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I just realized we don't have a foot in the mouth gramelin

Most of you prolly kno who Watson is....mayb if i say Watson n Crick then it might ring a bell...they r the dudes that came up with the structure of DNA...anyways i didn't kno he was this out there....i'm not offended as much as find this stuff hilarious...can't believe he says some of this stuff....haha

By MALCOLM RITTER, AP Science Writer
Thu Oct 18, 10:10 PM ET


NEW YORK - James Watson, the 79-year-old scientific icon made famous by his work in DNA, has set off an international furor with comments to a London newspaper about intelligence levels among blacks.
The renowned Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory, where Watson served as chancellor, suspended his administrative responsibilities Thursday following the outcry, the laboratory said in a news release.

Watson has a history of provocative statements about social implications of science. But several friends said Thursday he's no racist.

And Watson, who won a Nobel Prize in 1962 for co-discovering the structure of DNA, apologized and says he's "mortified."

A profile of Watson in the Sunday Times Magazine of London quoted him as saying that he's "inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa" because "all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours — whereas all the testing says not really."

While he hopes everyone is equal, "people who have to deal with black employees find this is not true," Watson is quoted as saying. He also said people should not be discriminated against on the basis of color, because "there are many people of color who are very talented."

The comments, reprinted Wednesday in a front-page article in another British newspaper, The Independent, provoked a sharp reaction.

London's Science Museum canceled a sold-out lecture he was to give there Friday. The mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, said his comments "represent racist propaganda masquerading as scientific fact.... That a man of such academic distinction could make such ignorant comments, which are utterly offensive and incorrect and give succor to the most backward in our society, demonstrates why racism still has to be fought."

In the United States, the Federation of American Scientists said it was outraged that Watson "chose to use his unique stature to promote personal prejudices that are racist, vicious and unsupported by science."

And Watson's employer said he wasn't speaking for the Cold Spring Harbor research facility on Long Island, where the board and administration "vehemently disagree with these statements and are bewildered and saddened if he indeed made such comments."

Watson is in Britain to promote his new book, "Avoid Boring People," and a publicist for his British publisher provided this statement Thursday to The Associated Press:

"I am mortified about what has happened," Watson said. "More importantly, I cannot understand how I could have said what I am quoted as having said.

"I can certainly understand why people, reading those words, have reacted in the ways they have. To all those who have drawn the inference from my words that Africa, as a continent, is somehow genetically inferior, I can only apologize unreservedly. That is not what I meant. More importantly from my point of view, there is no scientific basis for such a belief."

Watson's publicist, Kate Farquhar-Thomson, would not address whether Watson was suggesting he was misquoted. "You have the statement. That's it, I'm afraid," she said.

A spokesman for The Sunday Times said that the interview with Watson was recorded and that the newspaper stood by the story.

Watson's new book also touches on possible racial differences in IQ, though it doesn't go as far as the newspaper interview.

In the book, Watson raises the prospect of discovering genes that significantly affect a person's intelligence.

"...There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically," Watson wrote. "Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so."

Watson is no stranger to making waves with his scientific views. In 2000, in a speech at the University of California, Berkeley, he suggested that sex drive is related to skin color. "That's why you have Latin lovers," he said, according to people who attended. "You've never heard of an English lover. Only an English patient."


Some years earlier he was quoted in a newspaper as saying, "If you could find the gene which determines sexuality and a woman decides she doesn't want a homosexual child, well, let her."

"Jim has a penchant for making outrageous comments that are basically poking society in the eye," Dr. Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Research Institute, said Thursday.

Collins, who has known Watson for a long time, said his latest comments "really ... carried it this time to a much more hurtful level."

In a brief telephone interview, Collins told The AP that Watson's statements are "the wildest form of speculation in a field where such speculation ought not to be engaged in." Genetic factors for intelligence show no difference from one part of the world to another, he said.

Several longtime friends of Watson insisted he's not a racist.

