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17 impact players is surprisingly a lot considering that he hasn't been the GM in 2 years and most of those players will be back next year.

If only he had that kind of an eye for coaches.

Whichever article said Browns hired the right guys, Sure.

There are just collectively too many div 3 school players on the Browns top 84, (something like 40%), for me not to think somebody, the Browns hired, has far too level a crush on div. 3.

Div 1 college football is div 1 for a reason. (Harvard, is Harvard it's not Jim's law college, same goes for football)

Even if you found every div 3 superstar, its not going to be 40% of everybody. And I realize Kelce, and Kareem Hunt are exceptions to this rule, but, 10-13, even 20% of your guys, you want to find from lower level college football programs, ok,

but somebody somewhere is giving these guys a preference, for playing at the Stephen f austins' and such football programs, otherwise, there is no way you'd get to nearly 40%.

9-3

The difference between D1 and D 3 is not that much.

He built much of the team as far as talent.

If he wasn't a pompous ass and hired a better coach, he would still be in town.

I for one am glad the goof is gone.

It's two D's.... DD, if you will.
That's pretty big.

Based on the Browns roster, including active, IR, and PS.. the Browns have 79 players listed.

48 are Div 1 FBS Power 5 - 60.8%
19 are Div 1 FBS non-Power 5 - 24.1%
9 are Div 1 FCS - 11.4%
3 are not. Ferris State (Tavierre Thomas), Toledo (Kareem Hunt), Akron (JoJo Natson)

So that ridiculous 40% Division 3 number is just wrong. It's almost 40% non Power 5.. but that's vastly different than 40% Division 3....

Thanks for the info but TL tosses out a lot of bad info, so you need not bother doing a lot of research.

Stay out of it Jimmah

lol truly

It's non power 5 so, there is no such thing as Kentucky state! but they might as well be,
there is no such thing as div 3, when I said div. 3 the point is they are not power football schools,

(Oh my Lord, there actually is a "Kentucky state college football program, ever heard of it?, I haven't)

If a player is the best football player in the world, he will be a best football player in the world at age 11.

11 year old kids don't play intruamural football and dream of going to the nfl by way of chosing the college football program of Kentucky State!
or West Virginia A and M?

The best 11 year olds, will go to the top football programs in CF, 7 years later, so there is a point.

and the 40% number was from going over the Browns roster page at Cleveland browns .com, and the roster as, active, ir, practice squad, and reserve covid, and all the way down about the week of thanksgiving day.
here.
Bitonio >Nevada
Harrison Bryant td> Florida ATl
Carlon Te Princeton
Chubb Rb, Georgia
Clayborne De, Iowa
Conklin Ot, Mich. st
Tae Davis Lb, Chattanooga

Michael Dunn OG, Maryland
Elliott Dt Missouri
Gillan P Ark pine bluff
Goodson lb Clemson
Gustin De USC
Nick Harris C, Washington
Ronnie Harrison jr. S Alabama

R Higgins, wr Colorado St.
Dontrell Hilliard, Tulane
Khaderal Hodge, Prairie View A and M
Austin Hooper TE Stanford

Hughlett Ls, Cent. Flor.

Kareem Hunt, Toledo
Joe Jackson DE Miami fl
D Ernest Jackson rb USF
Kevin Johnson cb Wake Forest

Karl Joseph FS West Virginia
Case Keenum Qb houston(pro career)
Kendall Lamm Ot, Applachian st.
Jarvis Landry wr LSU

Elijah Lee Lb Kansas St.
Malveaux DE Houston

Baker Mayfield qb, Oklahoma
Terrence Mitchell Cb Oregon
Mofatt S Mid ten st.
Njoku , TE Miami fl

Ogunjobi Dt Charlotte
Parkey K, auburn pro career
Peoples Jones wr mich
Phillips Lb, LSU

Redwine S Miami fl
Sheldon Richardon DT, missouri pro career
Andrew Sendejo S Rice

Malcolm Smith, lb, USC
Johnny Stanton Fb Unlv

MJ Stewart, cb, north Carolina or wash. football team
Taki Taki, lb BYU

Taiwan Taylor Wr Western Ky
Vincet Taylor Dt Oklahoma st

Wyatt Teller, Dt, Virginia tech
Tavviere Thomas, Cb Ferris st.

