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I hope they bother to proof read it before they print it

trump supporters on common sense.

We're all a bunch of duped sheep. Only they have a direct line to The Truth.

j/c...

You will see on Jan. 6th. Hopefully it will cause Republicans to at least endorse a decent human being in 2024. That's why Joe won. It's because you set the gauge so low. A poodle would have won.

It's disgusting that every level of court in our nation, election officials of both parties in several states as well as his hand picked head of the DOJ plainly state there was no widespread voter fraud. Even many Republicans are disgusted by this and yet he and some of his followers advocate a dictatorship over a democracy.

I never want to hear them talk about the constitution again. They only believe in it when it suits their purpose and rail against it when they wish to impose their will.

They don't have a patriotic bone in their bodies.

There's many one liners that suit this POTUS. None more succinct and accurate than this.

j/c...

And the REAL attempt of The Big fraud continues....

Pence asks judge to reject Gohmert lawsuit asking the VP to interfere in the Electoral College count

Vice President Mike Pence's lawyers asked a federal judge Thursday to reject a request from Rep. Louie Gohmert of Texas that attempts to force Pence to ignore electoral votes of several key states when Congress meets to certify the 2020 presidential election next week

Pence argues that the legal issues raised by Gohmert, along with a slate of Arizona Republicans, should be addressed to the House and Senate (if they should be raised at all).

Gohmert's lawsuit is a last-gasp attempt by Republicans to persuade Pence to interfere in the declaration of President-elect Joe Biden's victory and flip the election for President Donald Trump. The brief, filed with the Eastern District of Texas, does not say if Pence would entertain that possibility, but there is no public indication he will.

"Plaintiffs have presented this Court with an emergency motion raising a host of weighty legal issues about the manner in which the electoral votes for President are to be counted," Pence's filing states. "But these plaintiffs' suit is not a proper vehicle for addressing those issues because plaintiffs have sued the wrong defendant."

Pence later adds: "(A) suit to establish that the Vice President has discretion over the count, filed against the Vice President, is a walking legal contradiction."

The lawsuit falsely claims the election was stolen by Democrats, citing unproven allegations of fraud that federal and state courts have rejected again and again. Gohmert and the Republicans argue that the Electoral Count Act unconstitutionally binds Pence to the Electoral College count certified by the states, saying that Pence has "exclusive authority and sole discretion" to count the states' electoral votes.

"Under the Twelfth Amendment, Defendant Pence alone has the exclusive authority and sole discretion to open and permit the counting of the electoral votes for a given state, and where there are competing slates of electors, or where there is objection to any single slate of electors, to determine which electors' votes, or whether none, shall be counted," the suit argues

Pence's filing pointed out the irony of Gohmert's argument. "Ironically, Representative Gohmert's position, if adopted by the Court, would actually deprive him of his opportunity as a Member of the House under the Electoral Count Act to raise objections to the counting of electoral votes, and then to debate and vote on them."

At least 140 House Republicans are expected to vote against counting the electoral votes on January 6, CNN's Jake Tapper reported Thursday. Gohmert has said he will be one of them.

There have been no credible allegations of any issues with voting that would have impacted the election, as affirmed by dozens of state and federal courts, governors, state election officials and the departments of Homeland Security and Justice.

Both a House member and senator are required to mount an objection when Congress counts the votes. Republican Sen. Josh Hawley of Missouri said Wednesday he will object, which will force lawmakers in both the House and Senate to vote on whether to accept the results of Biden's victory.
The Justice Department gave the White House a heads up earlier this week that the Pence filing was coming, according to a person familiar with the matter. Word was sent to chief of staff Mark Meadows that the department would be asking the judge to reject the lawsuit. White House counsel Pat Cipollone was also aware it was coming.

It's not clear whether Trump, who remains furious at the Justice Department for its perceived inaction on voter fraud, was informed himself. He has taken an interest in Pence's role during the January 6 proceedings, though Pence and others at the White House have tried to explain to him that it's merely a ceremonial post.

House General Counsel Doug Letter filed an amicus brief with the court on Thursday, asking for the Gohmert case to be dismissed, calling it a "radical departure from our constitutional procedures and consistent legislative practices."

