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Here is a thread to discuss the merits of bipartisanship.

It's obvious what you are doing. Take it to the smack shack, please.

This is the best spot for this. I normally can't take much of this guy's shtick, but I thought this was hilarious.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/kevinolea...5822778368-Doe4

During the trump administration the house had passed over 250 bipartisan bills that the GOP Mitch McConnell led senate was still sitting on in 2020. They did virtually nothing and they wanted 4 more years. Lol

Look who's here, Mr. Bipartisan himself!

This is also a thread to discuss what's for supper, as well as what we all did today. I'm going out to plow again.

We could also discuss executive orders and who has had the most.

Here is a thread that went no where, fast.

Thought this video fit well into this thread.
I am not attributing it to any poster in particular but I do see a lot of this on this board from a lot of us. Apply or ignore as you see fit.

The title is "How to argue with someone who won't listen" and is about cognitive dissonance

It would fit almost anywhere in this forum.
You could drop it in PF, as well.

Well that and a couple of dollars will get you a cup of coffee...

Try again, you are not acting in a bi partisan spirit.

Yeah...and this elevated to 420 sitting on Reid's desk!

Part of the problem is the determination of voting districts.

Let's say there is an even split in votes, and there are 20 seats available.

You structure your parties districts 60/40 to easily win the race.

The other parties districts are structure 20/80.

You get 14 of the 20 legislative seats.

That is why having legislatures draw boundaries is the worst possible thing.

Say whatever you want, but he's not wrong..He's telling the truth...

So, you think that bipartisanship means pointing out past faults of the other side? That will sure help foster an environment of trying to find common ground both sides can support.

So, please show me where I ever said that... You love putting words in peoples mouths don't you.

By the way, your response proved you know that it wasn't a lie...

I just think it's funny that people like you who support the left side of every argument/issue/politician that comes down the pike are calling out someone for lack of bipartisanship.

Here's a little bipartisan topic:

Romney child-payment proposal would spend more than Biden plan — but also aims to cut welfare programs

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/02/04/romney-u...-per-child.html

So Romney proposed to send money to everyone raising kids every month up to 3000 per kid per year, up to 15K max for multiple children... just read about it because I'm not 100% on all the details. On the surface this sounds progressive but it also cuts welfare which is a Super GOPer goal... I'd like to know how y'all feel about this one because it sounds like a reasonable idea at first glance.

More opinions:

Romney's plan for monthly child cash payments elicits strong reactions in Utah

https://kutv.com/news/local/romneys-plan...actions-in-utah

"because it sounds like a reasonable idea at first glance" ?

Maybe to thinking along the lines of democrat thinking, I think.
To stimulate the economy, it should be 300,000 dollars per year per kid, and 1.5 million dollars max,-
-wait-

30 million dollars per year per kid, and 150 million dollars max, to stimulate the economy, because consumership is 70% of the US economy, and people who aren't raising kids are decrepit?

It's expensive to raise a kid in the united states, if we gave every kid, 300 million dollars per year per kid, and 1.5 billion dollars max, then we could hear stories how so many people crossing the southern border of the US, would have trouble if the child was born "in" the US but the parents weren't would the "parent" be eligible for the 300 million dollars per year per kid, 1.5 billion dollars max,
and a 2.19 million dollar weekly check, after taxes, (guestimated), per child
My question is, how much of that would be returned to other countries where theses parents came from?

And my answer is, it doesn't matter because in that case
nearly 3.57 million dollar weekly check to Uncle Sam in the taxes received, per child, per year being 930 million dollars tax winfall for uncle Sam, who cares if foreign countries benefit, because the Mega-o-lith of Washington D.C. benefits greater.

(It starts to become real clear the motivation.)

That's Stupid, because by your line of thinking, the average family of 5, could buy the Cleveland Browns football team off of the Haslems', by the end of next year.
(Oh well, I guess 1 percent spending in that direction makes sense then)

Wait, does that mean, if we follow Romney's actual numbers, then the average 100 familys, of 5, could pool their incomes together and purchase the Cleveland Browns from the Haslems' by the end of next year?

I'm confused.

We totally understand that.

How is anyone supposed to respond to that utter rubbish? You took a topic proposed by a republican and made it all about a dem conspiracy to let poor people buy the browns? Millions per child? You're response is asinine. I think the cheese has left your cracker completely Throw, and I hope somebody helps you.

To coin a very British phrase - you do talk some utter bollocks. smh

No. It show the asininity of the whole concept to see what would happen if you didn't give every child 3000 dollars a year,
but 3 million dollars, or 30 million dollars.

Most people understand.

Most people understand the difference and that the two in now way are comparable. If that's what you mean.

Not enough info in those to make a decision.

They want to decrease welfare, by increasing welfare?

It specifies the increase amount per child, but it lists no decreases in other welfare.

Also, it would go to single filers making up to $200,000a year, and joint filers making up to $400,000 per year?

Is this bipartisan?

Utah school allowing parents to opt students out of Black History Month curriculum

A Utah charter school that incorporates Black History Month into its lesson plans is now facing backlash from some after the school announced it was allowing parents to opt students out of the curriculum.

