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I'm just as disappointed in the results from the ALCS, but thanks Tribe for the great run. Here is our roster for next year:
1B Ryan Garko
2B Josh Barfield
SS Asdrubal Cabrera
3B Jhonny Peralta
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CF Grady Sizemore
RF Franklin Gutierrez
C Victor Martinez
DH Travis Hafner
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Casey Blake
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IF AAA or Trade (I'd love John McDonald)
Once again before the season start people are giving Blakes spot away, sitting him on the bench....LOL... 
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You guys sure are taking this well. I know I would have been heartbroken to have been up 3-1 with only a game to win to get to the World Series and then lose those last three games the way they did.
I though you'd be heckling us about the "choke" like there's no tomorrow! 
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Watching CC stink in the playoffs and Manny hit rocket after rocket for a team I despise makes my blood boil. There ain't no stinkin bright side.
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Yes, I'm typing this at school, but were in the Library..I'm allowed.  But, I wanna see the Jeremy Sowers of 2006 back. The guy was supposed to be the #2 stud behind C.C. this year and he imploded like some of our other guys. Luckily, we had Fausto...... Just think of it... C.C. Fausto Jeremy Jake Paul How dominant would that be? 
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I getting a bit tired of settling for the "but they had a great year" stuff. That doesn't fly in Chicago, Boston, New York, Philly, etc. Why should it here?
I'm also tired of the "if you would have told me that the Cleveland {insert team name here} would be {insert said team's record or non-championship playoff accomplishment here} before the season, I would have taken it.
I'm tired of the "T-Ball" mentallity where its OK to not win a championship.
Isn't the whole reason there is a sports season is to WIN the championship of the sport? If not, why keep score and have a winner? Let's just play T-Ball.
Sorry to vent, but when you are up 3-1, finish the deal because you never know if you'll ever get that chance again.
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I getting a bit tired of settling for the "but they had a great year" stuff. That doesn't fly in Chicago, Boston, New York, Philly, etc. Why should it here?
I'm also tired of the "if you would have told me that the Cleveland {insert team name here} would be {insert said team's record or non-championship playoff accomplishment here} before the season, I would have taken it.
I'm tired of the "T-Ball" mentallity where its OK to not win a championship.
Isn't the whole reason there is a sports season is to WIN the championship of the sport? If not, why keep score and have a winner? Let's just play T-Ball.
Sorry to vent, but when you are up 3-1, finish the deal because you never know if you'll ever get that chance again.
what does it matter if a fan says "well, at least we had a good year"?
what does that have to do with anything, what does it matter what we say?
it doesn't change anything, being mad about it, and demanding more does as much as accepting it. nothing.
that stuff doesn't fly in chicago, boston, and philadelphia? are you kidding me?
philadelphia hasn't won a pro title since '83, yet the fill the stands for the eagles, phillies, 76'ers and even the flyers, that means they are accepting it.
people in chicago don't accept it? the cubs with their "wait til next year" motto? who are you fooling?
and boston fans supported the patriots before they became the dominant super bowl patriots, and before the red sox broke an 86 year curse, they accepted it to, just like we do.
i'm really tired of people getting mad at fans for accepting it. what's wrong with moving on?
i've already moved on. i'm jacked about ohio state/psu on saturday, and the browns/rams on sunday, as well as the cavs starting in a week
i think people getting mad at othe fans accepting losing is as dumb as people saying "anything short of a championship is a complete failure"
why even watch then? why put yourself through that, even in your greatest years the odds are against you to win a championship...
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Excellent post, LBJ.
I don't think accepting a good showing that doesn't win the whole thing makes you a loser. I think letting it get to you, make you miserable or cause you hate other people because of it makes you more of a loser.
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I agree with that philosophy, but after all is said and done, question whether the Tribe "made a good showing."
That, I believe, is still a matter of discussion and some subjective thought.
Though they may not have won in the era of "afterthought," there were some critical decisions made at critical times that called for better judgement than was exercised.
Wedge's punishing stubborness to "stick-to-what-got-you-there" did get him through some hard spots, but in the overall picture, cost the Tribe a shot at the World Series.
I am still completely confounded that Blake was allowed to hit into a double play. This is THE decision that put Boston over the top.
