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If all of these social media platforms are deplatforming not just Trump but many groups and individuals who are just conservatives.... and if it is their right as a private company to deny access, then should they be treated as publishers who have to take responsibility for everything that is put forth on their platform? Should they be held to libel laws, etc for things that are said and promoted on their site?

What do they publish? Nothing.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/facebo...ages-2020-08-19

I had to dig a little bit more than I thought I would have, but with Trump being the latest ban it was hard to find anything else. Facebook has taken down ANTIFA pages in the past.

At least they seem to be addressing the most violent of both extremes. I applaud them for that.

Not a lawyer, but I see your point. I haven't heard they are taking down conservative groups, just those plotting violence and promoting lies about the election. You have a link with better info?

link

Exclusive: FBI warns of potential boogaloo violence during Jan. 17 rallies


Yahoo News
CAITLIN DICKSON
January 11, 2021, 11:08 AM

j/c...

Baron might have to grow up broke with dad in jail.

Trump has a huge payment coming due days after he leaves office. He faces a ton of legal problems. He is losing followers, his platforms, and access to money. He's being shunned by businesses around the world.

I feel for Baron, the rest of them deserve this.

70K QAnon Twitter accounts suspended in the wake of Capitol riot

Twitter on Monday announced that it has banned over 70,000 accounts that share content surrounding the QAnon conspiracy theory in the wake of the riot that erupted at the Capitol last week.

The social media giant confirmed in a blog post that it has removed the accounts as part of an effort following the riot last week “to protect the conversation on our service from attempts to incite violence, organize attacks, and share deliberately misleading information about the election outcome.”

“We’ve been clear that we will take strong enforcement action on behavior that has the potential to lead to offline harm. Given the violent events in Washington, DC, and increased risk of harm, we began permanently suspending thousands of accounts that were primarily dedicated to sharing QAnon content on Friday afternoon,” the blog post stated.

Twitter said that “many” of the individuals impacted by the ban “held multiple accounts” that shared content surrounding the QAnon conspiracy theory, which baselessly claims that President Trump is working to expose elites in Democratic politics and institutions running underground child trafficking rings.

The now-banned accounts “were engaged in sharing harmful QAnon-associated content at scale and were primarily dedicated to the propagation of this conspiracy theory.”

Twitter last week permanently suspended accounts for former national security adviser Michael Flynn, pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell and former 8kun administrator Ron Watkins as part of efforts to crackdown on content related to the QAnon theory.

Flynn, who served as Trump’s first national security adviser, has been one of the most visible supporters of the QAnon conspiracy theory.

Twitter also permanently suspended Trump’s account on Friday, claiming that his tweets pose “the risk of further incitement of violence.”

"After close review of recent Tweets from the @realDonaldTrump account and the context around them — specifically how they are being received and interpreted on and off Twitter — we have permanently suspended the account," the company wrote in a blog post last week.

Twitter is not alone in Silicon Valley in boosting efforts to tamp down in misinformation following the riot among pro-Trump demonstrators last week in the Capitol. Facebook on Monday announced that it is taking down content that contains the phrase “stop the steal.”

“With continued attempts to organize events against the outcome of the US presidential election that can lead to violence, and use of the term by those involved in Wednesday’s violence in DC, we’re taking this additional step in the lead up to the inauguration,” the company said in a blog post.

The riot at the Capitol building, which came during Congress’s certification of the Electoral College results in the 2020 election, resulted in at least five deaths, including a Capitol Police officer.

https://thehill.com/policy/technology/53...of-capitol-riot

Tech Giants Join Corporate Reckoning Over Political Spending

Facebook, Microsoft and Google have joined a growing list of big banks and other major companies that are pausing their political spending following last week's violent attack on the U.S. Capitol.

One after another, corporate responses have escalated. Some companies have suspended donations to lawmakers who objected to the certification of the presidential election. Many have halted all of their political donations for a few months. A few have gone so far as to support the removal of the president.

"The outgoing president incited violence in an attempt to retain power, and any elected leader defending him is violating their oath to the Constitution and rejecting democracy in favor of anarchy," said National Association of Manufacturers CEO Jay Timmons, urging Vice President Pence to consider invoking the 25th Amendment, which allows removal of a president deemed unfit to serve.

Money-in-politics groups have welcomed this unusually widespread — and self-initiated — reckoning by corporations over their own role in contributing to the nation's current political state.

"You just can't really overemphasize the role that donors play in the current political calculation," said Meredith McGehee, executive director at Issue One, a nonprofit that works to reduce the influence of money in politics.

of the voters," McGehee said.

Facebook told NPR on Monday that it was pausing the spending of its political action committee for at least the first three months of the year, "while we review our policies."

Microsoft said it's assessing the implications of last week's events, adding: "The PAC regularly pauses its donations in the first quarter of a new Congress, but it will take additional steps this year to consider these recent events and consult with employees."

