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#Browns Notes: NFLPA president JC Tretter wants offseason program eliminated, coordinators make case to keep it https://t.co/AkoaWET3Xl via @923TheFan

I side against the players.

You are paid an ABSURD amount of money to do nothing but show up to your freaking JOB and take care of your body..... WHY is this even a negotiating point except that you are freaking PAMPERED and SPOILED?

I side with coordinators (and you, Purp). What hardship! Willing to lower your pay for less time on the clock?

Middle ground should be abundantly available for a working and workable compromise. I just don't feel they are victimized now and don't feel the burning need for Tretter's proposal. I would want to see how widespread the "demand" is for this change. If I am a coach required to perform and hit goals, I would see this as a hindrance.

Tretter is an idiot..I kinda don't want a pansy like him on our team. gmafb..oh you have to get your fat asses in shape during the offseason while making more money than the average person would make in 10 lifetimes..boo hoo. I think the owners really need to take back some control..This is getting ridiculous now. Chosen profession, know the risks, get paid handsomely to do said job. Don't like it, find new profession. Hundreds of thousands ready to fill your vacancy

Tretter is far from an idiot.

He represents the desires and wishes of the union, not just his own. When he speaks like this he speaks for every player, not just himself.

He's the idiot? Give me a break.

He also played hurt all last season, and is playing hurt right now. Hardly a pansy ...

He's actually quite intelligent and his degree is in labor relations, so he is ideally suited for his role as union president.... that doesn't make the proposal any less sad.

The ONLY justification and caveat I can accept is covid. Why risk everyone congregating in one place if they can work out from anywhere? I concede that, but that would be a one-off thing for the coming offseason and not a permanent change going forward. Once the covid concerns are mitigated, they need to be there.

I doubt the Browns are going to renegotiate the League CBA with JC Tretter, union rep or not. Anyone who has ever negotiated knows that you start out asking for the moon with the hope that your "adversary" (employer) will at least move somewhere close to the "reasonable" middle. If anything, JC is signalling the direction that the next CBA negotiations will head.

He's not a union rep... he's the NFLPA President. He is precisely a part of who the Browns and the other 31 teams will be negotiating with.

I misspoke - I knew he was the Prez - but nevertheless, the current CBA expires in March, and IMO this is the opening salvo by the NFLPA. The NFL may reduce the off season requirements on players, but they are not going to eliminate them, and Tretter knows that. It may not be anything more than a bargaining chip that the players are willing to "concede" to increase the dollars/percentage of revenue.

It very well could be. Ask for everything, give up what you don't care about so much.

The early stuff is voluntary anyway. They get paid to be there but it is a stipend.

j/c...

Owners are going to add a 17th game to the regular season and it could be as early as 2021.

Players will argue for additional time off in order to protect their bodies. Less wear and tear.

This isn't a big deal at all. If anything, 2020 proved the early off-season programs are unnecessary. Cut down the number of preseason games as well.

J/C


I don't care what they do to be honest. I see pluses and minuses each way.

I really don't care if they have off season requirements or not. How does it help or hinder players being ready to play come seasons start? And how does it effect the quality of the product? If studies support less injury risk with put quality suffering why should I care if they practice in May or not?

Same... I could careless.. if it keeps them healthier longer I'm all for it...

With the increased likelihood of a 17th game (which will NOT increase salaries and contracts already in place), it is quite likely and understandable that the players want off season concessions.

They'll probably settle with removing the mandatory requirements of some OTA's and trimming 1 (maybe 2) games from the preseason.

The vast majority of players show up at OTA's whether voluntary or not, so this should be a no-brainer. Heck, if a guy never shows up for any voluntary team activities, more often than not, he's not particularly committed to the club anyways.

Wouldn't call him an idiot by any stretch. He's carrying water for his group as a player & as their president. Deserves to be heard and his ideas considered. I have no feelings strongly leaning one way or the other on this. But the process is crucial. Players are fortunate to have somebody with his qualifications fronting them.

Some ideas are floated in negotiations just to plant a seed for later rounds. Maybe this is a talk starter.

The way I see it, is 2020, showed them that a lot of the classroom stuff can be done on zoom. Players are at home and still learning. The physical training still needs done in person.

IMO, some of the stuff is unnecessary, but for new systems and coaches, more time is better. These camps are like 3-4 days long, gimme me a break, I think they can give that much for the salaries they earn.

I agree ... they’ve realized the “in person” stuff can be cut back

j/c

Reading some of these threads are hilarious to me. Tretter speaks for the NFLPA, not himself. Nobody who watches football believes that preseason games are played with the same intensity as regular season games. The suggestion that cutting back on preseason games in exchange for an extension of regular season games is an equal trade off is preposterous at best. Do injuries still occur during preseason? Yes they do. They also happen in practice.

I'm not sure if people are clueless on how negotiations work or just use raw emotion before common sense when posting. This is nothing more than an opening salvo in negotiations. It's not something that should cause outrage from anyone.

Are there other people wanting to play in the NFL? Of course there are. Just rewatch inferior products like the USFL, the XFL and arena football to see where that would get you. Johnny Football anyone?

Calling Tretter an idiot is idiotic.



No kidding. I wish we would have gotten everything we asked for in the first rounds of contract negotiations.

TOUCHDOWN BROWNS !!!!!

17-9 BROWNS

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Too bad for JC that they just renegotiated the CBA.

Yes, hundreds of thousands of NFL-ready centers just hanging out waiting to fill that spot on one of the best OLs in the NFL.. hundreds of thousands.. probably down at the NFL unemployment line right now wondering why their phone isn't ringing...

Far too much of the "that's the way it's always been so that's the way it should always be" in the world. Things change, people working from home right now for companies that swore working from home would never be successful for them.

Open the communication, look at injuries, look at the product on the field, look at all of it and figure out the best path forward. Imma watch football next year regardless.

I'm okay if they scale things back. They're professionals. They don't need a company telling them that they need to keep in shape

Especially if they 5+ year professionals.

The NFL is going to be looking for 17 games very soon as well. Let them save their bodies for where it matters

There is going to be 17 games next season.

the NFL became very prescriptive years ago in an attempt to "be fair" and to prevent some coaches from absolutely killing players with overwork in camp.

I would like to see the NFL give the teams more discretion.. put a minimum and maximum amount of team practice time and let the team decide how they want to use it as long as its within that range.

Young teams with a new staff (like us this year) might opt for a little more... established staff with established players might opt for a little less..

This is basically what I was going to add. In any negotiation like this you want to frame with the extremes. He knows full well this would never be final position. But you put a stake in the sand and you work back from there. Negotiations 101.

Yet any extension to the regular season was not covered. So if the NFL wants to negotiate that, there will be further negotiations needed.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news...l810w4vgssi5aho

The obvious thing being missed here is Tretter is not and never will "negotiate with the Browns". The Browns are only one of the thirty two teams in the NFL. The NFLPA negotiates with the entire league as a single entity.

I don’t know that that point was lost. Not on me anyway.

I guess I should have been more specific. This is from Dave's post.

Thanks for the information.

I was trying to say the same thing you are saying, apparently not as well. Clearly it is an issue between the NFLPA and the entire league, not just JC Tretter and the Browns.