"This Court should dismiss the complaint and deny the extraordinary and unprecedented relief requested: a declaration that the Electoral Count Act is unconstitutional and an injunction that would interfere with the time-honored procedures of Congress for counting electoral votes. Plaintiffs lack standing; their claims are barred by laches; and their legal and constitutional claims—which this Court should not reach—lack merit," Letter stated.

"At bottom, this litigation seeks to enlist the federal courts in a belated and meritless assault on longstanding constitutional processes for confirming the results of a national election for President," the House attorney added.

The Trump campaign is also continuing its quest at the Supreme Court with the same baseless and unproven voter fraud claims. It twice this week asked the court to overturn Biden's win in Wisconsin. Other cases from the President and his allies looking to throw out Biden's victories in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Wisconsin and Arizona are pending on the court's docket.

Also Thursday, attorney Alan Kennedy, an elector for Biden and Vice President-elect Kamala Harris in Colorado, asked to join the lawsuit to oppose Gohmert.

"(N)either the Constitution nor Electoral Count Act offer any basis for claims by people who are not duly elected and certified presidential electors to replace duly elected and certified presidential electors solely because such non-electors were not elected, but would have liked to have been elected, resulting in their preferred candidates losing re-election," Kennedy said in court papers. "Plaintiffs' claims to the contrary find no support in the text of the cited constitutional provisions or the Electoral Count Act, and are contrary to the whole point of holding elections."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/31/politics/pence-gohmert-electoral-college-lawsuit/index.html

Once again, I NEVER want to hear Republicans say anything about how they stand for law and order or the constitution. They only use those things as excuses to get what they want. When it doesn't suit them, they wish to overturn them.

How does all this help save lives from Covid?

Not everything that goes on in our nation revolves around Covid. However, if they can keep you distracted into thinking it does, there will be a lot of things they will do that won't get noticed.

j/c...

Courts have had enough of the nonsense.

Jesus Christ this Trump Tape

Trump doesn't even sound like he believes what he is saying. He just wants them to go out and recount and find some good people that "want to find the answers" .... and we have sick scum that are jumping on board with promoting violence on the back of these lies that HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO credibility. Hopefully Trump gets fully and unreservedly exposed for being the crook he is in the fullness of time.

I hope there is something legally criminal in these tapes or treasonous that gets him thrown in jail.

Again, there's only one person trying to steal this election.


https://news.yahoo.com/trump-georgia-runoffs-190320492.html

'I just want to find 11,780 votes': Trump attacks Georgia officials as crucial runoffs approach

Jay Busbee
Sun, January 3, 2021, 2:03 PM EST


ATLANTA — Just two days before the Georgia runoffs that will determine the leadership of the Senate and one day before a rally on behalf of the Republican candidates, President Trump has continued to unload on the GOP officials leading the state.

In an extraordinary development, Trump attempted to cajole Republican Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, according to the Washington Post, which published audio of their call on Sunday.

“So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have,” Trump told Raffensperger, laying bare his overriding goal of overturning the November election results.

President-elect Joe Biden won Georgia on Nov. 3, the first time the state had gone for a Democratic candidate since 1992. Despite three vote recounts, Trump has continued to insist that the voting was tainted, casting a wide range of allegations without any credible evidence to back up his assertions.

Trump continued to attack Raffensperger while addressing their call hours before the Post published the audio.

“I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia,” Trump tweeted. “He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the ‘ballots under table’ scam, ballot destruction, out of state ‘voters,’ dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”

“Respectfully, President Trump,” Raffensperger replied on Twitter, “What you're saying is not true. The truth will come out.”

On Sunday afternoon, the truth did come out in the form of the Post publishing audio of the conversation. In the course of the call, Trump attempted on multiple occasions to induce Raffensperger to change the results of the election, one way or another.

“The people of Georgia are angry, the people in the country are angry,” Trump said. “And there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.”

“Well, Mr. President,” Raffensperger responded, “the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong.”