Indeed, right now — the start of the year right after an election is concluded — is when many companies conduct this kind of review of political spending anyway.

Also, public campaign spending by corporations is much more restricted than spending by super PACs and especially tax-exempt advocacy groups that don't disclose their donors. Plus, a lot of corporate money in American politics flows from individuals, corporate executives and other employees.

Earlier, Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and Citigroup told reporters they would suspend all political donations. Airbnb, Comcast and others said they were suspending PAC donations to Republicans who objected to the Electoral College vote. The newsletter Popular Information is tracking such corporate responses, also adding Marriott and BlueCross BlueShield to the list.

Similarly, Kansas City, Mo.-based Hallmark has asked Sens. Josh Hawley of Missouri and Roger Marshall of Kansas to return $7,000 and $5,000, respectively, in employee donations from the last two years, according to The Kansas City Star.

"I think they have to take a look long and hard at what role has their political spending played in sort of the buildup to this crisis," said Bruce Freed, the head of the Center for Political Accountability.

"The question is — does this have staying power, or is it going to be a move of the moment?" Freed said. "What do they do in six months? ... Is this a real epiphany moment in terms of a change in how companies approach their political spending?"

Last week, Facebook suspended President Trump from both its main platform and Instagram indefinitely. Twitter has disabled Trump's account permanently.

Online merchant platform Shopify shut down two stores affiliated with the Trump Organization and Trump's campaign. The PGA of America's board of directors has voted to pull next year's PGA Championship from Trump's golf course in New Jersey.

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/11/955709181...itical-spending

ON A SIDE NOTE: Centrist "DEMS" are upset that they are losing donations too and crying it's not fair... Meanwhile progressive groups that want big donor money out of politics are skeptically happy about this. Many Republicans are decrying this... doesn't bode well for Trump supporting politicians.

Trump supporters have a hard time understanding law and order, peaceful protests and contract agreements and obligations restrictions for internet access.

American Airlines responds to video of pilot threatening to 'dump' passengers in Kansas

Carrier suggests some passengers were not complying with mask mandates on flight from Washington, DC

American Airlines has issued a statement defending the actions of a pilot who said he would "put this plane down in the middle of Kansas and dump people off" if they didn’t behave on a flight leaving from Washington D.C. on Friday.

One of the passengers on the flight, which left from Reagan National Airport for Phoenix Sky Harbor in Phoenix, Ariz., had shared video to social media over the weekend showing many of the travelers — several of whom appeared to be wearing red MAGA hats — chanting "USA, USA" during an overhead announcement.


Another video shared to Twitter captures the pilot’s remarks, in which he threatens to "dump" disruptive passengers in Kansas.

"This is the way it's gonna be. Um, it's a four-and-a-half-hour flight out to Phoenix. We'll put this plane down in the middle of Kansas and dump people off — I don't care," the pilot can be heard saying. "That’s… We will do that if that's what it takes. So behave, please."



The woman who uploaded the first video, conservative activist Mindy Robinson, had also suggested in her tweet that the "USA" chants were what prompted the pilot’s reaction, though American Airlines has since suggested that some of the passengers were refusing to comply with the airline’s current mask mandate.

"Prior to departure from Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA), the pilot onboard flight 1242 made an announcement emphasizing the importance of following crew member instructions and complying with mandatory face-covering policies," a representative for the carrier said in a statement obtained by Fox News.

Robinson herself had also hinted that the passengers chanting "USA" weren’t following "every single rule," which is exactly what is required of commercial airline passengers, per the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) and the private airline industry itself. Another Twitter user who responded to her video noted this, writing, "It's a private company. You follow their rules, or you don't get their service. That's how free markets work."


Friday’s incident is just one of many instances of airlines responding to disruptive passengers in the wake of rioting at the U.S. Capitol, during which a mob of Trump supporters breached the entrance and stormed the building. Last week, Alaska Airlines banned 14 passengers who refused to wear masks and harassed crew members aboard a flight from DC to Seattle. And on Thursday, American Airlines confirmed that it would no longer be serving alcohol on flights to and from the DC area "as a precautionary measure," just one day after Trump supporters on a flight from Texas to DC clashed with other passengers after landing at Dulles International Airport.

In response to the events of last week, Sara Nelson, the president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA (AFA-CWA), has since called for the ban of any persons who participated in the "violent and seditious actions at the Capitol," urging the U.S. government to "disqualify these individuals from the freedom of flight."

In response to AFA-CWA’s concerns, FAA Administrator Steve Dickson said on Saturday that the FAA will take "strong enforcement action" against disruptive passengers, "with penalties ranging from monetary fines to jail time."

The same day, the FAA tweeted that such offences could result in fines of up to $35,000.

