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MAGA figureheads and pro-Trump activists are vowing to excommunicate Republicans who vigorously oppose the doomed effort to keep President Donald Trump in power.

The threats have played out in recent days with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who was once seen as a possible ally in Trump’s efforts to overturn President-elect Joe Biden’s win in the swing state. But Raffensperger has consistently refused to validate Trump’s baseless voter fraud claims, and on Saturday, he bluntly told the president the rigged-election theories were simply wrong. After a recording of the Saturday call leaked to the press, the MAGA world erupted with incandescent range.

“A national security threat,” proclaimed Charlie Kirk, MAGA youth leader and Turning Point USA co-founder. “Brad Raffensperger should immediately be investigated.”

In the coming days, that MAGA revenge complex could target everyone from low-level members of Congress to Vice President Mike Pence, as Congress meets on Jan. 6 to formally certify Biden’s victory. “Republicans,” Trump warned on Twitter, “NEVER FORGET!” speaking to lawmakers who have said they will not oppose Biden’s certification. And Trump allies are plotting to fund potential pro-MAGA primary challengers to oust those disloyal Republicans.

“We’ll put some money behind” trying to oust these Republicans, said Alex Bruesewitz, one of the organizers of Stop the Steal, an organization linked to high-profile MAGA personalities that is helping organize a major Jan. 6 pro-Trump rally in Washington.

The swift move to vengeance offers a preview of how Trump and his MAGA community plan to reshape the GOP in the coming months — creating Trump loyalty tests for Republicans, then working to evict anyone who doesn’t fall in line. The goal is to identify those who are most worthy of inheriting the MAGA base with Trump out of office. But the result may be that no one except Trump can rally the MAGA coalition.

“I think that Trump and his supporters in the base, or his supporters in the Republican Party, are going to continue to be a big part of the party for the foreseeable future, including in 2022,” said Alex Conant, a GOP political consultant and the former communications director for Sen. Marco Rubio’s 2016 presidential campaign. “Most congressmen don't wake up in the morning worried about their general election. They worry about their primary.”

At the moment, Trump is focused on eviscerating Raffensperger, who has rebuffed Trump’s attempts to subvert the Georgia election results — and so, too, is his base.

While Trump’s allies launched a normal fusillade of personal attacks against Raffensperger — former House Speaker and Trump ally Newt Gingrich called him “anti-Republican” — they also called for criminal charges. Some suggested it had been illegal for the call to be recorded, even though Georgia law only requires one party in a conversation to consent to an audio recording. Others went further.

“Traitors in our midst,” tweeted Chanel Rion, White House correspondent at the pro-Trump outlet OAN, along with the hashtag “#InvestigateRaffensperger.”

Next, MAGA attention will focus on Capitol Hill, where Congress will meet on Jan. 6 in a joint session to formally certify November’s presidential election. Pence will oversee the proceedings as vice president. Historically, the gathering is an afterthought, a noncontroversial rubber stamp on an already settled outcome.

But in the Trump era, the president, scores of Republicans and throngs of his supporters are insisting that lawmakers should refuse to sign off on the results, incorrectly arguing that the election was rigged.

Trump-supporting entities are trying to concoct novel constitutional powers that Pence could wield at the last minute from his largely ministerial perch, which mostly involves opening the envelopes with each state’s Electoral College votes, and then handing them to a secretary for recording. Alexander Macris, a video game writer who became known for his role in Gamergate, the online harassment campaign targeting women, suggested in a viral essay that Pence could re-interpret the 1877 Electoral Count Act in a way that would allow him to simply not count the votes.

Edward Foley, the director of the Election Law Project at Ohio State University, flatly rejected the interpretation.

“I mean, it was raised in the 19th century, but it’s never been accepted in the sense that the Supreme Court's never adopted it. It's never even prevailed at Congress,” he said.

That hasn’t stopped pro-Trump outlets like The Gateway Pundit from making tantalizing offers directed at Pence.“Pence can place himself in the history books alongside Thomas Jefferson or he can sign off on the destruction of the United States as we know it,” read an op-ed on the site.