Trump’s extraordinary attacks on Georgia’s electoral process come at a particularly perilous time for Republicans, who are seeking to maintain their majority in the Senate. Incumbent GOP Sen. David Perdue and Sen. Kelly Loeffler are in tight races against Democratic challengers Jon Ossoff and Rev. Raphael Warnock, respectively.

If Republicans win either of the two races, they’ll keep their Senate majority and the ability to constrain Biden’s agenda and key nominees. If Democrats win both races, the Senate will be split 50-50, with Vice President-elect Kamala Harris breaking the tie in the party’s favor.

Trump’s focus on his electoral loss in Georgia has forced Loeffler and Perdue to walk a rhetorical tightrope, trying to woo voters to return to the polls while not actively countering Trump’s claims that Georgia’s election system can’t be trusted. And Trump has shown no signs of relenting in his criticism of the state’s electoral process.

“Republicans in Georgia must be careful of the political corruption in Fulton County, which is rampant,” Trump tweeted Sunday. “The Governor, @BrianKempGA, and his puppet Lt. Governor, @GeoffDuncanGA, have done less than nothing. They are a disgrace to the great people of Georgia!”

There are nevertheless signs that the Republican candidates are trying to put some daylight between themselves and Trump. Loeffler’s statewide December barnstorming tour, for instance, was called the “Senate Firewall Tour” — a concept that appears to accept the reality of the incoming Biden administration and Harris’s potential tie-breaking vote in the Senate.

More significantly, neither Loeffler nor Perdue has signed on to an effort by nearly a dozen Republican senators to oppose certification of election results. Trump noticed, retweeting a call for the two Republicans to join him: “Why are my own #GA Senators @KLoeffler & @Perduesenate not supporting this effort?”

Trump is set to speak Monday night in Dalton, Ga., in support of Loeffler and Perdue. But in his previous rally in December, Trump spent little time whipping up enthusiasm for the candidates, instead focusing on himself and his electoral loss.

The president’s supporters have gone so far as to tell Republicans not to vote in the election in order to expose the alleged corruption in the system. Billboards around Georgia have appeared with Loeffler and Perdue’s photos and the accompanying slogan “Perdue/Loeffler didn’t deliver for Trump. DON’T deliver for them.”

Trump seemed to feed into that on his call with Raffensperger. “You have a big election coming up and because of what you’ve done to the president — you know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam,” he said. “Because of what you’ve done to the president, a lot of people aren’t going out to vote, and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative, because they hate what you did to the president. OK? They hate it. And they’re going to vote. And you would be respected, really respected, if this can be straightened out before the election.”

Multiple Republican voters interviewed by Yahoo News over the course of the campaign have indicated that they intended to vote, but not without some trepidation.

“I have no clue how they do [voting tabulation] today,” said Doug Wright of Milton at a recent rally featuring Ivanka Trump. “But I will always vote for the Republican Party.”

“We’ve been concerned about a lot of what the president’s been saying, people voting from out of state, dead people voting,” said a man at the same rally who would identify himself only as “Andrew.” But when asked he and his wife, Brandy, would vote, both immediately answered, “Absolutely.”

Early voting in the runoff election has concluded, and Election Day is on Tuesday.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
I spoke to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger yesterday about Fulton County and voter fraud in Georgia. He was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the "ballots under table" scam, ballot destruction, out of state "voters", dead voters, and more. He has no clue!
This claim about election fraud is disputed
8:57 AM Jan 3, 2021Twitter for iPhone



GA Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger
@GaSecofState
Respectfully, President Trump: What you're saying is not true. The truth will come out
10:27 AM Jan 3, 2021Twitter Web App

from Forbes tonight:

