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It's an interesting theory.

The problem is that there are dozens and dozens of first world industrial countries in the world with governments and societies that are all way left of USA politics - they do not have mass gun ownership ... and guess what. They have food and citizens don't dumpster dive for food.

You really, really, really need to get different sources of information because what you post and write is far, far out of touch with reality.

Another piece of shocking FACT for you - those left leaning "socialist countries" without mass gun ownership are constantly graded as being above the USA for quality of life. Those countries have government run, free healthcare as a right (paid for with tax payer money) ... and have cheaper and higher ranked healthcare for their populations.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-the-world

Healthcare - USA 37th !

https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp

Quality of life 15th.

BuT ThEms dOn’T GoTS nO guNZ!! sO HoW iS tHEy reALly fREe?!

guNZ = fREeDuMb

Might be some words aren't permitted.

We Must Never Accept any Democrat party politician on any level Ever Again!

Never Forget the Lies!

So what do you right wingers plan on naming the new country y’all are creating?

Trumland? Ivanka?

Putin Bay?

Psych Ward ?

I’d say that’s a good name for one of the states.

#trumpiantears #REDsnowflakes

I cant possibly remember all of trumps lies but I will try.
....No cant do it there are way too many.

j/c:

BREAKING: Sidney Powell Releases Massive 270 Page Document Detailing Alleged Election Fraud

https://trendingpolitics.com/breaking-si...election-fraud/

P.S. If we all voted for Kanye West this mess wouldn't have happened.

At least they weren't dumb enough to call it evidence or proof.

Oh just for fun.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/20/tucker-carlson-sidney-powell-fraud/

https://www.businessinsider.com/sidney-powell-bio-life-trump-election-fraud-allegations-2020-11

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/fact...ide/6360883002/

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/sidney-powell/

Hey, when’s infrastructure week?

December 26, 2020

It's for Mike Pence to Judge whether a Presidential Election Was Held at All


By Ted Noel

On January 6, a joint session of Congress will open with Vice President Pence presiding as president of the Senate. His power will be plenary and unappealable. You heard that right. As president of the Senate, every objection comes directly to him, and he can rule any objection "out of order" or "denied." His task will be to fulfill his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and to ensure that the laws be faithfully executed. This is a high standard of performance, and V.P. Pence will have two choices. He can roll over on "certified" electors, or he can uphold the law.

Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution gives state legislatures "plenary authority" as enunciated in Bush v. Gore. This is key, since the counting of votes is discussed in Article II, the 12th Amendment, and 3 USC 15. To this we must add the history of counting and objections recounted by Alexander Macris (here and here). Put bluntly, it's as clear as mud. Add to that the fact that the contested states of Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, New Mexico, Nevada, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin have sent dueling slates of electors to D.C. This means that the V.P. has to decide how he will handle the situation when two sealed envelopes are handed to him from any of those states.

Macris points out that in 1800, even with constitutional deficiencies in Georgia, Thomas Jefferson blithely counted defective electoral votes from Georgia, effectively voting himself into the presidency. This demonstrates that the president of the Senate is the final authority on any motions or objections during the vote-counting. There is no appeal. That doesn't mean there won't be any outrage. Whatever Pence does, people will be angry. But what does the law demand?

Seven contested states clearly violated their own laws. Rather than list the facts, which have been detailed in multiple articles, we must consider the following:

An election is a process of counting votes for candidates. Only valid, lawful votes may be counted. A valid lawful vote is:

Cast by an eligible, properly registered elector as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
Cast in a timely manner, as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.
Cast in a proper form as prescribed by laws enacted by the state Legislature.

Any process that does not follow these rules is not an election. Anything that proceeds from it cannot be regarded as having any lawful import.

Most commentators suggest that a process of collecting pieces of paper with marks on them is an election regardless of errors, omissions, and even deliberate malfeasance. This is a mistake. Imagine a golf tournament where every bad shot by one player gets a do-over, but the competing player has to follow USGA rules in detail. One player gets to drop freely out of hazards, but the other has to tackle every embedded ball as it lies. The result is a travesty.

