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Meh. Deflection.

How about we hold Trump and Rudy and Gohmert and Cruz and company accountable for their actions, words and what they set in motion?

How about we hold Biden accountable for his words, actions and whatever he sets in motion.

How about we deal with what's slapping us in the face instead of trying to deflect and play philosopher?

That kind of thinking will do absolutely nothing to fix anything meaningful after coming out of this. Nothing that contributed to putting Trump in the White House is addressed. I knew you wouldn't be able to see anything other than hate for Trump. How long will Trump remain your boogyman?

They have recovered weapons from yesterday.

Who knows if anyone of the people who entered had concealed handguns on them.

Really? my kind of thinking is to prosecute these terrorists to the fullest extent of the law right now. Including their instigators.

Putting trump in the White House was done by his supporters not by average Americans or even the majority, and then the deplorable GOP leaders coddled his every whim. This doesn’t need to be rehashed it’s the true history in full display everyday of this failed administration.

Just a thought ... what happens to people's opinions and who is accountable if a delusional Trump supporter, believing he is doing right by the country, assassinates Biden? I mean - looking at how the President has groomed and cultivated this fervent believe that America is being stolen from them, that would seem like a next step for one of these Whackos right?

I'm actually quite apprehensive about what will take place at the inauguration.

If people have the rights to keep their trump signs and flags flying I have the right to call them all terrorists. What I’m trying to say is anyone coming close to gov’t property remotely associated as a trump supporter should be arrested on site.

If you are identified as being in a restricted area outside or inside. Ten years in prison... next!

The disease has never escalated to the point of sedition and and attacking our own government. It has never escalated to the point where a rally was held where a presidents lawyer called for "Trial by combat" and then our president sent them to the location of the battle.

You can blame the environment of division on both sides to some extent. But people have been fighting and even riots have broken out for social justice for decades now. While it doesn't diminish they are criminal acts when it becomes violent, this isn't something new or something that has come about by the current social climate.

You can try and spread the blame on the division around, but not what happened yesterday. That was all on Trump.

I agree that there is much wrong with the system and that lead to Trump being enabled / elected. None of that will get addressed or fixed while we try to figure out what is the correct course of action to take today, after the incidents of yesterday. But using that "bigger picture" to avoid addressing what needs to be done today - with Trump directly influential (I'd say responsible for - but that might deflect from the discussion) - does a disservice to the events and the actions of people like Cruz and Gohmert who have fed this baseless conspiracy theory.

The libtard left is responsible. They made violence a daily event for months such that it became the norm and glamorized in the media.

The libtards are too stupid to see it though.

from the inside yesterday

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2...-history-455715

That they will. It’s a given. It’s the way of trump. Distract and deflect. Then move on to the next stupid blunder move trump makes and forget this one. Not this time.

Putting Trump in the White House was absolutely done by average Americans who were disenfranchised with the state of our society. It couldn't have been done otherwise. I think to believe otherwise is delusional. In my opinion, I think these were average people who were rightfully frustrated with a poor establishment in place, but then, IMO, Trump manipulated that trust by validating it, vowing to drain the swamp and cure everything wrong, and then acted out in his own self-interest for four years while focusing his followers on fictitious villains.

Hitler didn't make it into power because of the Nazi party. That was his platform, for sure, but he made it into power because he pledged a sense of pride and renewal to the average, downtrodden citizen.

The point oober is making, and that I agree with, is that Trump is absolutely to blame for this. Yes, he needs to be held accountable. Yes, everyone needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

BUT, when that's over, we're still left with the quagmire that enabled him. I would argue that it's even worse, because now there's a validated play book on achieving demagogic power in a foundational democratic-republic. To overcome that, it will most definitely take all of us. It will definitely take both sides renewing their sense of getting a pulse of their constituents' needs, rather than pumping fear and anger into them to deflect from their own political self-ambitions.

It is when the average citizens renew their sense of faith and trust in the government that all the idiots get pushed back into the fringes.

Trump is the boogeyman. His lawyer just told his followers "trial by combat" then trump sent them to the destination of the battle.

And here's the problem maybe you would like to address? As long as Trump keeps stoking the fire by calling the opposing party the enemy, as long as he continues to say that the opposing party is going to destroy America, as long as his followers keep listening to that, how do you propose we "fix this"?

You see, if you have enough gullible people willing to only listen to what they want to hear, who believes every lie that gets regurgitated out of Trumps mouth, there will be no solution.

The only solution that can be found is if, and only if, Republicans turn back to sane people like they had in John McCain and Mitt Romney to lead them. If they return to a time when it was the principals of their policies they stood on, not creating an enemy of our own citizens.