"Whether Trump's threats and demands in the phone call have legal implications.
Legal experts told Forbes it's possible the president's violated the law, though prosecutors would have to prove what specifically the president was threatening. Matthew Seligman, who is currently teaching a class on disputed elections at Harvard Law School, said there are two legal theories under which Trump could face legal liability:
Ga. Code 21-2-597, which makes it a crime to attempt to "intentionally interfere with, hinder, or delay" someone from performing duty under the election laws, and Ga. Code 21-2-604, which makes it a crime to solicit or request that someone violate their legal duties under a narrower subset of the election laws.
"The president's statements on the recording sounds like an attempt to interfere with Secretary Raffensperger's performance of his duties, or a request that he not follow the law," said Seligman, though he explained it could be difficult to prove Trump's intent:
"Being vague or circumspect is no defense to criminal liability, but the president's delusions do make it harder to determine what he really meant."
University of Richmond Professor of Law Carl Tobias and University of Buffalo School of Law Professor Jim Gardner, an expert in election law, both agreed that Trump's conduct could be a violation, but stressed that it depends on the details of the phone call.
"A Georgia prosecutor may be reluctant to pursue that case at least partly because of the difficulty in detecting exactly what Trump was threatening to do," said Tobias."

Want to restore confidence in elections?

Ha Ha. You've made your bed now sleep in it!

Now that you allowed the democrats to lie and steal on a scale never before seen in the united states,
there is no more confidence in elections.

Well, they could start with the entire democrat party, dissolving into the pits of (the lake of fire)

that might be a start,
but,

Logically, nobody can believe election results in the USA, no matter what they say.

Short of, Displaying every persons, name, address, and vote, in physical form, (none of this online crap)

Short of a physical display of every single vote, and a verifiable identity to go along with, (and background info, on every voter) and unchangeable, and reviewable, physically able to be counted,

short of that, nobody can have confidence in votes in the USA from hence forth.

It's over! The American experiment is over.

What's left? Some Mad Maxx, harsh reality like about kin to South Korea or Hong Kong, just some middle illusion, or allusion of freedom and truth,
and
top down dictate.

Who we kidding, there's no use in trying to hold up a curtain, when the emporers smelly (exposure) has been

exposed for the world, and all doubt has been removed.

What are they going to do next, have Mickey Mouse come out and say, "oh your vote is keen Smile! .!"

when everyone knows it's a full of crap statement.

Dear Lord.......according to 1 side, trump has violated every law known to man.

complete transcript of the phone call

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...2356_story.html

That's gas lighting.

Trump owns what Trump has done and said. No more or less.

Maybe you are good with the POTUS instructing a fellow Republican to throw out the election results and find nearly 12,000 votes in order to subvert the will of the people and change the results of a fair election .... Most aren't. Even those that have supported Trump through his 4 years.

Facts. Evidence. Details .... they should matter to you. They should matter to everyone.

Well, if you light gas on fire, it explodes. There are some on here that have been waiting for an explosion for over 4 years. The end.

I find it ironic, in an idiotic way, that kamala biden won the election, or so we're told, yet all we see on here are people bashing trump. Not how great kamala / biden will be. Ya'll still bashing. That tells me something.

I see you edited your post.

Facts DO matter to me. Perhaps they don't to you?

Tell me what facts you are referring to?

Trump lost the election. There is no mass voter fraud. There was no "stolen election" - that's fact.

Fact some people drink trump Kool-aid

We know Biden will be great and undo what trump has tried so hard to do. trump is a lame duck pos President and deserves all the bashing he receives from every source. Winning just isn’t what trump does. Never has been.

He's done enough in office to be lock up for 500 years... imagine what would have happened if Hillary had won and done all of this crap... The only thing republicans would be doing is investigating and going after her. Trump will be getting his justice soon I think, unless Biden pardons him.

Hey buddy. Personally, I don't know what to expect from Biden/Harris. I wasn't thrilled with them.

As far as Trump goes, however, with things like his tweets, this recorded call, and all the claims he is making and fervor that he is drawing up, I think it's fair to expect passionate reactions.

Even for those who think Biden might do a good job, it's hard to focus on his inauguration when you have someone who is currently in office that is laser focused on overturning the possibility of their administration commencing.

I think we know what we can expect.... More of the same that gave rise to the sentiment that carried Trump to where he is (for) now.

I'm sure there is a mental expert out there that can go into this in far more depth, with far more expertise and eloquence, than I can, but politics is one of those arenas where an individual's fervent loyalty remains resilient, no matter what the objective facts say.