JC Trettor C Cornell NFL career
Olivier Vernon, DE Miami Fl
Denzel Ward CB Ohio ST.
Jedrick Wills, OT Alab
Mack Wilson Lb, Alab

Odell Beckham WR. Lsu
Delpit, SS LSU
Jojo Natson, WR Akron
Obina DE Sacremento st.
Curtis Weaver, DE Boise st.

Greedy Williams Cb LSU
Trevon Young De Louisville

Elijah Benton S Liberty
JamMarcus Bradley WR Louis. Lafayette

Den? Cb Valdosta st.
A J Green, Cb, Oklahoma st.
Joey Ivey, Dt Florida

John Kelly Rb Tenn
Kyle Lauletta Qb, Richmond
Markway TE, South Carolina
McCrane K Kansas st.
Montrel Meander, Lb Grambling st.

John Patterson C, Mississippi
Alex Taylor OT South Carolina st.
Derrick Willies Wr, Texas tech.

Jordan Franks te ucf
Ryan Switzer, Wr north car.

covid opt outs,:
Billings, DT Baylor
Dorbeck, OT southern Mississippi

Drew Forbes, OG Southeast Misouri st.
Colby Gorsett Og Applachian st.
Malcolm Pridgeon OG Ohio St.

Covid list. Myles Garrett De Tex A and M
Chris Hubbard, OT Alabama Birmingham Nfl career
Andy Janovich Fb Nebraska.

... So. Football schools, make up your own mind.

I also don't believe blind squirrel - nut. There's some truth here, however. I don't think it's as easy as everyone suggests to build a successful front office.

I don't think he's the tinkering type or considered this some "toy" he can play with. I think he knew what he wanted in a front office. Money was no object (obviously).

Obviously he's 100% responsible for the mishaps earlier but he's also 100% responsible for having who we have now.

I believe this is the first time during Haslam's tenure we have synergy within the front office.

I believe that's been Jimmy's plan all along. He's not the meddling type, he just wants to know what's going on.

I think it's technically the second time. The first time the FO had Hue Jackson as coach instead of McDermott. That was ownership's fault.

Sashi with the right coach could have worked. I believe those who say Sashi sucked simply look at the record and not the inner workings of what was actually going on.

If I were to make an analogy, and I hate to use the movie Moneyball for obvious reasons.... although it hits the nail on the head. And I don't think the real Art Howe was this way, but I believe 100% Hue was. He was defiant to play the team as it was designed by the front office. He kept putting Pena at 1B when the front office said that's not how this team is designed to be played. We never got around to playing Hatteberg.

I believe Haslam wanted to keep Hue because everyone in the NFL kept telling him how good Hue is and how respected he is around the league and if he found a GM who could get "players" Hue would be great. A lot of people said that here even. I'd imagine Sashi wasn't well known or as respected and a lot of people around the league didn't understand how we were building a team.

Hue actually did the same things under Dorsey. And not to start a war, but Hue was a problem.

I know I said front office, but I meant synergy between front office and coaching.

This is it for me. Owners like Jones and Snyder keep meddling no matter what ... seems like Jimmy inserted himself early when everything was new - then when things were clearly dysfunctional - and I don't know if he did it because of his ego or because he thought it was easy or because he was simply concerned. Folks want to castigate the man (rightly) when he got it wrong - if he gets it right and leaves the football operations alone after getting it right - he deserves props.

Some of Haslam's meddling can be attributed to the general practice of when things aren't going well, the boss is gonna starting getting all up in your business. A reasonable boss will mostly leave you alone if things are going fine.

No.

We are spending a lot of money/assets on a lot of players we don't/didn't need. We don't need OBJ. We don't need Jarvis. We don't need Vernon. We didn't need Tyrod. We should have kept Zeitler. We shouldn't have drafted Seibert.

The only picks I'd give credit to Dorsey is thank God he drafted Mayfield, and the Chubb pick was great. Other than that...

I give credit to Stefanski and the coaching staff. And kudos to the front office drafting Wills and signing Conklin.

I'm not sure what you're watching if you say we don't need Jarvis. He's super critical for the offense to move the chains when throwing, Baker has very good chemistry with him, and his hands have bailed out Baker A LOT.

... and we should've kept Zeitler ($$$) and you're not going to give him credit for Teller?