Others have traded carrots for sticks: Prominent conspiratorial-minded figures, such as pro-Trump Georgia lawyer Lin Wood, claimed that Pence could be arrested, tried for treason and executed by firing squad if he did not act on Trump’s behalf. And out in the wilds of the QAnon conspiracy community, the process might not even matter: Pence, some argued, might be a body double, put in place by a Satanic cabal to further its plots.

Lawmakers in Congress, meanwhile, have different concerns on their hands: Many will soon seek reelection. And for a certain brand of politician, going MAGA is the safest bet.

“Most of these people that won during the [2020] primaries, they said, ‘I'm the most like Trump.’ And that's why most of them won their primaries,” said Breusewitz, the Stop the Steal organizer. “And so if they go back, the voters will hold them accountable.”

Perhaps conscious of this, several newly-minted representatives have vowed to keep resisting even after Biden is sworn in. Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) pledged to push for a commission to investigate the election. Others are planning to be among those protesting in Washington, D.C. on Jan. 6. Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert, who both gained notoriety for promoting QAnon conspiracies earlier in their political careers, are scheduled to speak at the rally.

As for those who don’t sufficiently fight against Biden’s inauguration, Bruesewitz has promised they will be punished.

“When we say every Republican that does not stand strong with the president will get a primary challenger, that does not mean we believe that we can beat every single one of them,” he said. “But what it means is we will make them spend their money. And we will urge their donors to not support them.”

Even with at least 140 House Republicans and 12 Senate Republicans vowing to oppose certification on Wednesday, Congress will still sign off on Biden’s win. Only a simple congressional majority is needed to formalize the results, which is all but guaranteed given the current makeup of Congress. And Pence himself has remained chilly on the topic, with a spokesperson saying that while the vice president backed the lawmaker’s right to object, it was up to them to actually prove fraud.

For the majority of Republicans, Conant argued, “This effort to undermine the integrity of the election will only help Joe Biden. And I say that because it'll leave Biden's opposition in Congress divided and many Republicans defending a very unpopular position.”

Still, for the right type of Republican, a vast MAGA empire is within reach: Trump’s fundraising numbers skyrocketed after the election, as his campaign solicited donations to fight nebulous voter-fraud allegations. Tapping into that energy could give the most fervent MAGA Republicans a boost in the coming years.

But, as Conant noted, that only works if Trump stays involved in Republican races around the country — far from a certainty once he leaves the White House.

“I suppose if Trump made his life mission to defeat everyone that wasn't loyal with him until the very end, maybe it could have an impact,” Conant said. “Just count me skeptical that he's going to spend the next two years playing in Republican primary politics, when he never showed that much of an interest in doing that when he was president.”

Still, Breusewitz, the Stop the Steal organizer, argued Republican voters are now solidly aligned with Trump.

“Republican voters want to see the party grow in a direction towards the president’s, and continue with the ‘America First’ and the MAGA movement,” he said.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/05/maga-trump-revenge-republican-traitors-454924

Cannibalism has become the latest strategy of the Republican party. Align with Demagogue Trump or be excommunicated.

Hope they keep eating their own until there are none of them left.

Vice President Mike Pence's four years of faithful service to his boss, President Donald Trump, will culminate this week in a ceremonial act he's under increasing pressure to thwart.

"The Vice President has the power to reject fraudulently chosen electors," Trump declared falsely on Tuesday, lending credence to an erroneous theory that Pence can overturn the results of the election during Wednesday's tally of Electoral College votes and again pressuring his top lieutenant to act outside constitutional bounds.

His message came the morning after Trump riled up a crowd of supporters in Georgia using Pence's upcoming engagement on the Senate floor.

"I hope Mike Pence comes through for us, I have to tell you," Trump said Monday night during a political rally in Georgia, where his public arm-twisting was met with cheers. "Of course, if he doesn't come through, I won't like him as much."

It was a direct message to a vice president whose defining political characteristic remains his unyielding fealty to Trump. How Pence proceeds on Wednesday when he presides over the certification of the Electoral College tally could determine his future relationship with the man he has served loyally, even in moments of political peril.
The two men had lunch together on Tuesday, according to two sources. Their lunches are typically put on their public schedules, but was not listed Tuesday.

