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I don't know what I would give, but it wouldn't be that much. As Super said, trade up for a pick. It wouldn't cost that much

What a joke. Stafford is a high mileage often injured QB now.

Hell Baker had a better 2020 than Stafford and is much younger!

Lions made the trade of the century!

Rams will regret this trade as with the others for years.

Stafford has the Rams GM and HC job in his hands right now not to mention the immediate future success of the franchise. A lot of pressure!

You also wouldn’t know if you’re QB is going to be good or not. Watson is 25 and a sure thing.

Well hey, at least they'll test your theory. Since they traded two first rounders for Goff, and now Goff and two first rounders for Stafford, basically they've traded four first rounders + for a 33 year-old QB -- we'll see how it works out!

It should read, don't want to live where people expect them to think the same as they do.

That’s not how this works.

If he was such a sure thing, maybe Houston should be in the Superbowl on Sunday.

I know that isn't a totally fair comment and I am not trying to demean your point. I just don't think a top QB is worth scrapping that much of a teams future infrastructure.

I will admit I tend to turn on players who willingly sign a contract, then a year or two later start demanding a trade or new contract.

We just see it differently. No big deal. It will play out.

I am just glad our team isn't one of the teams stuck in a position to consider giving up 3 or 4 first round picks.

As the Rams made the Super Bowl with Goff, wouldn't the only way this trade is a success would be for the Rams to win the Super Bowl? That is the only step up from where Goff got them.

They really gave up a lot for Stafford.

They'd eventually build back and then they'd be an absolute force, but with the Steelers currently in cap hell, adding that contract and then stripping them of a bunch of draft picks AND their best, young D players would absolutely cripple their team.

I just read where Ben wants to return. I doubt the Steelers swing that trade, Ben or not.

if the price was right, sure.

I'd give up a 4th rounder for the guy. Maybe a 4th and 5th.

As great as that sounds, I don't know if that actually solves our DE problem. We will still need to find (probably draft) a DE. Putting Watt there doesn't change that, it's just gravy.

Yeah, that's it.

Ngakoue (BAL) will be a free agent, as will Romeo Okwara (DET), Takkarist McKinley (DEN), Leonard Williams (NYG), Trey Hendrickson (NO), and Dawuane Smoot (JAC).

All are young and productive.
All of them produced Sacks, but also a ton of QB Hits in 2020.

I really liked Williams coming out of college, and would love to see Richardson and Williams together. There's a humor bonus too, Sheldon and Leonard. We could call them the Big Bang.

Nice list! I really like Okwara, and I know we were interested in Takk. Another name to look for is Ronald Blair. He played for Woods in SF, and was injured last year. He would come cheap, but I think would do well with a larger role.

I love Fried Okwara myself.

I'm more curious who may become available in trade (in addition to Watt). If we trade for a guy that kills their dead cap hit in future years when/if we chose to move on.

J/C

The one thing I don't see anyone mentioning is that McVay didn't draft Goff. Yes, the GM did, but McVay did not.

I heard several Browns fans say they believed Stefanski will want his own QB and we will move on from Baker in pretty much the same situation as McVay and the Rams.

Not saying we are or aren't moving on from Baker but interesting no one has commented about this being why the Rams are moving on from Goff.

While anything is possible, I don't think this is going to happen here. Baker has make measureable improvement in the first year of Stefanski's offense, and I expect next year will be comfortably ensconced in it. Plus, unlike Goff, Baker has the lockerroom. It doesn't appear Goff was a leader. Stefanski knows the value of leadership in his QB, and he has it in spades with Mayfield, who is also showing maturing.

One apparent big difference is the relationship. With the amount that Baker has improved his game under Stefanski, and especially if he continues the improvement, Baker will be more 'Stefanski's' than anyone else. Nobody else that has had an office in Berea has worked more with/on Baker than KS.

And did actually happen with Goff and McVay? Was it just Goff's poor performance this year? Hard to believe that's it... last time I saw stuff on Goff, they were in those cute little videos where they were laughing about the funny celebrities' names in their line calls ("Al Pacino!") while they were playing for a Superbowl. Then, the next minute McVay is calling out his QB in a very public fashion and then over-nighting him out of town. That's a pretty huge switch... especially when you're talking about the QB position that you just locked up w/ big money.

The Rams should be a cautionary tale for the Browns. They were in our position just a couple of years ago: Coach with a promising first year, turning around a QB that had been disappointing, and having a great first year together.

They also had an amazing running game with Todd Gurley. They had a dominant DL player in Aaron Donald, just like the Browns with MG. It's crazy how eerily similar we are to that team. If trends continue, we will be in the Superbowl next year!

