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#184562 10/23/07 08:59 AM
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DRAFT WILL STAY ON SATURDAY

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that the NFL will reduce round one of the draft from 15 minutes per team to ten minutes, but that the move will not result in a shift (unfortunate typo narrowly averted) of round one to Friday night.

Per Mort, the draft will start a bit later on Saturday than noon in the East.

Mort also says that round two will drop from ten minutes to seven, and that all other rounds will entail only five minutes, as the practice has been.

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Whoopie...instead of 4 picks an hour, there will now be 6. I think 10 minutes is plenty of time to get it done, though. It will just put the heat on to work out deals earlier.


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Whoopie...instead of 4 picks an hour, there will now be 6. I think 10 minutes is plenty of time to get it done, though. It will just put the heat on to work out deals earlier.




I would like to see the draft in late February or early March because of the length of trying get the top draft picks signed up. JMHO

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I agree...15 minutes really sucked.


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If they really want to improve the draft, they could try something so strange and crazy that they have not been able to think of it before.

Try showing footage and talking about the guys being drafted. Yes I know I must be crazy, but in my twisted warped mind, I would rather get some info on guys drafted in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds than to listen to Mel Kiper talk about his hair, and any and all of the stooges covering the draft going over the first few picks in the draft over, and over, and over while five picks flash by at the bottom of the screen and those guys don't even get mentioned I end up sounding like mental patient yelling at my TV every year


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thank you!! about "time"....

15 mins is entirely to long to make a decision...

Now we don't have to wait as long to see our 2nd round pick drafted.. lol..

and also... looks like teams will have to have their draft boards even more on lock...


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I agree.With all the scouting and pre draft preperation 10 minutes is more than enough time.

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If they really want to change anything make a mandate on when picks HAVE TO SIGN...U have until such and such a date or you go back into the draft the next year...and the team that looses that pick gets it back the next year...

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I was probably the only guy rooting for the draft to move to friday (first round)

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Not bad idea, AD. I would also like to see the lottery system similiar in ways to the NBA draft. This would apply only to the top 10 picks though. It might eliminate some teams (heaven forbid) from trying to position themselves to get the top pick. Also, say a team like the Rams who are 0-7 lose their QB (Bulger) again and end up with say a 1-15 record when they have a high power rating, should they be allowed the #1 pick over a team who is 2-14 and plays a much softer schedule and has a way lower power?

This has always bothered me with the draft integrity of the worst team always picking ahead of stronger teams. All a strong team has to do is lose their starting QB and maybe a top OL or RB and their season could go right down the tubes. But, if they hadn't lost that QB their record could have be maybe 70% better.

In other words maybe the criteria s/b changed to using a "Power Rating System" from "Win vs Lost Record System". JMHO

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Try showing footage and talking about the guys being drafted. Yes I know I must be crazy, but in my twisted warped mind, I would rather get some info on guys drafted in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds than to listen to Mel Kiper talk about his hair, and any and all of the stooges covering the draft going over the first few picks in the draft over, and over, and over while five picks flash by at the bottom of the screen and those guys don't even get mentioned I end up sounding like mental patient yelling at my TV every year




Totally agreed. I'd probably actually sit and watch the entire 2nd day if they just reviewed the picks as they were happening. As it is now, the 2nd day is more like a background event because they'd rather talk about Peyton Manning or something equally redundent.

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Forget the lottery....bad idea.

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This has always bothered me with the draft integrity of the worst team always picking ahead of stronger teams.




yep....I guess it makes sense to let the SB champ draft 1st.



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The record speaks for itself in the draft and no strong team should get to go ahead of a weak one unless a trade of picks are made in the prior seasons..
I think the NBA was more guilty of teams tanking it than the NFL..
One impact player takes a NBA team from poor to good almost instantlty...

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Forget the lottery....bad idea.

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This has always bothered me with the draft integrity of the worst team always picking ahead of stronger teams.




yep....I guess it makes sense to let the SB champ draft 1st.






Peen, you do understand that I'm talking about the criteria of selection. Another factor in the power rating system that would be incorporated that isn't in the current system is divisional strength. A team in a very strong division that ended up with a record of 3-13 but with a high PR would be picking before a weaker PR in a weaker division with a higher win/lost record.

I don't understand comment re Patriots getting top pick if they were not included in lottery due to being one of or the top teams in the NFL ratings.

Also I would include a rule where the top ten weaker teams were not allowed to trade their lottery picks except with other member teams in the lottery process only. JMHI

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Whoopie...instead of 4 picks an hour, there will now be 6. I think 10 minutes is plenty of time to get it done, though. It will just put the heat on to work out deals earlier.




Whoopie? Tell that to BQ. This would have reduced his embarrasment by nearly 2 hours!

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Seems like a lot of rules and change for something that doesn't need to be changed...at least in the minds of most.

The only changes I wanted are to shorten the round limits...as it was, the first round was scheduled to last 8 hours....32 teams, 15 min each.

As it was it took 5-6 hours....doing this it is scheduled for 6 hours and will probably play out in 4- 4 1/2.

Record is the best power ranking. I don't want some power ranking telling me a team with a better record gets to pick in front of me.


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Seems like a lot of rules and change for something that doesn't need to be changed...at least in the minds of most.