Maria Montessori Academy Director Micah Hirokawa announced the decision in a Friday post on the school’s private Facebook page, according to local news outlet the Standard-Examiner.

Hirokawa wrote that he “reluctantly” sent a letter to families stating that administrators were allowing them “to exercise their civil rights to not participate in Black History Month at the school.”

Hirokawa said in the post that “a few families” had asked not to participate in the curriculum, though he declined to tell the Standard-Examiner the exact number of parents who had contacted the school or the reasons they gave for making the request.

The public charter school director added that the demand from parents “deeply saddens and disappoints me.”

“We should not shield our children from the history of our Nation, the mistreatment of its African American citizens, and the bravery of civil rights leaders, but should educate them about it,” Hirokawa said.

Hirokawa told the Utah news outlet that the school, which serves elementary and middle school students, incorporates Black History Month into social studies and history lessons, with a particular effort this year to highlight the achievements of African American figures in U.S. history.

Hirokawa, who is of Asian descent and noted that his great-grandparents were sent to a Japanese internment camp, told the outlet that he believes there is “a lot of value in teaching our children about the mistreatment, challenges, and obstacles that people of color in our Nation have had to endure and what we can do today to ensure that such wrongs don’t continue.”

One parent at the school, Rebecca Bennett, reportedly wrote in a comment on Hirokawa’s Facebook post that she was “appalled to see the form sent out that allows parents to opt their kids out of this and to hear that this is all because some parents have requested it.”

“I echo others who are disappointed to hear this was even ever made an issue in the first place by some families in our school’s community,” she added.

The school’s board of directors declined to give the Standard-Examiner additional information on the decision.

The Hill has reached out to the charter school for comment.

According to the Utah State Board of Education, only three of the 322 students at the academy are Black, with white students making up roughly 70 percent of the school’s population.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...k-history-month

It cuts cash welfare assistance and the earned income child tax credit to be revenue neutral according to Romney. And the payments could be monthly or annual lump sum allowing for major needs. It would also cut some of the bureaucracy involved with processing welfare and EICs.

Guess we are going to need two school systems now if we want dem kids getting proper educations. No religion, no racism, no fascism, no right wing farce-isms at all... just STEM, the Arts, trades, and PE.

Then right wingers can teach all the voodoo book burning cult rituals that they want to their kids.

So, decrease welfare by increasing different welfare. Got it.

Why don't you say that about companies who get huge tax breaks? A lot of us call that corporate welfare. I guess it's only called welfare depending on who it is that's getting it.

A Utah school offered parents a chance to opt children out of Black History Month instruction. Then the NAACP called.

A charter school in Utah has reversed course after backlash over a policy that would have allowed parents to opt their children out of Black History Month instruction.

Maria Montessori Academy Director Micah Hirokawa posted Friday to the North Ogden, Utah, school's Facebook page that he had sent out a letter that allowed families “to exercise their civil rights to not participate in Black History Month at the school,” the Standard-Examiner in Ogden first reported.

The letter included an opt-out form for parents to fill out after a “few families” asked not to participate, Hirokawa wrote. The school's Facebook page appears to have since been taken down.

Hirokawa confirmed in a statement posted to a Facebook group Sunday that the school had backtracked on its decision.

"We are grateful that families that initially had questions and concerns have willingly come to the table to resolve any differences and at this time no families are opting out of our planned activities and we have removed this option," he said. "In the future, we will handle all parental concerns on an individual basis."

Betty Sawyer, president of the Ogden branch of the NAACP, confirmed to USA TODAY that she contacted the school early Saturday about its decision. The Standard- Examiner reported that the school changed its mind later Saturday.

"Authentically teaching Black History as American History allows our youth to develop the social and emotional skills necessary to be inclusive of others and cultivates a society in which all individuals have equal rights without discrimination based on race," Sawyer said in a statement on Sunday night. "While this decision was recently reversed, we find its very consideration troubling."

She invited Maria Montessori Academy "to engage in dialogue" with the chapter and "revisit its commitment to diversity, equity and inclusion."

Parents and teachers also responded to the decision, arguing that giving parents the right to opt out enables racism.

“I was appalled to see the form sent out that allows parents to opt their kids out of this and to hear that this is all because some parents have requested it,” said one parent in a comment on the initial post, the Standard-Examiner reported. “I echo others who are disappointed to hear this was even ever made an issue in the first place by some families in our school’s community.”

Maria Montessori Academy, which serves elementary and middle school students, incorporates Black History Month into its regular social studies and history lessons throughout February, Hirokawa said. Data from the Utah State Board of Education shows the academy has 322 students – three are Black while about 70% are white.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/educ...acp/4429616001/

Says the poster who supports every GOP argument/issue/politician that comes down the pike, including trump and who just called me out in this thread for a lack of bipartisanship. Pffft trump supporters. They don’t want unity. They despise the thought of it. They use words like “unity” and “bipartisanship” as tools to try and control the power of those who now have control of power.

