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Since the insurrection on Wednesday lead by qultists, I've heard a ton of different representatives and senators from the right talk about how important unity is right now.

Unity without accountability sounds reactionary and just sweeping all the piling feces underneath the rug. Let's step back a little bit.

In the other threads, I've read many of you asking "how did this happen? How and why did police just let people walk right in?"

Well, let's start at what surrounded the capitol before the qultists showed up.

Here was the "main" entrance point of the insurrection attempt by the qultists.



Here is what the detail was to protect the Lincoln Memorial.



This article details how the Sergeant at Arms and Capitol Police said this would not be a huge deal, and completely downplayed concerns of Maxine Waters as she was relyaed information from now deplatformed Parler about a plan to storm the Capitol on the 6th. Sund, head of the Capitol Police, expected this to be a first amendment protest while disregarding the concerns about storming the Capitol.

In a business insider article I cannot post here, due to the white supremacists that hurled awful racial slurs at the officers, Black officers that work for the Capitol police found these same warnings in days prior. They were shrugged off by their superiors.

Someone dropped the ball, either knowingly or unknowingly, and there needs to be an entire review. I know the Seargant at Arms and Sund will be gone within days, but a full review needs to be done to expose elements of white supremacy.

For years, a contingent of us have tried explaining that the FBI has evidence of white supremacist leanings and neonazi sympathizers inside of law enforcement. Check some articles from first-hand accounts of what happened when the qultists descended upon the capitol. Many stepped out of the way, took selfies,and flashed their badges at officers protecting the Capitol.

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Lots of the same individuals preaching unity also claim to let David Dennison/Individual-1/Fascist in Chief ride out the last days of his term.

For the last four years, multiple people on this web address have shown multiple examples of fascism from the man who incited the crowd to the Capitol.

From individuals who claim to love law and order soo much, why aren't more on board with using the 25th and/or Impeachment? Is it some hope for some redemption angle for a 2024 run of Make America Fascist Again? Impeachment prevents the fascist from trying to undo our democratic republic as he just tried this past week.
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So what say you? Do we need unity without accountability?

I don't really care if Trump rides out the last few days or not. I just want all the names of those who still support him recorded on 'the list'. We will need that for the trials.

Unity is important, but ending the delusion so many are mentally trapped in first is more important. We should try to rescue as many as we can from themselves before write them all off. I unfortunately think most of them would rather die than see reality.

Unity and accountability sounds like a pretty good rally cry for any sane person. Transparency regarding all the false election fraud claims - transparency regarding the days and communications leading up to the 6th - transparency regarding the sequence and communications during that day.

If there are officers sworn to serve and protect that were active in aiding and abetting the insurgency - then they need to be identified and they need to now be working for any law enforcement ever again. If there were politicians with a darker agenda than just occupancy and protest they need to be identified.

Calls for unity while downplaying or just overlooking the crimes committed on the 6th and by the POTUS is just what it sounds like, lip service.

And how the hell are we supposed to have unity with them thinking like this? smh

Honestly I'd only be interested in that if the Republicans gave it support too .... and if they Republicans gave it support wouldn't it be better to simply remove him through the 25th amendment?

Not interested in a show. Just act with cross party support, or don't and just investigate and find the truth of political influence once Joe is in office.

Why impeach a president that has only 10 days or so left?

What does the president have on congress?

To get satisfaction for what they have tried to do the last 4 years ... SMH

Even if it happens after he leaves the oval, a conviction would stop him from ever holding a fed office again. It would also set a precedent that this sort of behavior is not going to go unpunished. If Trump gets away with this clean, what stops the next guy? Imagine if Obama/Biden organized the BLM and other leftie groups nationally with numbers in the millions and showed up at the capitol, heavily armed, to overthrow the duly elected government and make the US a socialist communist state... would you just let them go?

The 25th Amendment would be much better for this country (in terms of preventing division -- and also in terms of securing the nation for the next 10 days) than impeachment.

Unfortunately, congresspeople can only control one of these processes.

Impossible.

My vote is to just forget all this crap and enjoy the Browns win.

Go Browns!

I hear you. trump supporters want to forget the crap trump laid down and move forward without holding him accountable. We get it. Use any excuse.

Go Browns!

I mean - 5 people got killed by politicians -- but my team won a sport!

Forget it

Then you might want to avoid PP for the next two weeks while we impeach this man AGAIN.

And this time the Senate will have a trial. And trump will be found guilty. Unless pence steps up and does his duty and invoke the 25th first.

Blunt: Trump Impeachment ‘Clearly Is Not Going to Happen’

10 Jan 2021

Senator Roy Blunt (R-MO), chairman of the Senate Republican Policy Committee, said Sunday on CBS’s “Face the Nation” that removing Trump from office with impeachment is “clearly is not going to happen.”

Discussing the riots, anchor Margaret Brennan said, “Are Republican leaders going to hold him accountable in any way for it?”

Blunt said, “I think the country is is the right to hold presidents accountable. The president should be very careful over the next 10 days is that his behavior is what you would expect from the leader of the greatest country in the world. My personal view is that the president touched the hot stove on Wednesday and is unlikely to touch it again.”

