote on that level the way voting is done in states. Just too many people who are there as volunteers doing the job of the election.
Has there been any cases yet proven? How about last election? trump claimed so about the last election because he would not accept he lost the popular vote.
I am struggling to believe intelligent people can fall for the same sort of ruse time and again.
Now the argument seems to be that despite zero evidence. Despite 0-32 court rulings. Despite the claims of voter fraud coming the night of the election - and NO evidence since.... Somehow it's okay for the position to be that if the Democrats don't want to investigate then they are afraid?
How unamerican and misguided do you have to be?
The same posters said the GOP initiated Mueller report was an investigation in search of a crime and called it Bogus - despite a MOUNTAIN of evidence that was presented as grounds for the investigation and despite the prosecutions and convictions that resulted. But now "Because Trump Said It" - same posters want to undermine the process of law and the fair and democratic electoral process we have just witnessed. Hell - Trump's hand picked guys and team said this was the safest and securest Election in history. That was Trump's guy - right up to the point when he said something that didn't support Trump's lies then he was fired.
smh.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I love going through these threads and seeing all the crying while running through Dragon Ball super episodes.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“Facts are stubborn things, and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
-John Adams
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Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
Actually that's not hard to refute at all. I could easily say if you voted for Biden you're racist against African Americans and accept that behavior from him as a candidate. He has a LONG LONG history of statements so don't even try that race baiting bull around here. I know that's a favorite card...Lastly there is no systematic racism in this country and there are no current citizens living in the US today being effected by slavery.
On to the next topic. Here is the press conference which the media is scared to show people in its entirety.
Are you actually proud of Rudy and that other lady in this presser? Really
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.” Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Rudy begins by saying he then the 2 women will talk then they will present the evidence they have accumulated. The video is 90 minutes. I skimmed through it but couldn't find where they give that evidence. Can someone tell me the timemark that they give their evidence?
Am I perfect? No Am I trying to be a better person? Also no
Juliani said yesterday that there were witnesses but they don't want to share names and evidence with the public due to death threats.
I don't know if that is true or not.
I was meaning with the observers. The Trump campaign has repeatedly said that their observers weren't allowed to be present, and then when asked in court directly, they admit they were allowed in and immediately drop the case, only to keep repeating the lie in public. It's insanity, and they do it because his base keeps believing it. They can admittedly lie to their face and people still believe them.
I think some are treating this like a topic where there is some room for opinion or speculation ... issues like trying to argue what the impact was of Putin trying to influence the election in Trump's favor - like whether Cohen was telling the truth when he turned on Trump - whether an edited "transcript" of the phone call to Ukraine was coercion - whether bragging about grabbing girls vaginas against their will is an issue - whether the protesters cleared out from for the photo op with an upside down bible was justified - whether paying $750 in Fed Taxes matters.
It's not like any of those issues at all. This is just a whole string of totally baseless claims without substance or evidence. They are flat out lies. The GOP is splitting over it - many of those in charge of the states where allegations are being made are Republican and have denied and rejected these lies. . . . the lies undermine American Democracy and Due Process.... they are wholly unAmerican. And we have posters trying to defend these lies. We have the Cult of Trump trying to steal a democratic election because they are - to use their own term - Snowflakes who can't deal with reality.
How low has Trump brought you all. Pfffft.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I really believe Trump lost this election do to his ignoring 250,000 deaths and so may other folks being on vents, in hospitals, and in ICU's. His own stupid ass cost him the election. Now I hope his maskless and mask wearing under the nose diehards suffer the same job losses.
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