"Federal law prohibits you from physically assaulting or threatening to physically assault the crew, and anyone else, on an aircraft. You could be subject to fines of up to $35K and imprisonment for such conduct," the FAA tweeted.

https://www.foxnews.com/travel/american-airlines-responds-pilot-passengers-kansas

MAGA hat wearing republicans are now being treated like terrorist suspects similar to post 9/11 Muslims and turban wearing people were... karma.

The MAGA hat will go down in history with symbols like the swastika, rebel flag, the hangman's noose, and Al Qaeda flags. The traitorous, villainous, treacherous, scum of the earth stigma that the MAGA hat now symbolizes will only be remembered for the insurrection and attempted coup of the US for the duration of history.

But 'Karen doesn't get it' and she is apparently looking to get on the no fly list with many others who are guilty of insurrection. I love these veiled threats that they so stupidly make thinking their privilege will protect them.

A true Patriot. Our very first cyber hero!

FWIW, Trump incited the incident on Jan 6 with his speech that day. He's been building up to this since before the election.

I believe with all my heart that Cruz, Hawley, Rudy, Wood and Powell and about 140 or so republican members of the house share equal responsibilities for Jan 6.

It's just my opinion, but they all need removed from office and punished as seditionists.

As for those that actually committed the crimes on Jan 6, Find, investigate, charge and convict....

Seems simple to me.

Yeah simple for those with common sense. But we are held hostage by those without it.

OMG! Guess what the Trumpians and Qs are saying online tonight!

nothing, and that's how it should be.

Building unity by silencing dissenting opinions to fight fascism.. good plan.

Be quiet and stop speaking!

Dissenting opinions is not the same thing as plotting an overthrow of our government. But then you know this.

Yelling fire in a crowed theater when there is no fire isn't dissenting opinion.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/14/22231749/parler-interactive-map-video-gps-capitol-attack

This might provide some context behind what Parler is/was and why it was removed from several platforms.

Here is the map:

https://thepatr10t.github.io/yall-Qaeda/

The creator of the map called it "Y'all Quaeda"....

I died. :-p

Social media (Twitter and Facebook specifically) have banned, deplatformed, and limited followers to tens of thousands of accounts, most of which have never planned a "coup" or encouraged a coup.. they have at times simply supported President Trump and speak about conservative issues.. but, since the media is all Trump 24 hours a day, most people wouldn't know that.

What Twitter and FB are doing is beyond scary.. and someday, maybe once it's too late, liberals will figure that out.

Specific examples would be helpful. Or was this something you 'heard' ?

You're all for it if it silences an opposing view. I think what DC was getting at was "what if it's YOUR view next year" that gets banned.

No. That's not accurate. But I doubt I'll get you to see my perspective.

We see your perspective just fine.

Tell me your perspective first, in your own words. We'll go from there.

If trump ran into a theater and yelled “FIRE” Only the trump supporters would panic.

Look in the mirror - pretty sure you thought it would have been fine for some of the rioters and looters in the summer to be shot and killed. You're the guy pedaling false "the election might have been stolen and I think there was a lot of illegal votes" conspiracy theories that have been flat out proven to be lies. Couching wild, whacky coo-coo hard right wing lies and conspiracy theories behind "it's possible" - "Might" - "maybe" - "we can't prove it yet" doesn't make the lie any more credible.

That's not even close to what DC said. And he gave no examples to provide evidence of what he said.

If I'm helping fan the flames of violence against my own government to support and incite violence, then I get what I deserve. If not and I get punished anyway, then that's a problem. I would love to see some evidence and details of what DC is talking about.

However, you didn't have to be at the Capital building that day. I mean Trump told his supporters he would walk there with him. He fanned the flames of violence, told them he would walk beside them and then abandoned them.

My best guess as to what happened is that his bone spurs flared up.

I do not mind the silence of Trump. He used the platform to set the daily agenda.

I am looking forward to politics being boring again.

I don't see things working out that way. You will have media outlets who profit on continuing the conspiracy theories that have led us to where we are now and an audience hungry to be fed those conspiracies. They need to hear them to explain why electing a cult of personality ended this way and find someone else to blame for it.

Trump isn't going away. Only away from The White House.

One thing I have found out though that gives me some comfort is this. While it does take a two thirds vote of the senate to convict Trump, it only takes a simple majority to bar him from ever holding office again.

Only if he is convicted first.

Maybe and maybe not. Conviction takes a two thirds majority. 67 votes. It only takes a simple majority, 51 votes to stop someone from ever holding office again. My contention is based on the fact that the Constitution is specific that you need a two thirds majority to convict a president of high crimes and misdemeanors but does not state that is the threshold needed to insure he never runs for office again.

I'm sure it will be debated, but the Constitution does not require a two thirds majority to prevent him for running for office again.

Here is a part of an article that points this out.

I believe you have to first convict and then prevent him from taking office again.

I don't think you can vote to prevent him from serving in office again, if he is not convicted -- which makes sense, because if you didn't find him guilty, how could you move to a punishment phase (similar to any court trial).