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Good Post. I think people are just impatient. Yeah, I know..we've been patient since 1948. That statement I can understand. If you look at it this way, atleast we have a competitive team again. Unlike the 70's, 80's and so on. (Thank God I didn't have to live through that..  ) Look at the Cavs...one pick from returning to glory..one pick from making the face of the city. Reached the Finals last year, sure we coulda done better, but there is always next year. People say "why can't we be like the Yankees and Red Sox and spend money. Cheap ass Dolan" Well, do you really wanna be known as the team that spends a billion dollars on one player and he stinks up the joint in the postseason every year? I don't.  I'm fine with waiting till next year. Personally, I think we'll have a better chance next year. I mean, who the hell thought the Rockies would win 21 of 22?
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Excellent post, LBJ.
I don't think accepting a good showing that doesn't win the whole thing makes you a loser. I think letting it get to you, make you miserable or cause you hate other people because of it makes you more of a loser.
I wish it wasn't GETTING to me but it is. If we had gone down swinging OK. But to be up 3-1 with Colorado waiting on us? Man this was our year. It was all there and we didn't have the guts to go take it.
When CC lost game 5 I think a lot of us saw it coming. Fausto was scared to death and Westbrook at least fought to win. 30-5 about tells it like it is.
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I'm fine with waiting till next year. Personally, I think we'll have a better chance next year.
How many times have we said that about any Cleveland sports team? Guess what? We are still saying it. Disappointment after disappointment. I'd think we'd be used to it by now, but every failed season hurts more than the last one.
Maybe you guys can accept. I have to put up with Rockies fans for the next 2 weeks, and if they win, I have to watch them celebrate while I silently wish that maybe one day Cleveland can give the fans a reason to celebrate. But with all the failures this year(Indians, Cavs, OSU x2) I don't think I can look at another playoff run optimistically until we have actually won something.
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Glad you brought that up,....another possible "misjudgement,"....seeing's how they both had sufficient rest, I was more inclined to start Fausto in Five. That way you would have pitched the starter who actually did a better job against them of the two, and perhaps could have gone with CC in Six, still followed up by Westbrook. Fausto needed to pitch at home; after Drew slammed it, he was toast.
Neither the players' nor Wedgie's fault,...but another thing that really still jerks my chain is the Wednesday off. That put a leash on the runaway dog. Total donkey dong.
Saw the Skinner replay again on the Donavan Show. Ocker made a good point, better to have 1/3 with one out than Gutz on 2 with two. He still should have sent him.
But what difference does/would it make when you don't make a better judgement thereafter anyway ??
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I think after Drew slamed it the whole series was toast. I see what you are saying about starting Fausto at home but it has always been Baseball's way of going at their best with our best.So we had 2 cy young contenders going head to head. Sorry to say they had a real big game pitcher and we had CC, twice. I thought after he blew the 1st game he would settle down and show his stuff.
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I know I felt that way too, but we were both wrong.
The Tribe took these bums all the way to the seventh innning in THEIR yard in the seventh game.
You don't think Sox fans were thinking "holy crap" when Lofton was on 3d with one out ??
At that single point I had forgotten ALL of the "failures." CC, Fausto, Hafner, Sizemore,....
Then Wedge allows Blake to swing away into a double play. THAT's BAD BASEBALL.
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I'm fine with waiting till next year. Personally, I think we'll have a better chance next year.
How many times have we said that about any Cleveland sports team? Guess what? We are still saying it. Disappointment after disappointment. I'd think we'd be used to it by now, but every failed season hurts more than the last one.
Maybe you guys can accept. I have to put up with Rockies fans for the next 2 weeks, and if they win, I have to watch them celebrate while I silently wish that maybe one day Cleveland can give the fans a reason to celebrate. But with all the failures this year(Indians, Cavs, OSU x2) I don't think I can look at another playoff run optimistically until we have actually won something.
It hasn't been all that long, IF you count the Buckeyes win over Miami. That was my son's (he's 28 now) first ever Ohio championship. I can still hear him bawling like when he was born.
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Maybe you guys can accept. I have to put up with Rockies fans for the next 2 weeks, and if they win, I have to watch them celebrate while I silently wish that maybe one day Cleveland can give the fans a reason to celebrate. But with all the failures this year(Indians, Cavs, OSU x2) I don't think I can look at another playoff run optimistically until we have actually won something.
it sucks, i've dealt with it, i dealt with it in 2005 when the tribe choked the last week of the year and the white sox when on to win the world series...
i had to hear it day and night...
and now i'm the one laughing because the browns are better than the bears right now...
but just wish them well, and i wouldn't worry too much, because i think boston wins in 4 games, you just can't pitch to that team...