What has happened? They looked like they were set-up to dominate for awhile.

They made a bunch of trades bringing in talent, especially on the defensive side of the ball, while giving up significant draft capital. They signed Goff to an extension, which kicked-in last year. They gave Gurley a new contract, but he got hurt, and they neglected the OL. Goff showed he couldn't carry the slack without a running game (even though they have a dominant defense this year).

Now, I believe Baker is much more talented than Goff. But there are many lessons we can learn from the Rams so we don't end up in the same spot:

1. Don't neglect the OL
2. Be wary of RB contracts (and I still think we should extend Chubb)
3. Don't trade draft picks; you need them to re-stock your team with cheap talent

Thankfully, it looks like Berry and KS are cognizant of this, and hopefully they won't let us fall into the same hole.

I think another year for BM to "prove" his upside. This is astute, all three interdependent IMO.

Looking back on games, BM and offense could have improved. Lots of road blocks and speed bumps this horrible season. The Big Three should be eager NOW.

It's all good until we play somebody.

There is a difference. Kevin Stefanski has resurrected Bakers career. He is the reason Baker played so well this year. Baker still has upside in Kevin's system. Unless Baker regresses, I don't believe that will happen, there's no reason he wouldn't want to keep Baker. JMO

Not to be mean, but didn't McVay do the same thing to Goff? Goff looked horrible his first year under Jeff Fisher. Then McVay came in, and he was lights out in 2017 and 2018. It's basically the same thing that happened here.

That's true but I think the Rams realized they can only go so far with Goff. I think Baker is a better QB than Goff and has more upside.

Things are similar. We won't know how much different until after next season. By 2019, it seemed that teams had figured out McVay's offense, hell, things were even trending down during their SB run.

I don't know that it's all Goff's shortcomings... no matter who you are, you have to tailor your offense to your QB's strengths. Much of the time, the marriage between Goff's talent and McVay's offense has seemed like "square peg, round hole". Goff has also made more mistakes and become more turnover prone along the way. This year you had a team in the lower third of the league offensively, and being carried by their defense.

The problems, imo, run deeper... The Rams have now extended both Gurley and Goff to astronomical contracts -- and neither will actually play a single down on those extensions. I believe in "staying ahead" of contracts, but those were both colossal mistakes.

We'll see how things work out in LA. This is McVay going all in on his offensive philosophies and just simply stating that Goff couldn't get it done. Personally, I think he is a bit of an egomaniac and plays it off by always seeming humble during PCs and in the media. You can look at all the coaching departures in LA and just assume that it's because they're being poached due to their success, I don't think it's the only thing at play.

Stefanski seems to be a very humble coach and less of a "my way or the highway" type guy. Baker has to do his part by continuing the trajectory. Truth be told though, if Baker is signed to an extension this off-season, two years ahead of his expiration date, the similarities become even more uncanny.

QB record is not a good indicator on the quality of a QB.

j/c

I think if people look hard enough they can find a similar example in almost every possible scenario. What often times happens is people search for a scenario to fit the situation. What they fail to mention is the scenario they find to match that situation is the exception, not the rule.

Sure we can draw comparisons to the Rams if we feel that's a normal situation. But it's not. Which makes the odds of us mirroring their situation slim to none.

I think it makes complete sense if you realize that McVay may be trying to deflect blame for his offense away from him. Much like a head coach will fire an offensive coordinator as the scapegoat to keep his job. He hired a new OC in 2020, but continues to call all of the plays and "tailor the offense to fit his players". It begins and ends with him, so the fact that it was a failure either indicts him or whomever he can deflect it onto. He can't blame the new OC he just hired last year, so the only remaining option is to blame the QB and to prove it he has to go get another one at all costs.

We'll see in 2021 whether it was McVay just needing a better QB, or if Goff was plenty good enough but McVay was just too obstinate to actually bend to what Goof does well.

I think McVay tried to incorporate Goff’s strengths into the off-season but he has just regressed to the point where his strengths were not very numerous.

I also think it is interesting that Les Snead is getting a free pass when he is the one who traded up for Goff and signed him to the giant extension.

Gurley was cut by the Rams before he even began his 4 yr / 60 million extension... They jumped the gun on a huge contract for a player with a history of knee injuries. I'm just pointing out that they have signed players to huge contracts early and often.

The trade is lopsided because it's almost like the NBA, teams are given extra incentive to take on a player's bad contract. Goff is just beginning his 4 year / 134 million contract.