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Found this article today and got me thinking about us holding onto Chud by promoting to Assistant Head Coach and OC as he could be in demand if the team O keeps progressing as well as it has. For some reason, PS has given an Assistant HC and QB Coach to Rip Scherer and I'm sure he has his reasons although I'm not a RS fan myself from articles I had read about him some time ago. I wanted Tom Clements for our QB coach. Anyway, hope we can keep Chud in Cleveland for a good while until at least maybe when RAC decides to retire. Also, I liked Leslie Frazier, and I'm not knocking Grantham at all as he has a very difficult job this year to deal with the missing pieces on the DL and hopefully next season he will have more talent to work with. JMHO Five assistants besides Jaguars defensive coordinator Mike Smith who haven't been an NFL head coach but who could be in the mix in a year or two:
Rob Chudzinski,Cleveland offensive coordinator: What he's doing with the Browns offense is amazing. They are third in the league in scoring with Derek Anderson playing quarterback. That's impressive. In his first year after coming over from San Diego, he has done a really nice job.
Leslie Frazier, Minnesota defensive coordinator: I've always liked the way his teams play defense. He's a disciple of Buddy Ryan, which means an aggressive style. He got a raw deal getting fired by Bengals coach Marvin Lewis -- how has their defense been since? -- and after a year in Indy as an assistant, he's back as a coordinator. The Vikings players have raved about him, which is high praise considering he replaced Mike Tomlin.
Josh McDaniels, New England offensive coordinator: He's the man behind the curtain, the wizard behind the Patriots' high-scoring offense. Too bad nobody knows anything about him since he works for Bill Belichick. Is it easy calling plays with Tom Brady? Yes. But McDaniels also plays an up-tempo style that is always dictating to the other team.
Jim Schwartz, Tennessee defensive coordinator: He's had a head coaching interview, and almost landed the 49ers job a few years ago. But this year he has been doing a heck of a job. His Titans defensive front is playing great football, and he hascovered up for the loss of Pacman Jones at corner. I like the way he schemes a game. His defense leads the NFL in rushing yards allowed, giving up 63.8 per game.
Jim Caldwell, Indianapolis assistant head coach: He doesn't run the Colts offense, but everything you hear about Caldwell is that he's perfect for a head-coaching job. He has the right temperament for the job and many think he has a chance to succeed Tony Dungy when he retires. That is if somebody doesn't pick him up. Link
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If Chud stays put, he will probably end up as HC of the Browns. He'd take over a team he's been grooming and groomed for without the trouble of a huge transition. Throw in the fact that they're his favorite team of his youth, and I'd stay put if I was him.
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If we are 8-8 or better Romeo will still be the coach I believe. But if we fall off at the end of the year I can see chud getting the head coaching nod  I really think he deserves the credit for our offensive turnaround this year, so more power to him
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I didn't mean he'd get the job this year. He'd be up for the job in about 2-3 years, as long as we don't have a major melt down.
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If Chud stays put, he will probably end up as HC of the Browns. He'd take over a team he's been grooming and groomed for without the trouble of a huge transition. Throw in the fact that they're his favorite team of his youth, and I'd stay put if I was him.
That would be an awesome scenario if it happened. It would work out great b/c he helped groom the team like you said and would already know the players inside n out. Plus no more falling behind having someone new bringing in new personnel.
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Why can't Romeo be the coach?
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I don't think we'll see teams throwing themselves at Chud at the end of the year. But...even Mo Carthon interviewed for the Raiders Head Coach Job.  So anything is possbile. The thing about Chud, is that he is from Cleveland. He grew up as a Browns fan. He understands whats occurring here. Seeing the Browns succeed isn't just making him feel satisfied over a "job well done". I've got to believe that watching the Browns succeed, and knowing that your childhood team is succeeding because of you has to mean a lot to him. Chud left as our TE coach after Davis was fired. Chud wasn't guaranteed a job by Savage. You can't blame a guy for going with the guaranteed job by Marty in San Diego over a unknown here in Cleveland. If your a "green" coach...spending even 1 season away could kill your NFL coaching career. I was really sad to see Chud leave a few years ago. But if our Offense continues to explode like it does now, you'll see Chud be an Assistant Head Coach...along with him getting paid via dump trucks.
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Caldewell, if I am not mistaken is Dungy's old ball coach from Minny and isn't replacing anyone as he will stay an OC until he retires with Dungy. I think this article hasn't read Dungy's book.
I don't see Chud getting the nod yet, but over time he certainly will get some looks.