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Very interesting thread, but I would like to offer my lineup and staff for next year...
CF Grady
2B Asdrubal
C Victor
DH Hafner
1B Garko
SS Peralta
RF Gut.
LF Lofton
3B Blake.
Not many changes I know, but Barfield has proved nothing and until he does his bat shouldnt be in he lineup. I do see Lofton staying one more season to make a run at that elusive championship. If he doesn't get it then his career is likely over. However, if Barfield can prove himself worthy of being in the lineup.... Then Blake will be pushed to LF and Peralta given the chance at 3B. While Lofton is the "mayor" of Cleveland... Barfield provides similar speed, am exceptional glove, Cabrera the chance to play Omar's spot, and bat with a little more pop than Lofton if he returns to his play as a rookie.
I see Travis coming back to par next year, therefore, placing him once again in the clean-up spot.
I see the pitching staff at the start of the season being....
CC
Fausto
Jake
Byrd
Sowers
Once again though, Adam Miller could make his much anticipated push into the rotation this season. That puts an increased value upon Sowers and Laffey who have shown their big league potential. One of these two can be kept to provide depth to the rotation if needed, the other can be traded along with possibly Cliff Lee to get a power bat for LF. If this happen Blake or Peralta will be on the bench and more than likely it will be Blake.
Marte is going to see a lot of PT next year too in the early tages of the season because the Indians need to see what they have in him, IMO. Also I would like to note that Beau Mills, who some say could be on the fast track to the big leagues, should be looked at as an OF. There is talk that he will be a 1B, but that would likely send Garko or Hafner out of Cleveland. I personally see Mills has a Matt Holliday type player.... Great Average and great power. He isn't going to hit 50 HR's, but he could consistenly put up 30-35 in the bigs year in and year out. I look for his name to possibly be brought up in the later part of the season next year. If not then.... Spring Training of 2009.
Others who could potentially contribute the way Gutierrez, Cabrera, and Francisco did this year could be Trevor Crowe and possibly Josh Rodriguez.
The bullpen will probably remain the same with Lewis, Perez, Betancourt, and Borowski seeing much of the work.
This has went on much longer than what I thought so I will wrap it up. This team is young and now they have the experience of going to the playoffs and not only going, but going deep into the playoffs. This is going to be a powerful team next year.
Hafner could very easily return to 2006 form and Grady could have that break out year we've been waiting for. He showed signs of it this year, but his consistency still lacked. Peralta is proving that he can become a force at the plate and give us power to all fields. IMO, Garko will be phenomenal next year. In his first full season, if it wasn't for the huge slump he fell into, he could have hit around .330 or .340. Look for his homeruns and RBI's to go up next season. If Vic, Pronk, and Gark play like they can and should... we could challenge Boston for the best 3,4,5 in the game, espcially if Lowell departs Boston.
It's going to be and interesting season next year. I have confidence that everyone will take this experience and turn it into a more successful push for the ring. We should be playing Wednesday, yes. But... our time is coming! I really believe it is.
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But... our time is coming! I really believe it is.
After this years meltdown, I can never have this kind of optimism. No matter how good we do, or how much we are winning by, there will allows be the doubt that we will choke. The doubts that are results of decades of failures.
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Sorry to vent, but when you are up 3-1, finish the deal because you never know if you'll ever get that chance again.
With this core of young guys, are chances are great going into the future.
Fausto 23 1 full season of experience
Arron Laffery 22 1 full year
Jensen Lewis 23 1 full year
Tom Mastny 26 1 full year
Rafael Perez 25 1 full year
Kelly Shoppach 27 2 full years
A. Cabrera 21 1 full year
Josh Barfield 24 2 full years
Ryan Garko 26 2 full years
F. Gutierrez 24 2 full years
Grady Sizemore 25 4 full years
J. Peralta 25 5 full years
Victor Matinez 28 6 full years
Jake Westbrook 30 7 full seasons
CC 27 7 full seasons
Just look how your our roster really was last season.
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I don't think accepting a good showing that doesn't win the whole thing makes you a loser. I think letting it get to you, make you miserable or cause you hate other people because of it makes you more of a loser.