Sort of... The democrats who have repeated these numbers of "bipartisan" bills sitting on McConnell's desk have defined bipartisan as "at least one republican voted for it".. 197 against, 1 in favor.. doesn't really count as bipartisan, do you think?

more than half of those bills had less than 2.5% of republicans voting in favor.. so I wouldn't personally consider that bipartisan.

There is no real definition of what constitutes "bipartisan" level of support.. but I'm pretty sure 1 or 2 isn't it.

McConnell's still an arse and horrible at his job of leading the senate and maybe, he is incrementally worse than Pelosi, but not by much..

Do you know the last time the house allowed amendments to bills to be proposed on the house floor? I will give you a hint, Hue Jackson was not yet hired as HC of the Cleveland Browns...

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-55902070

Myanmar, Burma, (according to the artile it's still ok to call it Burma)

What's going on in Myanmar, the military is taking over the coup,

highlights, of the article, imo

1. It's a lot like what's going on in the USA, oh well whatever.

2. this one is big, in 2007, (around the time Mangini was coach) Monks rose up against the military.

IMO, the military must be a collosal bunch of meanies for a bunch of Monks , MONKS' to take time of from doing what ever Monks do,
usually off in a monestary minding their own business I think,

to make them so miserable as to rise up and say the military's gone too far, that was in 2007,

Ehh, an interesting read, not "entirely" un similar from whats going on in the USA I think,

I especially like the part where the lady of the people, is guilty of the insufferable crime of having imported walkie talkies, oh politics, oh political prisoners, oh you bad ole putty tat's.
(reference to tweety and Sylvester and all of that)

They've silenced the lady, (fun to pronounce her name), and here, They've kicked Trump off of twitter.

soo, oh, and the uhh, Military coup guy, (nice uniform), has called for unity,
reminds me how Biden has called for, well just to be everybody's lovable granpa unity guy.
Whatever.

Well, if these students are not taught this stuff, in this one particular time frame of this one particular class, then these students,
Who knows how far they'd have to go to ever hear the message,

Why it might take literally seconds before they'd run across it, in popular society.

Since this issue is one, close to the hearts of all Americans, I find it particulary disturbing that the final paragraph of the story

" according to the Utah state Board of Education, only 3 of the 322 students at the academy are -------, with ------- students making up roughly 70% of the schools population."

would signal out any of these students or the student population for the demographics of labels, AS IF, it should in any way make a difference in how that student should respond to learning.

( I wonder, if my local school system, with High schools named Africentric, would have such a backlash by so many "disappointed" if any student for opting out, or excersing their cival rights to not participate if someone decided they didn't want to learn about Andrew Jackson and the trail of tears, and would it matter if they were of Native American heritage, or should it)

Because, (what is the paragraph?) , " We should not shield our children from the history of our nation ..."

Dayum, son...now you're just lying. I've called Trump and his shenanigans out here numerous times, especially with his BS in handling the COVID pandemic. You must have missed it. I'm glad he's gone. I've criticized Kasich, Taft, Romney and other republicans. I've supported Marcy Kaptur and Ted Strickland.

Now let's here you name a dem or leftist issue you've been critical of, or name a republican you've supported here..... Like I said, you participating in a bipartisan discussion is hilarious.

I’ve criticized Sanders, Pelosi, Schumer and others including Biden here Perhaps you missed that. I’ve also praised GOP leaders like Senators McCain, & Cheney,. Also I’ve praised former Governor Kasich of his common sense approach and Mitt Romney for his stance on holding trump accountable.

I voted for Reagan, Bush Sr and Jr. I was a republican until the tea party gutted the GOP of decent human beings and handed us trump. I was a republican until conservatives stopped being conservative. Now what conservative means in America is greed, bulling, and hate towards minorities and the disadvantaged.

I didn’t move to the left the right moved further right. My opinions on politics in general haven’t changed.

And starting a bipartisan conversation usually doesn’t begin with a statement like “you participating in a bipartisan discussion is ridiculous” but whatever, keep doing you bro.

I enjoyed that post more than any other from you. Actually gave me a little perspective on your views.

A quick comment on Bipartisanship - from my perspective - it would be for posters who are interested in that to focus almost exclusively on COMMON ground. What we all seem to do so much of, regardless of how well rounded some posters can be, we focus on differences and inconsistencies.

Out of interest - what was your opinion on how Reagan and Bush Sr and Jr did in office after you voted for them?

It's almost a neurological pathway that has been reinforced during the current political era. There seems to be a natural inclination to focus on the divide and sling mud, rather than to focus on re-establishing the foundation and coming together.

That's not focused at any one poster or any one problem. It's just the psyche. I'm not immune to it either. I try to be conscious of when I'm succumbing to that dynamic, but it's something that has become so visceral.

You're late to the table. Education has always been an established guideline set by the state. It has never been an issue of your civil rights.

That's why when I went to school nobody taught me that the white man came to America, committed genocide against Native Americans and stole this country from them. Because the approved curriculum didn't allow educators to tell me the truth.

Wow. That could describe me. I stopped voting republican after W's first term. I just didn't dive headfirst into the other side's pool. I think they're all corrupt. I did think the tea party started out on the right foot but devolved into just another political power group that was taken over by the party.