He continued, “I did, the day Senator Hawley announced he would be contesting those electoral votes, announced that I would not be. When Senator Cruz said he had a plan to put back in place a commission like the one formed in 1877, I said that wouldn’t happen. I wasn’t interested then or now in spending a lot of time on things that can’t happen just like the impeachment of the president to remove him from office clearly is not going to happen between now and the last day he is in office.”

He added, “As Nancy Pelosi just said and Jim Clyburn said earlier today, this is more

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2021/01/10/blunt-trump-impeachment-clearly-is-not-going-to-happen/

Hey, over 375,000 people and counting have died. We're up to over 4000 a day dying while trump hasn't said a word about it weeks. Yet they still support him. Why would you think 5 more would make a difference?

The only real part of that anyone with a brain could agree with is that he won't be impeached by the senate. Just like everything else, Mitch simply won't bring it to the floor. He will stall it. The only way it even gets heard would be after Biden is sworn in as president.

As for the rest of that BS, it's actually the duty of the senate to hear and debate the articles of impeachment. They depend on people like you who have no clue what the constitutions says to spread their lies.

I don't... honestly...

So for 4 years he acts like a douche, lowers America's standing everywhere in the world other than countries that have dictators that Trump kowtowed to ... but he needs to behave himself for the last 10 days??? Hilarious.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2020/...onavirus-badly/

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world...0-b1449879.html

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countri...ountries-report

And all those reports were from BEFORE the Trump incited occupation of the Capitol Building. LOL.

Don't worry -- I think now Trump has finally learned his lesson... This is the moment when he becomes presidential.

Pretty sure 'peen's post was to be taken with humor.

As far as the two pictures you posted..

The one at the Capitol was at the very beginning of a protest which was expected to be peaceful.

The one at the Lincoln Memorial was like day 5 or 6 of violent protests (nationwide) that had seen buildings burned, looted, and monuments defaced/destroyed.

It's not hard to identify why security had escalated. I have read this intellectual dishonesty many times from CNN and others. Comparing the governments response to one 6 hour event to an aggregate of the governments response to everything that happened during BLM protests in dozens of cities that raged on over weeks of time and did immeasurable damage to people, property, and businesses.

Go back and read up on the May 29 BLM protests in DC, the first day. The only injuries were to some police officers, the only action against the protesters was a little pepper spray and the police force was minimal. As the protests escalated, the police response escalated.

I'm not condoning or condemning anything the police did in either situation, nor am I condoning what happened at the Capitol or any of the violence or destruction from the BLM protests... but had the Trump protests raged on for days, don't you think the police response would have escalated as well?

What happened at the Capitol is unfortunate, anybody who breached the inside should be tracked down and punished. There should be an investigation into why officers moved barricades, opened doors, stood aside, and took selfies with the protesters.. horrible actions by all of them and people should be punished at the highest levels if the officers were directed to act this way.

At least you used the right word "insurrection" and not a "coup" as I've seen it called. An insurrection is a violent uprising, which I think this was.. a "coup", this was not. A coup is about taking power from or overthrowing the government. If you are having a coup, you don't seize one of the 3 main buildings of the government (Whitehouse, Capitol, Pentagon) then walk around for a few hours taking selfies and then voluntarily leave.. you set up a camp, you make demands, you hold hostages.. this wasn't a coup.

Removing him from office a week before he would be gone anyway has pros and cons and I don't really care one way or the other. I will be glad when he's gone, as much as I dislike Joe Biden.

This is the biggy. With Mitch breaking with Trump so publicly during the counting amid the backdrop of Trump doing so poorly in the popular vote, I would hope his folk could muster the tiny bit of courage to be opportunistic and see this through. The Republican party is a mess in large part due to Trump, and putting a definitive end on his political career could go a long way to helping the party recover.

The earliest a senate impeachment trial can possibly start is Jan 20th. Guess who has control of the senate Jan 20th? Also Pelosi can hold the articles until the 20th. The main thing is making sure trump never holds public office again.

I have seen many Trump supporters on Twitter, big names with big followings, talking about splitting from Republican party and forming "The Patriot Party".. the problem with that is that the whole Trump phenomenon is built on his personality, it's not built on a political platform with strongly held beliefs.. if he goes away, the party has nothing left to unify it.

I thought they already chose their party? They are Confederates. That’s the flag they fly under. The flag of traitors. The enemy of the USA. They attacked US in our capitol. If it’s war they want it’s war they’ll get.

If it was war they wanted, they would have kept the Capitol once they gained control of it.

they are very cult-like and they have chosen as their leader a loud mouth entitled billionaire from NY because he strokes their nostalgic ego and they stroke his.

That would be the best thing to happen to the Republican party. Removing the fringe element that seems to have the party by the ear.

Cult like? War started. Many of these guys where in full battle gear. They came for a battle, and started a mini civil war now. But they never had control of the Capitol or they’d taken hostages or killed more. This was an army ready for battle while trump stalled our cavalrymen from running to the rescue. Deplorable if not criminal. Despicable trump and his supporters. This is war. Arm yourselves. Trump supporters are coming for you and your families.

I don't think everybody in that crowd wanted war (the vast majority were probably peaceful -- and some planned to be peaceful and then got caught up in violence).

But there was definitely a contingent that was looking to kill senators -- they were armed, some were organized (some were not) -- and they would have continued had they had the chance.

A fringe element that has mobilized an army to fight against the USA? Besides, 25% of America is not a fringe element.

You're no better than the buffoons that argue all Democrats are Socialists.