"It's hard for me to buy the label `racist' for him," said Victor McElheny, the author of a 2003 biography of Watson, whom he's known for 45 years. "This is someone who has encouraged so many people from so many backgrounds."

So why does he say things that can sound racist? "I really don't know the answer to that," McElheny said.


Biologist and Nobel laureate Phil Sharp at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, who's known Watson since 1971, said, "I've never considered Jim a racist. However, Jim likes to use statistics and observations to provoke people, and it is possible that he is provoking people by these comments."

Calling Watson "one of the great historical scientific figures of our time," Sharp said, "I don't understand why he takes it upon himself to make these statements."

Mike Botchan, co-chair of the molecular and cell biology department at the University of California, Berkeley, who's known Watson since 1970, said the Nobelist's personal beliefs are less important than the impact of what he says.

"Is he someone who's going to prejudge a person in front of him on the basis of his skin color? I would have to say, no. Is he someone, though, that has these beliefs? I don't know any more. And the important thing is I don't really care," Botchan said.

"I think Jim Watson is now essentially a disgrace to his own legacy. And it's very sad for me to say this, because he's one of the great figures of 20th century biology."

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Oh sure ... use junk science to say that one race or gender is at a disadvantage, and you're a nut ... but use junk science to say the world is getting warmer, and it's our fault, then you get a nobel peace prize.

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i don't know what 'all the testing' refers to...and that he is appalled that he said what he said basically says he can't back up his own bogus claims...BTW, in the biology community, he's not well thought of...his much brighter partner had more to do with the DNA discovery, as did someone who's not credited at all (Rosalind Franklin)...

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Some years earlier he was quoted in a newspaper as saying, "If you could find the gene which determines sexuality and a woman decides she doesn't want a homosexual child, well, let her."




what's funny about this?...most likely, sexuality is based upon differences in brain organization and function...which is a result of genes...


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A 79 year old man makes a dumb comment,,,, Call out the guards, get Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson the next flight to London..

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Color of your skin determines how smart you are?





It absolutely does.

The Hulk is green ... and dumb. Thus green skin = dumb.


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Kermit is pretty smart.

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What about Oscar?


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Most grouches are fairly intelligent, like Jules...


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He dates a pig ....... hos smart can he really be?


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When it comes to racism, people say, ‘I don’t care if they’re black, white, purple, or green.’

Aw, hold on now. Purple or green?

You gotta draw the line somewhere.

To hell with purple people.

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He likes the other white meat....

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If it was really true that the blacker you are, the dumber you are then many on here must think I'm darker than Wesley Snipes.


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Oh sure ... use junk science to say that one race or gender is at a disadvantage, and you're a nut ... but use junk science to say the world is getting warmer, and it's our fault, then you get a nobel peace prize.





Just clicking on you but using your quote because i like your sarcasm

Watson and Crick junk science??


Dr. Lonnie Thompson of the OSU junk science??


It is pretty funny how people who have no idea about scientific method and the ethics involved can so rapidly decide what is junk science, but the truth is most people dont have the capacity or knowledge to be an accurate judge of what junk science is. Some of the comments on this board regarding the validity of the scientific research are appalling. I guess ignorance is bliss.


Any science that makes money is good science, any science that points out shortcomings or results point towards change or mass reconfiguration is junk. Because it has a higher cost than the benefits of acknowledging truth.


I guess scientists with motives are always right while the pure science of discovery is always looked at as junk even though the research is done out of a quest for knowledge and greater understanding of the world we live in and the betterment of humankind.

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I wonder if anyone on this board remembers Satch Sanders who played for the Boston Celtics in the 60s-70s?? Satch was a terrific player and had to be the blackest man that I have seen in my 57 years.
If he played that long with Bill Russell's gang he must have been quiet intelligent.


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Would he be apologizing if picked a trait, and accentuated it's positive effect on people of certain color?


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Oh sure ... use junk science to say that one race or gender is at a disadvantage, and you're a nut ... but use junk science to say the world is getting warmer, and it's our fault, then you get a nobel peace prize.




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