There used to be a lot of good political discussion on this board. It revolved around the issues and policies of the opposing parties. Not a cult of personality that stoked pure hatred and division. Not one with a fabricated and false sense of reality. While some disagreed with the policies and ideas of Mitt Romney or John McCain. They were men of character and standards.

Those days are gone. And only Republicans can fix that.

You need another drink. I’m buying this round.

That is absurd.

Going down your line of thinking: I see Bill break into someone's car. He gets away with it and nobody calls the police. So, I break into someone's car because he got away with it. So, now it's Bill's fault that I broke into someone's car?

How adult of you. Let me explain something for the simpletons. We have seen riots over racial issues since the 60's, that's nothing new. Only when trump's lawyer told them "trial by combat" and then trump sent them into battle have we seen sedition against our own nation.

Then Trump told them he was going with them. Of course the coward wouldn't do it. He deserted them and went to watch them on TV like Benedict Arnold would do. I guess maybe his bone spurs were acting up again.

And now you use the same logic a child uses in grade school. "The liberals made me do it!"

Maybe you should read what I wrote.

Don't you have a cliff to be led off of?

She used to try and post. Now she has become nothing more than a troll. Someone had to fill in for 40 cent.

I think there is a much greater burden on the Republicans. Much greater. I would not argue against that, whatsoever. They were the chief enablers and opportunists. Nothing can get fixed if that doesn't get fixed. And, sadly, I don't know how that gets fixed. There's too many dirtbags left in power on that side who would have to admit their faults (good luck).

I think there are two separate conversations going on now. One is who is at fault, which, for the most part, seems to be largely in agreement. The other is how we fix things.

Going to the latter part, I think what you said is correct. However, I can't help but see the early signs of fractions in the Democratic party that was present in the Republicans back in 2015. I don't think (hopefully) that it would lead to the Liberal version of Trump, but there is a need for the Dems to relate back to the average citizen.

If they go back to doing something like putting Hillary up as a candidate, they're going to falter in that regard.

Yeah but I wasn’t stupid enough to follow you over it.

You went over it a long time ago dude.

I don't see how anything I said was unresponsive. You blamed the "libtards" because they normalized violence.

Did you read what you wrote?

So you are saying the libtards didn't normalize violence? There's months and months of them doing this in 2020? The morons on the left thought it was great. It was celebrated by the media.

Then you turn around and act suprised when the right fringe does something violent.

You reap what you sow.

My example stands.

Man, that is some first class deflection. Kudos.

Why don't you go start a poll.

The Left is on the precipice of criminalizing identity!
Something historically that happened to the Jews in 1930's Germany.

I don't care about Trump. I have never cared about Trump.

Trump lives rent free in the libtard's heads. Their butt hairs are lit on fire every day.

It's kind of hysterical.

By the way, when did this become about being surprised? I don't think all that many are surprised that these people acted violently. I think many are surprised as to the magnitude.

The conversation was about who is to hold responsible. It's nice to know that someone else can act irresponsibly so that they get blamed when I act irresponsibly later.

Please elaborate?

I would just like to add that I find it interesting he is using the holocaust to bolster his point when there were people there with shirts on yesterday that stated 6MNE or "Six Million Not Enough"...

I don't really disagree with you. The divides run deep in both parties at this point. Many moderate Republicans have fled the party like the cancerous mess it has become. While the far extreme right or Trumpian portion of the party makes the most noise, there are still many common sense, moderate Republicans that exemplify what the others claim Republican values stand for.

I certainly differentiate between Republicans and Trumpians. With the loss of this election, not only in the presidential race, but losing the entire state of Georgia in the senate as well, I can see how a lot of Republicans may have a come to Jesus moment.

As far as the Democrats, yes there is a real division there as well. Much like many Republicans do with Democrats, many Democrats lump all Republicans the same. Both sides are 100% wrong. Anyone who actually follows this forum has seen myself and OCD go around and around. While we voted for the same candidate, we see the path forward very differently.

We have posters like DC who is what I consider a common sense, conservative yet moderate Republican. And he isn't alone in that. So IMO, both parties have huge divides within their ranks. The only difference I see at this moment in time is that the radical wing of the Republican party is currently in control of them... The moderate wing of the Democratic party is in charge of them. I think that in and of itself is what swung the presidential election.

As much screaming as Trump and his minions did, anyone who has paid attention to politics for long knew damned good and well that claiming Biden is some far left wing progressive was a lie.

The best I can hope for out of all of this is that both parties splinter. The far left of the Democrats and the far right of republicans start their own parties. At least at that point it wouldn't be hard to know the difference and we would all have four choices instead of two.

Magnitude? This is nothing. Maybe they should start arson and looting like the libtards did. Take over parts of cities. You know, actual violence. And do it for the next 6 months.

If you believe that thats on you. No one was celebrating violence