The same thing applies to elections. If there is a handful of improper votes, we can suggest that there was in fact an election, perhaps tainted, but the election wasn't materially harmed. But when the people charged with managing the election decide to ignore the law, whatever process they supervise is not the process defined by the law. Therefore, it is not an election.

This leaves V.P. Pence with a dilemma. He is a gentleman who regards our governmental traditions with a degree of reverence, so he will be reluctant to take any bold action. But as an honorable man, faced with massive illegality, he must act to protect the law. Consider how things might go down as the two closed envelopes from Georgia are handed to the V.P. Rather than opening them, he says:

In my hand are envelopes purporting to contain electoral votes from Georgia. They are competing for consideration, so it is essential that I consider the law that governs this. That law, according to the Legislature of Georgia and Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution is the Georgia statute that includes procedures for signature-matching on absentee ballots, a requirement that all absentee ballots be first requested by a legitimate voter, and that election monitors be meaningfully present at all times while votes were counted.

The Georgia secretary of state, who is not empowered by the U.S. Constitution to make changes to election law, entered into a Consent Decree that gutted these protections enacted by the Georgia Legislature. The processes that he prescribed and were ultimately followed were manifestly contrary to that law. Further, the State of Georgia, in unprecedented concert with other states, suspended counting of ballots in the middle of the night, covering its conspiracy with a false claim of a "water main break." We now know from surveillance video that many thousands of "ballots" were counted unlawfully in the absence of legally required observers.

Finally, the State of Georgia, under the authority of secretary of state Brad Raffensperger, a non-legislative actor, used fatally flawed Dominion voting machines that have been demonstrated to be unreliable. In testing, the error rate of Dominion machines has exceeded 60%, far in excess of legal limits. They are designed to facilitate fraud without creating the legally required paper trail. This alone is far more than enough to swing an election.

Since the state of Georgia has failed to follow the election law established by its legislature under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution, it has not conducted a presidential election. Therefore, no "presidential electors" were appointed in Georgia. Further, "electors" "certified" by non-legislative actors pursuant to this process are in fact not "presidential electors." The competing slate of "electors" is similarly deficient, having not been elected through a presidential election.

Therefore, the chair rules that Georgia has not transmitted the votes of any presidential electors to this body. Georgia presents zero votes for Donald Trump and zero votes for Joseph Biden.

The central point is that the VP, as the presiding officer and final authority, has the unquestionable authority to declare that the states in question have not conducted presidential elections. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, but no one has the authority to override his decision.

The statement says nothing about who might or might not have "won" the contested states. Rather, by not following their own laws, as enacted by their own legislatures, they have violated Article II, Section 1. Thus, they have not conducted an election, and their results are void.

If the votes of all seven contested states are registered as zero, President Trump will have 232 votes, and Joe Biden will have 222. The 12th Amendment says, "[T]he votes shall then be counted[.] ... The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be the President[.]"

In plain language, Donald Trump will be re-elected, since he has a majority of the actual electoral votes. There will be no need to involve the House of Representatives to resolve a contingent election.

Richard Nixon chose not to contest the 1960 election because he felt that winning that way would lead to an ungovernable country. If V.P. Pence does this, that same argument might be made. But is the country governable even now? Blue states such as California, Oregon, Washington, New York, New Jersey, and Michigan are already operating in an openly lawless manner with their "emergency" "COVID-related" restrictions. Their denial of the civil rights of law-abiding citizens is horrific. Their refusal to do basic policing and law enforcement is a recipe for open war. How much worse would things be if the V.P. lived up to his oath and upheld the law?

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles...eld_at_all.html

LMAO

The states never sent dueling slates of electors, they ALL certified their elections! Those other electors are Trump selected BS slates. I hope y'all on the right know that any shenanigans that derail the certification by congress will completely derail democracy too! Be careful what you ask for because all FUTURE ELECTIONS will be affected by this crap too. IMHO, it looks like y'all want to start a civil war or something... is that what YOU want?

So... a coup, then?

You missed the important part about qualifications:

Trump ends Obama's 12-year run as most admired man: Gallup

https://thehill.com/homenews/administrat...ired-man-gallup

smh, why? I just don't get it.