I see it with my own family, which I have talked about before. The example there is you have an engrained, Republican voter who voted for McCain in 2008, and Romney in 2012.

They supported their platform, put signs in their yards, and were adamant supporters. Fast forward to the Trump administration, and those same people despised McCain (while he was alive) and Romney because they opposed Trump's view. Both people were still consistent in their platforms, consistent in their beliefs, but they stood contrary to the president. Because of that, alone, they became persona non grata to many. It's that fervent loyalty.

It's not just the Right, either. It's both sides.

I liken it to parents sometimes hearing that their child has done something bad, even when the objective facts are apparent. Like when Tsarnaev's mom found was informed her children were the culprits in the Boston marathon bombing. She denied it and referred to her children as "Angels" despite the clear contrary.

It's a state of denial and an inclination to believe what one wants the truth to be. When someone hears facts that become inconvenient, then in today's society, that person has the option of tuning into any number of media stations that can provide them with reinforcing, "comforting" facts to feed that denial. Or, that person can fall back to a comfort zone echo chamber.

I am not above that notion either. For so long, I had been encapsulated by it, until, after many uncomfortable self-conversations, I was able to lift the veil and remove my loyalties and preconceive notions (for the most part). It has been a very liberating experience that has simplified my political life. There is no need to feel like I have to stick up for someone when the facts state that person is in the wrong. It's merely trying to gather what the facts say, and drawing a conclusion.

Applying that notion to the current scenario, I don't objectively see how one could not be gravely concerned by the phone call. To say he wants them to "find" those votes is objectively him looking to undermine the most core principle of our government.

We also have a system in place where voter fraud can be litigated, and challenges can be made through the court system. I'm not going to fault Trump for that. However, when it is a myriad of suit after suit that is failing across the court system, in certain cases where the judges were appointed by the president himself, and where votes are being counted in a state that is run by the same party as the administration, I think his supporters have to objectively face the facts. Otherwise, it really harkens back to the whole dynamic of "nope, my kid would never do that!"

Yeah, it's so insanely toxic right now.

I'm hoping that there is a way to calm the storm after he leaves office, but the problem is that the dynamic that got him into office will still exist, and the base has been galvanized more so. Too many politicians the likes of Ted Cruz, Lindsay Graham, and others are incredibly opportunistic and willing to further this in order to increase their own influence.

I don't know what the solution is, but I'm with you. There is an assumption that Biden is a return to our pre-existing normalcy, which was more stable on the surface, but still very flawed and detached. His admin will need to do a lot to overcome massive divides. I'd like to see it happen, but I doubt it does. He's been a product/contributor of the problems we've had in place, combined with the fact that many who oppose his administration have been radicalized to the point of not even giving him a chance.

No, but he's working on it. On the other side we have disgusting people making excuses for his terrible behavior. Have you picked your poison yet? It would seem so from your post.

Posting this for the joke that it is before fish posts it to support his arguments


'Gondor has no king': Pro-Trump lawyer files a bizarre election lawsuit citing the imaginary kingdom in Lord of The Rings
Sophia Ankel
Sun, January 24, 2021, 6:09 AM

A Trump supporter filed a lawsuit making baseless claims of election fraud with the use of "Lord of the Rings" references.

Lawyer Paul Davis, who filed the suit, was fired earlier this month after he recorded himself storming the Capitol.

The suit explains how the fictional land of Gondor is missing its rightful kings and that a "stewardship" should be issued.

A Texas lawyer, who was fired from his job after he recorded himself storming the US Capitol earlier this month, filed a lawsuit that presented baseless allegations of election fraud with the help of bizarre references to "Lord of the Rings."

Trump supporter, Paul Davis, filed the lawsuit in the Waco Division of the Western District of Texas a day after the inauguration of President Joe Biden.

The 54-page suit was filed in the names of small conservative groups in the state, including Latinos for Trump and Blacks for Trump.

It makes several unusual requests and allegations, but mostly pushes baseless claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election, which Trump lost by over 7 million votes.

The court filing gets outlandish when it starts to make references to the fictional land of Gondor in J. R. R. Tolkien's fantasy classic "The Lord of the Rings."