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I don't think we'll see teams throwing themselves at Chud at the end of the year.
Are you serious? When you have a young up and coming stud, you lock him up as he will get snagged for greener pastures...
Mangini took over for RAC, a year later he gets hired on with the Jets for the HC job... That after just ONE year as a DC...
Then you have Sean Payton, he got his gig only a year after Mo left Dallas and one year on the job...
It doesn't matter with the lack of experience... The man has the 3rd best scoring offence in the NFL...
Make no mistake, he WILL be pursued at season's end.. NFL GM's are always on teh lookout for the next great young mind to be a HC... I for one would not be surprised to see Chud leave after just one year... I HOPE to God that I am wrong...
Lucky for us, Chud is from Toledo and a lifelong Browns fan... Let's hope that it helps weigh into his decision even a slight amount...
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I don't care what we call him. It doesn't matter if he gets a interview to be a head coach and he decides to take the job.
That said, I wouldn't lose him.
I wouldn't want to keep Romeo the the last year or two of his career while Chud heads off to start his as a head coach.
I think Romeo has 2 years left on his contract after this season. I am not so much worried about Chud this year....but next could be a problem.
I would convince Romeo it is time to retire....or just outright dump him if Chud was going to walk.
And Romeo isn't safe this season. We are sitting on 3 wins at this point heading into a schedule that "looks" to hold 7-8 wins, which means we should proobably win at least 5-6.
If we only win 3-4, there will be discussion in Berea on if we should bring Romeo back or not.
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Promote him to what? HC? We got one! If we're winning, he's not going anywhere.
Promote him to Asst. HC? Isn't that Rip Scheres job title along with QB Coach? Do you want to fire or demote Rip?
I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but I don't know what we would promote him too... and 6 games into the season, we are only .500. Which isn't exactly setting the world on fire. And all of it isn't because of Chud. Some of it has to do with the improved Oline personnel for one example.
Chud seems to be doing a great job and I'm very very impressed thus far. But the answer is NOPE, Not yet.
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Promote him to Asst. HC? Isn't that Rip Scheres job title along with QB Coach? Do you want to fire or demote Rip?
"Asst HC" is a made up title that is a step above a coordinator to enable teams to keep coaches.....maybe we can have two or three of them? 
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6 games into the season, we are only .500. Which isn't exactly setting the world on fire. And all of it isn't because of Chud. Some of it has to do with the improved Oline personnel for one example.
And Edwards and Winslow being healthy and having experience in the league now..... an experienced wideout in JJ.....and good starting field position most of the time due to the great returns by Cribbs..... (to name a few more)
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The asst. HC tag doesn't do anything once a guy is a coordinator.
Some team could bring Rip in for a head coaching job if they wanted to do so.....just not another job.
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You are correct......thanks for correcting my poorly chosen wording.
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The asst. HC tag doesn't do anything once a guy is a coordinator.
Well, what does is eliminates the possibility of another team offering him that title. It's HC or nothing.
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Maybe.......not sure exactly how that works in that case....I would say there probably aren't too many cases where a coordinator left his job to take a asst head coach job somewhere else.
It is intended to be able to keep a few key non-coordinator assts....like the qb coach or the O-line coach.
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Daman, can a team have more than one (1) assistant Head Coach? Re Rac, no by all means we keep him for the five year term and until he feels he wants to retire. Continuity we've have to establish this in our coaching and systems so everyone is on the same page. Never to regress to what the previous years were with the Browns when we came back in '99. Re about title progression, thanks, was not aware that a coordinator would not need to be promoted to assistant HC. When you think about it, yes, it makes sense. Looks like this year will be Chud's year to shine and lets hope with some wise transactions in FA and good drafting in the off season; it will be Grantham's year to shine in 2008. JMHO
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..This thread keeps reminding me of the Linde Infante era,....has it really been that long since we've had a top notched OC?
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I really don't even want to think about Chud possibly leaving at this point...However...
Chud is the OC and our O looks better than I can remember.
RAC is a D guy and our D is simply...not good.
If there is ANY argument for maintaining continuity on this team...it must be for the O side of the ball.
How that impacts a decision on promotions and firings should play out about like one would expect.
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Daman, can a team have more than one (1) assistant Head Coach?
Honestly, I don't know!
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RAC is a D guy and our D is simply...not good.
If there is ANY argument for maintaining continuity on this team...it must be for the O side of the ball.
Ya know, I don't know how great Chud would've look prior to this year. This is the first year that the OL improvement attempts actually worked (Le Charles the previous year but that has failed to this point - nobody's fault).