A low IQ populace, mixed with so many of them having fallen for the cult of personality. Con men of his level have a draw to the simple minded. Hence 74 million votes.
Hate me all you want trump honks. I stand by my words.

A basic fact about Trump is now clear | Column
Trumpism has a core myth of a rebirth of a nation of Real Americans, writes Mac Stipanovich.

By Mac Stipanovich
Published Dec. 24
The behavior and rhetoric of Donald Trump and his most ardent partisans since he was defeated for re-election have brought into sharp focus a fact that has lurked in the background since the day he became a candidate in the 2016 presidential election: Trumpism is a specifically American iteration of generic fascism.

Before anyone gets their knickers in a knot, I am not suggesting Trumpism is akin to Nazism or even to Italian Fascism with a capital F. But it does check most, although not all, of the boxes outlined in Robert O. Paxton’s authoritative The Anatomy of Fascism, a work untainted by Trump Derangement Syndrome, having been published long before Trump traded in Howard Stern for Sean Hannity.


Trumpism is palingenetic, meaning its core myth is of a rebirth, of the redemption of an idealized nation of Real Americans from the decadence and corruption, cultural and political, of effete liberal elites and malevolent socialists. The Make America Great Again mantra perfectly captures the palingenetic nature of Trumpism, as does draining the swamp and other tropes of purification and renewal. Palingenetic myth is a central pillar of generic fascism.

Trumpism is a classic fascist cult of personality, complete with fervid rallies for the gobsmacked faithful, public bootlicking by obsequious lackeys and hagiographic creations of a Trump legend from the tawdry dross of his actual life. Largely devoid of substantive content and, as a result, unsuited to actual governing, Trumpism is sustained by political theater, whether in the form of flag-waving boat parades or manufactured crises like border invasions.

Trumpism is anti-democratic. Voter suppression is a strategic imperative for it, because, as Trump and Republican U.S. Sens. Lindsey Graham and Rand Paul have all recently said, a lot of folks voting is not good. “If Republicans don’t challenge and change the U.S. election system, there will never be another Republican president elected again,” is the way Graham put it.

Add to this the belief that any election Trump does not win is, ipso facto, rigged, as he maintained would be the case if he lost in 2016 and as he has insisted is the case since he lost in 2020. This belief explains his ongoing attempts to overturn the election results by increasingly desperate means that look very much like sedition, not to mention the calls from his most extreme followers for a declaration of martial law and new elections administered by the military in swing states Trump lost, calls to which Trump has listened and which he has weighed. These are the actions of an autocrat intent on an autogolpe, not of a man committed to democratic values.

Trumpism is anti-pluralist. A constant in the Trump’s demagogic repertoire is xenophobia, with Mexicans and Muslims supplanting Jews and gypsies as the traditional fascist Other, although the perfidious Chinese have now been added to the mix. And Trump is, of course, a Grand Master of dog whistling. As Paxton foresaw, “An authentically popular American fascism would be pious, anti-Black, and, since Sept. 11, 2001, anti-Islamic as well.”

Trumpism is ultranationalist. America First is actually a retread of an isolationist, pro-Nazi slogan from the 1930s. American exceptionalism has morphed into pugnacious America Alone chauvinism under Trump, with white nationalism as its darker manifestation.


But does Trumpism have a fascist paramilitary force, and are intimidation and violence employed as a political strategy? These are works in progress, but the work is progressing in plain sight. The proliferation and increasing activity of right wing militias signal the emergence of the former, and as for the latter, social media is rife with Trump die hards talking of civil war, Republican state legislators in North Carolina, Virginia and Michigan have endorsed violence to save the country from a socialist takeover, and the Arizona Republican Party asked who is prepared to die for Trump, just to list a few of the more notable portents of violence.

I could continue in this vein, but doing so would be redundant, and space limitations forbid it. The bottom line is that Trumpism looks like, swims like, and quacks like a fascist duck.