The only changes I wanted are to shorten the round limits...as it was, the first round was scheduled to last 8 hours....32 teams, 15 min each.

As it was it took 5-6 hours....doing this it is scheduled for 6 hours and will probably play out in 4- 4 1/2.

Record is the best power ranking. I don't want some power ranking telling me a team with a better record gets to pick in front of me.




I've always been on the mindset of sometimes it's good to think "outside the box" and there can always be a need for a better system or idea. JMHO

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I've always been on the mindset of sometimes it's good to think "outside the box" and there can always be a need for a better system or idea. JMHO




it's good to think outside the box when there's a problem to be solved...i'm just not sure that your opinion that the current criteria is bad is shared by very many people...i.e. there's no problem to solve...

can you give some examples to prove your point?...what teams have been vastly misplaced under the current system?...i'm guessing the best you can come up with is a team that's top10 has an injury-riddled year, and ends up drafting 12 instead of 24...show me i'm wrong...


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If they really want to improve the draft, they could try something so strange and crazy that they have not been able to think of it before.

Try showing footage and talking about the guys being drafted. Yes I know I must be crazy, but in my twisted warped mind, I would rather get some info on guys drafted in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds than to listen to Mel Kiper talk about his hair, and any and all of the stooges covering the draft going over the first few picks in the draft over, and over, and over while five picks flash by at the bottom of the screen and those guys don't even get mentioned I end up sounding like mental patient yelling at my TV every year




I'm guessing this would be a nightmare to license and assemble but who wouldn't want to see more player footage instead of Click! Clack! every 5 minutes or Berman trying to be funny or sentimental?


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I've always been on the mindset of sometimes it's good to think "outside the box"




You have been here long enough to know I do that on a regular basis.


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it's good to think outside the box when there's a problem to be solved...i'm just not sure that your opinion that the current criteria is bad is shared by very many people...i.e. there's no problem to solve...





Obviously the NFL felt there was a problem with how long the draft takes.

So, they solved it.

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If they see that what prevents them from seeing all these picks holding out every year?
They need the slotting like the NBA does for first rounders.

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If they see that what prevents them from seeing all these picks holding out every year?
They need the slotting like the NBA does for first rounders.




Thank you, Attack....that was the other idea re NBA draft I could not remember. The slotting.

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The browns first pick still won't be until after midnight since we'll have the last pick in the second round.

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Whoopie...instead of 4 picks an hour, there will now be 6. I think 10 minutes is plenty of time to get it done, though. It will just put the heat on to work out deals earlier.




I would like to see the draft in late February or early March because of the length of trying get the top draft picks signed up. JMHO




Wouldn't change a damn thing Stab's...Not a thing...

The ONLY thing that would change players being in on time is an NBA type structure...


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I agree...15 minutes really sucked.



Even the talking heads were running out of filler for the 15 minute slots.....

10 is enough time and will only complicate making deals, it won't affect the actual picks at all...


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I don't have a problem with some sort of slotting......but that really has nothing to do with the draft....that has to do with the CBA.

Set money and bonuses, shorter initial contracts....say 4 years for a 1st rounder....3 for a 2nd rounder...2 for all others.....you get drafted at #11, you get this much....at #111, this much.


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10 is enough time and will only complicate making deals, it won't affect the actual picks at all...




I doubt it will even complicate that....teams have a pretty good idea well in advance if they are going to deal or not....I doubt 5 minutes makes or breaks many deals.

If it does...these guys don't put much thought into things.

It will only get them to the bottom line 5 minutes sooner.

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PHILADELPHIA (AP) — The NFL on Tuesday cut from 15 minutes to 10 the time between picks in the first round of its draft after a 2007 record round of 6 hours and 8 minutes.

It also moved the starting time of the draft from noon ET to 3 p.m. and limited the first day to two rounds instead of three.

"We believe this will make for a more streamlined and efficient draft," commissioner Roger Goodell said in a statement issued during the league owners meetings.

The change also applied to the second round, which will go from 10 minutes to seven between choices for next year's draft, which will be held April 26-27 at Radio City Music Hall in New York.

In recent years, teams have often used most of the 15 minutes in the first round, entertaining trade offers or making them.

The time between picks will stay at five minutes for the last five rounds, which will take place on Sunday. That session will start at 10 a.m. instead of 11. Both draft days will be televised by ESPN and the NFL Network.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2007-10-23-meetings_N.htm


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I kinda' liked the noon time start. Just in time to fire up the grill.
...little too early for the sleeping beauties on the left coast I'm sure.
The 10 minute thing is great.


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IF IT AIN'T BROKE DON'T FIX IT.


I mean the only problem I had with Tagliabue was he was always trying to put an unwanted team in Los Angeles.

The problem with Roger Goodell is re-newed with every time he does anything to meddle with a league that is not broken.

Go Away Goodell, nobody elected you and nobody would pay to watch you do anything.


The effects. Bad poorly prepared teams will have 12 hours + to re-assess before round 3 starts.
The Patriots have already gotten too many picks because FA compensation the last two years and this move is probably a way to disguise the un-level playing field the league wants to give to its farvoite teams.

Just screwing it up for selfish greedy reasons. Imagine a global NFL very boo-ful !


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