Over the past several weeks, Trump has become intensely interested in Pence's ceremonial role during the certification of the Electoral College. He has raised the matter repeatedly with his vice president and has been "confused" as to why Pence can't overturn the results of the election on January 6, sources told CNN.

As he was flying to Florida for his vacation last month, Trump retweeted a call from one of his supporters for Pence to refuse to ratify the Electoral College results on January 6 -- a prospect that has captured his imagination even if it remains completely impossible.

Pence and White House aides have tried to explain to him that Pence's role is more of a formality and he cannot unilaterally reject the Electoral College votes. Pence has walked Trump through his largely procedural role in hopes of downplaying the pressure on him, a strategy that doesn't appear to have worked given the President explicitly urged him to take action Monday night without saying exactly what he wanted Pence to do.
There is little expectation among Trump or Pence's aides that he will divert from his constitutionally-prescribed role.

"He will follow the law and Constitution," one person familiar with the matter said.

Undeterred, Trump still seems taken with the idea and has not let up on asking Pence how he could somehow reverse or prevent Biden from being certified the winner, according to people familiar with the conversations.
"He's a wonderful man and a smart man and a man that I like a lot but he's going to have a lot to say about it," Trump said on Monday. "You know one thing with him. You're going to get straight shots. He's going to call it straight."

Traditionally, the vice president presides over the electoral vote certification, though it's not a requirement. In 1969, then-Vice President Hubert Humphrey didn't preside over the process since he had just lost the presidential election to Richard Nixon. The president pro tempore of the Senate presided instead.

One source close to Pence said it is not seen as a good option for Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley -- the current president pro tempore -- to be there instead of Pence on January 6.

Pence and Trump were seen meeting in the Oval Office on Monday, along with White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and Trump's daughter Ivanka Trump, before Trump departed for Georgia. According to Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani, the pair were set to discuss how they would proceed on January 6.

"That decision has to get made by the President and vice president, and they are actually meeting today and going through all the research -- they probably aren't going to make that decision by sometime tomorrow," Giuliani said on a podcast hosted by Charlie Kirk, a conservative activist.
Giuliani ticked though several issues he characterized as constitutional matters that he said Pence and Trump would discuss. He framed the decision as one for both Trump and Pence -- even though the President has made clear he believes Pence should somehow act to prevent the certification, and Pence, in private, has explained his role is merely ceremonial.

On Sunday, Pence met for a lengthy session with the Senate Parliamentarian Elizabeth MacDonough in his office just off the Senate floor. Pence chief of staff Marc Short, who was also in the Capitol and seen at one point going into the office of Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, denied the purpose of the meeting was to find a way to overturn the Electoral College results.

"No," Short said. "We're just meeting."

Asked why he was meeting with the parliamentarian, Short said they are "trying to figure out the exact process."

Still, procedure and process can hardly inure Pence from the outrage of a President who still believes the election was stolen from him and has been fed conspiracies about the results from a band of fringe advisers.
Even as recently as this weekend, Trump's trade adviser Peter Navarro claimed on Fox News that Pence had the power to move back Inauguration Day, contradicting the Constitution.

Last month, Trump offered tacit approval for the lawsuit filed by his Republican ally Rep. Louie Gohmert pressuring Pence into overturning the election results and was later disappointed to learn his own Justice Department was asking a judge to reject the suit, according to a person familiar with the matter. Trump and Pence discussed the matter at the end of last week.

Trump for weeks has told associates that he does not believe Pence is fighting hard enough for him. That frustration is partly what led Pence's chief of staff to issue a statement Saturday night saying he welcomed efforts in Congress to raise objections to the Electoral College, though several noted it seemed carefully worded and did not say he supported the objections outright.

"Vice President Pence shares the concerns of millions of Americans about voter fraud and irregularities in the last election," Short wrote. "The Vice President welcomes the efforts of members of the House and Senate to use the authority they have under the law to raise objections and bring forward evidence before the Congress and the American people on January 6th."

Speaking at his own rally in Georgia on Monday, Pence offered little insight into his thinking about January 6, even as he bolstered Trump's false claims of voter fraud.
Instead, he kept his remarks vague.