I'm going to reserve judgement on the D brains (Romeo & Grantham) until we get the DL fixed. Which we hope will be this offseason.
As to how many Assistant HC's you can have...I bet it's like a corporation...you can have as many vice presidents as you want...until somebody decides 'What the hell are we doing with all these VP's?'. 
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I think that makes sense.
Ddubia's got me thinking about giving RAC a little more time.
However, IF it came down to losing Chud, I'd probably revert back to not giving more time...and seriously consider promoting Chud to HC. Hopefully, it won't come to that for another couple of years.
I guess it's a good problem to have when one of your Asst Coaches is looking like a target for someone else.
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RAC is a D guy and our D is simply...not good.
If there is ANY argument for maintaining continuity on this team...it must be for the O side of the ball.
Of course the O looks good,, look at the investment along the line.. I think that answers a ton of question,
Putting all the blame on RAC when he clearly doesn't have the horses up front seems to be a particularly lame argument against keeping continuity.
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Easy there fella...just a little bye week speculation. No harm intended. I'm just stating that if forced to choose, I would take Chud over RAC...and I hope it doesn't come to that...at least not until we have a team that could absorb inevitable changes like that...which ultimately would be a good thing. We both want continuity...we both want to win. Not trying to  or  but sometimes feeling like when I prefer this 
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WHY? You have 6 games to look at and you can't point to Chud as the end all, be all reason for the success we've had... Yeah, sure, I also believe he's a big part of it... Very big. But are you sure enough that he's the total reason to want him over RAC if it comes to that?
Keep in mind, I'm not defending RAC here... maybe he's the answer and maybe not.. But if everytime something goes right, people think that it goes right in spite of RAC, then that can't be right thinking...
So I don't understand that at all really..
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Well he did grow up a Browns fan, but he's from Toledo. He graduated from Toledo St. Johns. Big football and basketball school from Toledo.
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Let's just give Chud a huge raise. I do not want him as head coach right now. This is still his first experience as a O-Coordinator. Let's see how it goes. Plus, when a coordinator becomes head coach they become more of a game manager rather than being extrinsically involved with each side of the ball.
Chud is doing a great job with the offense, I want him to continue to focus all of his attention on that.
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Thanks Daman. If I could go back in time...I'd probably not post what I did because I did not intend to somewhat hijack this thread. I should have simply stated my approval of the job Chud has done and left it at that. Because that's what I really meant to say anyway. I am certainly being swayed by some posters re: my opinion of RAC...and that can only mean good things are likely coming for our Browns.
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No Problem,,
Yeah, it was touch and go for RAC after that first game.. Personally, I thought that all the talk of firing him was a bit premature... But had it happened, and they decided to move Chud into that role, I'd have accepted it.
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RAC is the coach...
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The haters keep hating. Make no mistake ballpeen the Browns will not dump RAC for Chud. When RAC leaves it will be of his own accord. As the talent improves on this team, the win totals will as well. To bad you can't see that the talent level on the offensive side of the ball is vastly improved leading to the success that Chud now enjoys. Yes he has done a stellar job getting these guys coached up, and working together no question there, but talent along the line has played a equal part in the current success of the Browns offense. I have said this before, "IF, Chud where left with the same line we had here last season most likely he and RAc would be long gone by now. Which leads me to the next point, improved talent is the key that has unlocked the door. You are of the opinion that coaching can overcome lack of talent issues, and I clearly think you are dead wrong!!!
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Great.....so who were you before you got kicked off the board last time?? You have 25 posts and the last 2-3 have been spent following me around and acting like you know me. 
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Great.....so who were you before you got kicked off the board last time??
You have 25 posts and the last 2-3 have been spent following me around and acting like you know me.
Never was a member of this board however I was a part of the Browns forum for the past few years until they suspended me for the I do not know time, and I finally had enough. And I do remember you from that board. So I assume the same can be said for you as well. I do remember a ballpeen from that board and I think that it most likely is you. And I do not follow anybody around the board I simply read the threads, and if I strongly agree I post, and if I strongly disagree I post. You have made a couple of posts I do not agree with, and so I have posted accordingly. Sorry if I hurt your feelings... 
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No man....nothing like that  You bring up some good points. A good point is a good point even if someone disagrees. Welcome to the board and bring it on.
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If we are 8-8 or better Romeo will still be the coach I believe. But if we fall off at the end of the year I can see chud getting the head coaching nod
I really think he deserves the credit for our offensive turnaround this year, so more power to him
Chud's part of the equation...BUT...
Take it further and give the credit where it's due...
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