I believe 100% we couldn't decide which QB to draft when we took Johnny. So Haslam made that decision. I don't think he went above people necessarily, more of a tie breaker.

Dorsey did a good job picking players. Chubb and Ward are a direct result of the picks provided by Brown/Berry.

And Teller I'd give just as much credit to Stefanski, because until we hired Callahan, Teller was mediocre, at best.

Imagine that, it was a group effort.

Whether you like him or not John Dorsey deserves much credit for where we are now. I'd give Berry and Stefanski credit too. Gee, what do you know, we finally got some people who know how to run things and we are winning. INCREDIBLE!!!

Yeah, I think Dorsey was good. I don't think he was "great" but good is way better than we've had in a while. His downfall was picking Kitchens.

Agreed although at the time it looked like a good gamble because he did so much with Baker in the "18 season.

I'll give him credit for Teller. I'll give credit to Callahan for making him one of the best guards in the game.

No. We don't need Jarvis. I say that but I can now see him here longer than his current contract assuming he'd take a pay cut. Jarvis isn't a #1 receiver. If we lose Jarvis today, yes it's certainly a blow. There are cheaper options who are just as good is my point. And yes, I'm sure you can say that about anyone.


Yes, Dorsey has a decent eye for talent, I've always said he is a glorified scout... but I don't want him running my football team.

Oh I have.


Which is why you rarely see somebody from Prairie View A&M go in the first round.. where the "best football players in the world" get drafted... that doesn't mean that somebody from Prairie View isn't capable of playing in the NFL.

this is also why Alabama has 50+ players in the NFL and Prairie View has 1 or 2...


We can just disagree. Because your logic is that it's better to have the 5th best player at his position from Clemson, Alabama, or Ohio State than the best player in the MAC conference.. and that's just stupid.

If you look at the top 2 players, by position and the schools they came from.. do you know who has the best WR pair in the NFL right now?

Maryland. DJ Moore (Carolina) and Stephon Diggs (Bills) have more yards than the top 2 WRs from any other college.

If you do the same thing for DBs, know who has more interceptions than any other school?

Maryland. Darnell Savage (Packers) and JC Jackson (Patriots) have more interceptions than the top 2 DBs from any other school.

Maryland might be a "Power 5" school, but they aren't a very good one.. yet they regularly put some very good players in the NFL.. and do you know how many non-power 5 schools could beat Maryland? A lot.

I will take AJ Brown and DK Metcalf (Ole Miss) over Moore and Diggs, but your point is made.

Who are the top 10 WRs right now? I was talking about this earlier today ... my list:

- Davante Adams
- DK Metcalf
- Stephon Diggs
- DeAndre Hopkins
- Tyreek Hill
- Michael Thomas
- Mike Evans
- AJ Brown
- Julio Jones
- Terry McLauren

My next 10:

- Chris Godwin
- Adam Thielen
- Allen Robinson
- Keenan Allen
- Kenny Golladay
- Amari Cooper
- Tyler Lockett
- DJ Moore
- Juju Smith Schuster
- Jarvis Landry

I probably would too.

My point was, back when Diggs was drafted, that as a Maryland alum (that's why I know that fact :p)... I told people that Diggs was a first round talent who would probably still be there in the 3rd or 4th round because he played with some of the worst QBs to ever grace the college football field. And as a WR, it's hard to get noticed playing with horrible QBs.

And there are guys like that all over the bottom of the power 5 conferences, the FCS, etc.. guys who are wildly talented but get little love because the cast around them just isn't good enough to win games or let that person get noticed.

Likewise, there are a lot of players at Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, etc who are decent players but who LOOK MUCH BETTER because of all the talent around them.. guys like Trent Richardson come to mind.. and they get overdrafted.

Top 10 (not in any order)

- Davante Adams
- DK Metcalf
- Stephon Diggs
- DeAndre Hopkins
- Tyreek Hill
- Michael Thomas
- AJ Brown
- Julio Jones
- Calvin Ridley
- Keenan Allen

Next 10 (not in any order):

- Chris Godwin
- Adam Thielen
- Allen Robinson
- Mike Evans
- Kenny Golladay
- Justin Jefferson
- Tyler Lockett
- DJ Moore
- Cooper Kupp
- Terry McLauren

Like every OSU quarterback.

That b%%$%$%$%!!