"I know we've all got our doubts about the last election," he said. "I want to assure you, I share the concerns of the millions of Americans about voting irregularity. I promise you, come this Wednesday, we'll have our day in Congress, we'll hear the objections, we'll hear the evidence."
Pence did not say what happens after.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/05/politics/mike-pence-donald-trump-electoral-college/index.html

And here we have Trump and some in his closest of circle try and force Pence to not only break the law, but stomp on our Constitution to stay in power while millions still support his criminal activity.

There is no low they won't stoop to to undermine democracy.

#traitors

Yeah, then we'll be left to fight among ourselves.

This probably deserves its own thread but there's just far too much craziness going on to start a new thread for each idiotic thing right now.

Proud Boys leader arrested in Washington, D.C.

Enrique Tarrio, the leader of the Proud Boys, was arrested in Washington, D.C., on Monday, a source familiar with the case told CBS News. Tarrio's arrest was later confirmed by D.C. Metropolitan Police.

He was arrested in response to an outstanding warrant on a misdemeanor charge of destruction of property connected to the burning of a Black Lives Matter banner at a historic Washington, D.C., church last month; but when he was detained, Tarrio also had in his possession two high-capacity magazines, according to a source familiar with the case.

Tarrio's arrest comes just 48 hours before his pro-Trump group is planning to rally Wednesday in Washington, D.C., in support of the president's last-ditch efforts to overturn the results of the presidential election. The D.C. National Guard plans to activate hundreds of troops to support D.C. Metropolitan Police if the rallies proceed as planned. The possession of the magazines is a felony in the District, and if Tarrio is charged with a felony, that could result in a "stay away" order from D.C.

A source familiar with the case told CBS News his arrest was not related to the upcoming demonstrations, but rather to Tarrio's return to D.C. and his alleged past conduct.

A source familiar with the case told CBS News that Tarrio is being held overnight in Washington, D.C. A charging decision in relation to the possession of the two high-capacity firearm magazines — a felony in the nation's capital — is pending. The charging decision is expected before Tuesday's hearing.

Tarrio is currently being held on a misdemeanor charge. The source said hate crimes charges were considered, but the source also said there was a lack evidence to support those charges. Tarrio was arrested by D.C. Metropolitan Police while leaving a D.C. airport in a vehicle, and he was also charged with being in possession of a high-capacity firearm magazine, which is a felony in D.C. A charging decision was pending.

Asbury United Methodist Church, which is on the District of Columbia Register of Historic Places and is the oldest Black church to remain on its original site, said its Black Lives Matter sign was burned in the street during pro-Trump rallies on December 12.

Tarrio told The Washington Post days after the incident that he had participated in the burning of the flag, but he insisted he hadn't participated in a hate crime. He said he would surrender to authorities, plead guilty to destruction of property and pay the church the cost of the banner.

"So, let me make this simple. I did it," he said on December 18.

Asbury United Methodist Church replaced the stolen banner on December 18 and then held a prayer service outside the church, according to The Washington Post.

Tarrio said the Proud Boys were reacting to the stabbing of four members of its group outside a nearby bar. Metropolitan African Methodist Episcopal Church, another historically Black house of worship, also said a Black Lives Matter sign was taken as well. That church filed a lawsuit on Monday against Tarrio for the destruction of the banner.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/proud-boys-leader-enrique-tarrio-arrested-washington-dc/

“We’ll put some money behind” trying to oust these Republicans, said Alex Bruesewitz, one of the organizers of Stop the Steal,"

When Biden gets sworn in they cant go after the election anymore to raise money. So now give them your money to fight bad republican's. Just be a good sheep and keep giving your money.

And the attempted coup continues in Pennsylvania. This time in a very real way.

Pa. Senate Republicans refuse to seat Democrat Brewster in contentious swearing-in ceremony

A Western Pennsylvania lawmaker who won re-election in November was not sworn-in to the state Senate on Tuesday with the rest of the victors, as Republicans voted to deny his seating and ponder a challenge by his electoral opponent.

Sen. Jim Brewster, a McKeesport Democrat who has represented the 45th District for the last decade, defeated Republican Nicole Ziccarelli by 69 votes in the Nov. 3 contest, but didn't get to take the oath of office on the Senate floor with the 24 others who won their races in this cycle.