That's a damn good philosophy for everything in life.
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I've had a few days to dwell on this loss and it's clear to me that 1996 was far worse. That team had so much talent and lost in the first round to the Orioles. I'd take this season over that any day.
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I don't think accepting a good showing that doesn't win the whole thing makes you a loser. I think letting it get to you, make you miserable or cause you hate other people because of it makes you more of a loser.
That's a damn good philosophy for everything in life.
That's all well and good but part of being a fan is being passionate, crazy, silly, overboard, cheering, criticizing, etc. It seems like a lot of the fans here are just okay with "we'll get 'em next year" and just feeling like "oh well". That's fine if that's how you feel, I just found it strange for as excited as everyone seemed to be.
Like I said, I'd have been heartbroken and probably had a few negative things to say about my team losing out on an opportunity that doesn't come along very often.....even if you are a pretty good team. Sometimes 'next year' is a decade or so away....
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Sometimes 'next year' is a decade or so away....
Exactly!
All one needs to do is look back on the White Sox or the Tigers to see how quick it can go away even when you bring back the same talent or more talent.
Just because the Indians have their good core players, doesn't mean the "core" will produce next year. IE Travis Hafner. Nobody expected his bad season, but it happens; to players and teams.
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That's all well and good but part of being a fan is being passionate, crazy, silly, overboard, cheering, criticizing, etc. It seems like a lot of the fans here are just okay with "we'll get 'em next year" and just feeling like "oh well". That's fine if that's how you feel, I just found it strange for as excited as everyone seemed to be.
But bitching, crying, moaning, and critisizing does nobody any good. I am sure everybody is as crushed as I was when it happened, and we would all love for the Tribe to be playing tonight. Why make ourselves, family, and friends feel bad by acting like a two year old that didn't get their way?
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Um, did I say to act like a two year old and make other's miserable? That's right, I didn't.  I was talking about showing some emotion here, which I don't see. I certainly saw it on here before the end, not now. I don't understand it, which is not a big deal.
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There may be some who don't want to express their emotions because others will ridicule them (It's been known to happen ) or they don't want to appear weak. This message board isn't exactly the most supportive environment when it comes to sports disappointments, lots of competitive even mean-spirited folks around.
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j/c Am I disappointed in the final outcome of this series? HELL YES! Am I disappointed in the season that the Indians put together? HELL NO! Personally, I think that's where a good number of Indians fans are coming from here. Absolutely we want the Indians to be playing the Rockies tonight!!! But, how many of us realistically expected the Indians to battle for the ALCS? I sure didn't. I thought ALDS, possibly, but not beyond that. So to get futher than what I had believed most of the season, is a good thing...for me at least!
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I heard lots of Tribe fans who thought they would go all the way this year. I'm glad you guys are happy, I just don't understand it.
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I don't understand why you're saying that. Can you give me a little more to go on?
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to be honest Jules..Im pissed...still am and figure I will be for awhile, at the same time I dont see how ranting, bleaching, and moaning is going to help me or anyone else feel better...I love the Indians for the ride they took me on this year, just wish it didnt feel like we hit a telephone pole so close to finish line
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I said maybe, first of all. What kind of emotion are you looking for from people?
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I'm glad you guys are happy, I just don't understand it.
I don't get why people realistically thought we'd go all the way this year (at least until we got to the ALCS). I didn't think we improved that much in the off season, and we didn't make the playoffs last year. And we still need a few pieces for next year if we want to get to the World Series. (Obviously or we'd be there this year, right?)
Of course, all that above that I just typed is just the ramblings of a woman with the pregnant brain, so take that for what it's worth! LOL!
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That people are too scared and sensitive? LOL.
btw, case in point. I merely have to raise the issue of possible fear and you're laughing at it.
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You guys are acting like I've been saying you should be crying and having a cow. I've NEVER said that. I'm talking about how many people have just said they felt good about the year and they'll win next year. ONE win away from the series up 3-1. I would have expected it if they lost in the first series or got blown out in the second one, but that damn close. I thought people would be more upset by that. I really don't care, and I'm tired of trying to explain what I don't get about the reaction. I think some people just get off on questioning everything I say. LOL. So, I'll just say.....Poor old Tribe.
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btw, case in point. I merely have to raise the issue of possible fear and you're laughing at it.
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