But so what? Does it matter? The what is that words do matter. Calling things what they are is the foundation of truth, and truth is necessary for democracy to function. The truth is fascists are passing as patriots, and they must be challenged. No one who poses a danger to the Republic, as every fascist does, should be allowed to wrap themselves in its flag with unremarked impunity.

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2020/12...GsrbbCfQ9_1GMbw

I think any neutral could read that and connect the dots and see why and where Trumpism fits all those examples.

I think any Trump fan boy will simply dismiss it. #factsdontmatter and they are certainly inconvenient, so best left ignored or mocked.

Yeah, this part was left out, as the libs often tell me:

Opinion


writes Mac Stipanovich.

Sure, but some opinions are so fact based they’re hard to deny or refute. Then you get opinions like ‘tRumP Won THe ELecTiOn’... which is based in myth, lies, and utter nonsense.

One can have an opinion that they prefer chocolate over vanilla. The thing is when they come at you with ‘the earth is flat’ we no longer have to take them seriously. As the absurdity of their ‘opinion’ is so disturbed and unrealistic that they render themselves unworthy of being heard.

As is often said, you can have your own set of opinions but not your own set of facts.

PA State Rep. Russ Diamond Serving PA's 102nd Legislative District





PA Lawmakers: Numbers Don’t Add Up, Certification of Presidential Results Premature and In Error

Dec. 28, 2020
HARRISBURG – A group of state lawmakers performing extensive analysis of election data today revealed troubling discrepancies between the numbers of total votes counted and total number of voters who voted in the 2020 General Election, and as a result are questioning how the results of the presidential election could possibly have been certified by Secretary of the Commonwealth Kathy Boockvar and Governor Tom Wolf. These findings are in addition to prior concerns regarding actions by the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, the Secretary, and others impacting the conduct of the election.

A comparison of official county election results to the total number of voters who voted on November 3, 2020 as recorded by the Department of State shows that 6,962,607 total ballots were reported as being cast, while DoS/SURE system records indicate that only 6,760,230 total voters actually voted. Among the 6,962,607 total ballots cast, 6,931,060 total votes were counted in the presidential race, including all three candidates on the ballot and write-in candidates.

The difference of 202,377 more votes cast than voters voting, together with the 31,547 over- and under-votes in the presidential race, adds up to an alarming discrepancy of 170,830 votes, which is more than twice the reported statewide difference between the two major candidates for President of the United States. On November 24, 2020, Boockvar certified election results, and Wolf issued a certificate of ascertainment of presidential electors, stating that Vice President Joe Biden received 80,555 more votes than President Donald Trump.

The lawmakers issued the following statement in response to their findings:

“We were already concerned with the actions of the Supreme Court of Pennsylvania, the Executive branch, and election officials in certain counties contravening and undermining the Pennsylvania Election Code by eliminating signature verification, postmarks, and due dates while allowing the proliferation of drop boxes with questionable security measures and the unauthorized curing of ballots, as well as the questionable treatment of poll watchers, all of which created wholesale opportunities for irregularities in the 2020 presidential election.”

“However, we are now seeing discrepancies on the retail level which raise even more troubling questions regarding irregularities in the election returns. These findings call into question the accuracy of the SURE system, consistency in the application of the Pennsylvania Election Code from county to county, and the competency of those charged with oversight of elections in our Commonwealth.

“These numbers just don’t add up, and the alleged certification of Pennsylvania’s presidential election results was absolutely premature, unconfirmed, and in error.”

State Rep. Frank Ryan (R-Lebanon) indicated that state legislators sponsoring and participating in this analysis were himself and Reps. Russ Diamond (R-Lebanon), Dave Zimmerman (R-Lancaster), Barb Gleim (R-Cumberland), Stephanie Borowicz (R-Centre/Clinton), Dan Moul (R-Adams), Paul Schemel (R-Franklin), Dawn Keefer (R-York/Cumberland), Eric Nelson (R-Westmoreland), Mike Jones (R-York), Rob Kauffman (R-Franklin), David Maloney (R-Berks), David Rowe (R-Snyder/Union), Kathy Rapp (R-Warren/Crawford/Forest), Daryl Metcalfe (R-Butler), Jim Cox (R-Berks/Lancaster) and Brett Miller (R-Lancaster).

http://www.repdiamond.com/News/18754/Latest-News/PA-Lawmakers-Numbers-Don%E2%80%99t-Add-Up,-Certification-of-Presidential-Results-Premature-and-In-Error

Yawn. As always, more unfounded and baseless claims...