The GOP majority tabled the seating so members of the Senate could digest both sides of an official challenge by Ms. Ziccarelli, interim Senate President Pro Tempore Jake Corman said on Monday. Ms. Ziccarelli is asking a federal court to toss out votes in the race that would swing the district to her, and urged the Senate, in the meantime, to refuse the official vote certification on the chamber floor.

They did so on Tuesday in what was a messy, contentious session, in which Republicans voted to remove Lt. Gov. John Fetterman, a Democrat, as presiding officer and replace him with Mr. Corman.

Democrats allege that the GOP is trying to steal an election in the 45th District, and senators took issue with Republicans replacing Mr. Fetterman. Senate Minority Leader Jay Costa called it a “hostile takeover” of the Senate.

The day’s session started with a roll call vote on whether senators should be mandated to wear masks that day — and it passed unanimously.

That was the first and last showing of unity.

Sen. Steven Santarsiero, D-Bucks, started with a motion asking that the swearing-in of all senators be postponed until the federal court resolves Ms. Ziccarelli’s case. He alleged that the losing candidate filed a “specious petition” with the body asking it to invalidate the will of the people — a challenge not in compliance with law, and done after the state Supreme Court found the counting of the ballots at issue to be legal.

“I understand that candidates who lose are disappointed,” Mr. Santarsiero said, “but a candidate’s disappointment should not ever result in overturning our democratic process. A candidate’s disappointment should not render a nullity [to] a free and fair election through which Senator-elect Brewster was duly elected to serve the people of the 45th district.”

The effort was shot down by Republicans in a party-line vote.

When the GOP eventually motioned to table the results of the 45th district indefinitely, Mr. Fetterman, the presiding officer, said he wouldn’t recognize the motion, and requested that all certified senators be seated.

As Democrats yelled in opposition and Sen. Anthony Williams shouted that the GOP was violating the state constitution, the Republicans proceeded with a vote to replace Mr. Fetterman with Mr. Corman for the day. It passed on a party-line vote.

Mr. Corman started to run the session, but it didn’t stop Mr. Fetterman and his fellow Democrats from vocally objecting — and at times, seeming to run their own proceedings to counter the Republicans.

“The gentleman who sits in podium is presiding officer of the Senate,” Mr. Williams shouted. “Any such indication otherwise is obviously a takeover of the government.”

When the oaths of office were administered, Mr. Brewster was at the rostrum with his fellow Democratic winners. Mr. Corman objected, and said he wouldn’t authorize the swearing-in unless Mr. Brewster stepped aside. Mr. Brewster did so voluntarily.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/politi...es/202101050125

Stupid. If he was going to burn one, he should have brought it himself. Can't burn somebody else's property.

What seemed so bizarre is not only didn't he cover his face, he also talked to the press about it. And on top of that, even after he pretty much outed himself, he broke Washington D.C.'s strict gun control laws which is a felony.

Well I didn't go into this expecting him to be a particularly bright fella.

Trump reportedly told Kelly Loeffler he'd 'do a number on her' if she didn't back Electoral College challenge
Tim O'Donnell
Sun, January 10, 2021, 12:38 PM EST

President Trump was prepared to "do a number" on outgoing Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-Ga.) last week on stage during the president's final pre-runoff rally in Georgia, a source familiar with the events told The Washington Free Beacon's Eliana Johnson, per Politico.

The implication is that Trump told Loeffler what he said about her on stage was contingent upon whether she backed the Electoral College challenge championed by Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and Josh Hawley (R-Mo.), among others.

Loeffler did plan to object, though it's unclear if the decision was directly related to Trump's alleged threat. Ultimately, the point was moot, since Loeffler lost to her Democratic challenger Raphael Warnock, and wound up voting to certify President-elect Joe Biden's victory afterwards. But the report still carries some significance for analysts, who think it's a microcosm of the larger issues that led to Loeffler's defeat.