"Gondor has no king," the lawsuit states, alongside a footnote which then goes on to explain the analogy.

Davis proposes for the court to issue a "state of stewardship," which would mean that Congress and Biden should be temporarily supervised until Trump returns to take the "crown" of the kingdom.

"This analogy is applicable since there is now in Washington DC a group of individuals calling themselves the president, vice-president, and Congress who have no rightful claim to govern the American people," the case states, according to the Guardian.

"Since only the rightful king could sit on the throne of Gondor, a steward was appointed to manage Gondor until the return of the King, known as 'Aragorn', occurred at the end of the story," it continued.

Davis then goes on to ask the federal judge to act with "courage" and to "take a stand against tyranny," according to Salon.


'Absurd legal arguments'

In the complaint, Davis also argues that every vote cast in the election was illegal, making the "entire 117th Congress illegitimate," according to the lawsuit.

He asks the court to ban every sitting member of the House and Senates, all 50 governors, as well as Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg from ever holding elected office or voting in an election.

Adding to its wishlist, the complaint also requests that all actions of the new Congress - including certification of Biden's win and the second impeachment of Former President Donal Trump - be invalidated.

The document has since been condemned by legal experts. Ciara Torres-Spelliscy, a fellow at the Brennan Center for Justice at the NYU School of Law, told Salon: "One thing that Americans learned during the post-election litigation is how little patience courts have for absurd legal arguments."

"This legal effort to declare Congress illegitimate will be laughed out of court and could lead to sanctions for the lawyer bringing such a claim," Torres-Spelliscy added.

Davis, who was an associate general counsel at a Texas insurance company, was fired earlier this month after posting Instagram videos of himself on the front lines of the January 6 Capitol riots.

In the complaint, the former lawyer also asks the court to protect him from being taken into custody for his actions during the insurrection.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gondor-no-king-pro-trump-110947868.html

Giuliani: Dominion suit is act of intimidation by ‘hate-filled’ left


OAN Newsroom Monday, January 25, 2021

Rudy Giuliani criticized the $1.3 billion lawsuit filed against him by Dominion, calling it “another act of intimidation by the hate-filled left.”

On Monday, Dominion Voting Systems filed the suit in a federal D.C. court, accusing Giuliani of spreading false allegations of voter fraud. In a statement soon after, Giuliani said the cost of the the lawsuit is to “frighten people of faint heart.”

However, President Trump’s attorney took the suit in stride, saying it will allow him to investigate the company’s history, finances and practices fully.

“We get to see the machines that are crooked, the ballots that are fraudulent, and if we’re wrong, we will be made fools of,” Giuliani said. “But if we’re right, a lot of them will go to jail. So, let’s have a trial by combat.”

Nice move, Dominion — now you have to give @RudyGiuliani and anyone else you sue complete access to the actual machines used on 11/3 AND they have to be unwiped — still containing the results from that day. It's called discovery. Not a smart move.

— Joe Pags Pagliarulo (@JoeTalkShow) January 25, 2021

Giuliani said he will be filing a countersuit against Dominion for violating the Constitutional right to free speech and the ability of lawyers to defend their clients vigorously.

For months, Giuliani has accused Dominion of swinging votes in favor of Joe Biden in the 2020 election.

DISCOVERY: A 68% ERROR rate found in votes PROVES intentional fraud!

PA, AZ, GA, MI, and WI should agree to let us audit the Dominion machines. If they didn’t cheat, what are they afraid of? We MUST have an audit!

Rudy Giuliani’s analysis HERE: https://t.co/Ri9Q1GJMzF pic.twitter.com/FpTtVfS7bg

— Rudy W. Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) December 21, 2020

“We believe from what we saw in Michigan that the machines have an inaccurate vote, that they’re programmed to give Biden somewhere between a 2% and 5% advantage,” Giuliani stated.

Dominion has been targeting allies of President Trump with legal action following the election. However, the company said it is still weighing whether to sue President Trump himself.

https://www.oann.com/giuliani-dominion-suit-is-act-of-intimidation-by-hate-filled-left/

How many times do I need to tell you that this is a theory straight from QAnon????