The Pennsylvania Department of State released the following statement in response to the Republicans' claims:

"In today’s release Rep. Ryan and others rehash, with the same lack of evidence and the same absence of supporting documentation, repeatedly debunked conspiracy theories regarding the November 3 election. State and federal judges have sifted through hundreds of pages of unsubstantiated and false allegations and found no evidence of fraud or illegal voting.

"Now, the legislators have given us another perfect example of the dangers of uninformed, lay analysis combined with a basic lack of election administration knowledge.

"For instance, it is quite common to have significant "undervotes" for down-ballot races in a presidential election, particularly when there isn't a U.S. Senate race on the ballot. In 2000, Sen. Santorum received 200,000 more votes than President Bush, but the US Senate race still had more than 100,000 fewer votes than the presidential race.

"We are unclear as to what data the legislators used for this most recent “analysis.” But the only way to determine the number of voters who voted in November from the SURE system is through the vote histories. At this time, there are still a few counties that have not completed uploading their vote histories to the SURE system. These counties, which include Philadelphia, Allegheny, Butler and Cambria, would account for a significant number of voters. The numbers certified by the counties, not the uploading of voter histories into the SURE system, determines the ultimate certification of an election by the secretary.

"This obvious misinformation put forth by Rep. Ryan and others is the hallmark of so many of the claims made about this year’s presidential election. When exposed to even the simplest examination, courts at every level have found these and similar conspiratorial claims to be wholly without basis.

"To put it simply, this so-called analysis was based on incomplete data."

https://wjactv.com/news/local/pa-republi...ers-dont-add-up

You'd have thunk that if there was any merit to this then they would have used it in the courts when they were challenging. But nahhh - they went to the courts with nothing but their John Thomas in their hands. That didn't go down so well.

With all the total crap based on absolutely nothing that you post - I think and educated opinion piece holds infinitely more credibility than anything you have posted since the election.

#factsdontmatter.

I just have to categorize the Tampa Bay article in the same vein as the original start of this thread article in the American Thinker.

It is fun to some to bring out all the -isms and compare Trump to whatever form of extreme political philosophy that provides a parallel. To me it is juvenile/sophomoric and does not help the discourse. It's like snack food, you know its not good for you, yet you're plowing it down.

It is NOT an educated opinion piece.

It reads like a PhD compared to the lunacy that has been posted by Fish. That was the point. And the comparison stands no matter how you want to shine a light on it. The opinion has merit. The lunatic postings of angry Trump of Cult have none.

And actually I think history and historians of all types will spend eons breaking down exactly what Trump was and how he fit the molds of so many isms and despot characteristics.... he's going to be the basis for classes and thesis's on how the masses can be fooled and how power can be manipulated to keep a borderline lunatic in power even in a country like the USA. 50 years from now there will be enough evaluation and theory on just how bad Trump was and how he got elected and subverted the GOP - to fill a library. Just my personal opinion.

Which is "lunacy" at its finest!

I would like to send all the die hard Trump supporters some primo high grade weed. Imagine the paranoia (peeking out of the blinds at home all night) it would induce, lmao. Plus it might have the added benefit of getting the stick out of their butts and resetting their critical thinking abilities and world views. Just a thought. lmao

EDIT - An acid trip might even be better. We could just put that in their Busch beer.

There is absolutely zero evidence or fact behind any of the wannabe Orange King's claims of election fraud or stolen election. You keep posting this wild ass fiction. You are in denial. Or trolling. Either way you reap what you deserve.

No, it is garbage, the real challenge would be to explain how an immoral liar that you would never aspire your child to become gets the support of the Christian Right or blue collar rural voters.

For all the talk of kindness, being grateful and humility, Trump laughs as he separates children from parents then conveniently loses the contact information.

Hanging up their trump art soon.