Johnson's scoop also further suggests that Trump was willing to let the Republican Party lose control of the Senate for personal gain.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-reportedly-told-kelly-loeffler-173800709.html

Sounds messed up to me. Loefller doesn't have any control over something like that. However, the following of:

"a source familiar with the events told The Washington Free Beacon's Eliana Johnson, per Politico"

is very weak journalism. Who is the source? What's their name, how do I know they're real? Just saying.

Why would you be concerned with what's real?

It's obvious you subscribe to qultist talking points.

It's what passes for journalism these days. You need cite no person. You need cite no proof. All you need today is "someone told me something, and I will put it out there for consumption."

Generally speaking, I'm always concerned with what is real. You aren't?

But, when we get 'news', second or third hand, from un named sources that "this might have happened", I tend wait until proof is put out. Until then?

What kind of response is this? What are you? 5 years old?

The most responsible course of action for a journalist to take is verify the source to be real, credible, name them would be the best. Wait until you know the story is a fact before you publish it. That's what you're supposed to do. You know why you wait? So you don't look like a fool and liar.

Anonymous sources have been a gold-standard of journalism for hundreds of years.

Trump-world also uses anonymous sources constantly (in fact, Donald Trump himself is known to constantly ask that he be referred to as "a person with knowledge of Trump's opinions")

Also, there is this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudonyms_of_Donald_Trump

Five year old responses? I guess you forgot the time you typed out the Hitler salute on here.

You also follow a dude who is Qultist adjacent and shows antivax leanings.

Guessing Parler shutdown has you feeling salty and posting here, eh?

That can't be true ?

Don't drink grape soda.

I also have an anonymous source that I've known since high school and we grew up together but had a falling our shortly around the beginning of college. He moved to Virgnia and got a highly classified job with the CIA. I haven't heard from him in a number of years but just the other day he texted me about advanced information he was given ahead of the capitol incident and that it was really a false flag operation. Because of potential personal and professional risk to his reputation he asked me not to name him.

Totally true. Refs deleted it.

It's understandable that you be skeptical of people who do not reveal their sources. But to claim that is weak journalism is false. Without the source known as Deep Throat, the crimes of Nixon would never have been uncovered.

It's up to a journalist to make sure their source is credible, not their responsibility to name that source.

So yeah arch, it's something that has been used for decades and even longer. It's not "what passes for journalism these days".

I got you all wound up, I love it.

Keep on deflecting, Qultist.

Your friend must not know what the hell is going on our he lied to you.

When people try to overthrow our elections, that's not a false flag.

Unless you're just being facetious in your denial that some of the biggest stories of our lifetime weren't broken wide open based on confidential informants.

What does that word mean?

Tasty shows sympathies towards those who are convinced a global satanic cannibal pedophile cabals are drinking the blood of child. These people follow a man named Q and call themselves QAnons which is essentially a cult at this point. These Qultists drove the insurrection this past week.

The Qultists are the source of every rigged election theory, main drivers of antimask/antivax/covid denial nonsense, and all that other tomfoolery.

Wow. I'm glad I don't over educate myself.......and I quit drinking grape soda.

Seriously, do people waste time on 'sympathies towards those who are convinced of a global satanic cannibal pesophile (another word I don't know).....wait, you meant pedophile....got it know - cabals drinking the blood of children?

There are people like that?

There are people who push such conspiracy theories.

I don't doubt that.

Yep.

Let me know if you want a few investigative reports into the nonsense.

These people are the ones who have generated every single election fraud theory that reached mainstream coverage. This is the stuff that was objected over on Wednesday.

How many times are you going to use that line this week? You've already accused me.., changing "sympathies" for "theories". I think you naborate to sound important!

I use it because people need to understand you and others are peddling dangerous conspiratorial lunacy that has less value than a turd that falls out of a horse’s anus.

Oh. just over 4 years ago it was the russians.

Sorry Rocket, that's the socialist platform... I told you I know nothing about QAnon, nothing!

That's the scary thing, fish. Every single article you post about election fraud involves theories straight from QAnon.

Every. Single. Mainstream. Election. Fraud. Theory.

They all come from QAnon.

As I told you yesterday, please research where the ideas come from.

Seems Qanon lives rent free in your head. Quick get the tinfoil!

Deflect! Deflect!