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Listening to the process on radio.... The case Raskin is building is very well structured. He's very good and clearly has the easier argument to make.

"You can't ride with the Cops and root for the robbers" - that was good.

What they're showing is exactly what happened. Republicans were warned over and over again how dangerous Trump's words were and what it would lead to. Their response? "No it won't!". Then when you show them plainly that's what happened, they say, "No it didn't!" Then they try to make some outrageous claim that he can't be held accountable.

They have done nothing but enable a want to be dictator who purposefully set about an attempted overthrow of our election process to install an illegal government.

The presentation being shown by the democrats will live on throughout history a prime example of what happened here and none of their BS can hide that or cover it up.

The John Kelly quote is very powerful too.

Let's face it - when the march happened - the day happened - none of us were shocked at what happened because it was foreseeable. The stage had been set by Trump over the proceeding weeks. . . That's powerful too. If it was foreseeable, how was it not then being instigated by everything Trump had said up to that point?

If it was foreseeable then why wasn't there better security?

Ask the people in charge. Many people saw this coming and gave a warning. The problem comes when nobody takes things like this seriously until it's too late. Even then they pretend it's not the fault of the person who caused it.

If was forseeable and nobody did anything then seems some other people should be impeached also. Or it was not that forseeable other than to some conspiracy theorists.

Yeah, it was conspiracy theorists. That's why it actually happened.

Conspiracy theories are things that didn't happen, were made up or simply lies.

This happened.

You're welcome.

https://www.buzzworthy.com/15-conspiracies-that-turned-out-to-be-true/

Exactly. Thank you.

I feel certain that aspect will become relevant for the prosecutors. Maybe you don't remember that extra security was suggested and deliberately squashed. Maybe you don't know or remember that there was a HUGE delay in the National Guard being asked to help and approval being granted ... I'm sure your selective memory has NOTHING to do with your pre-determined verdict and partisan political view.

I don't have a selective memory, I just don't obsess that much about politics. It's fun to me to poke liberals because of your TDS. Trump is long gone and he still lives in your head. haha


This all seems overblown to me. When AOC exaggerates her "story" to manipulate people, I just roll my eyes. These people don't care about what actually happened, they are just scared crapless of Trump and don't want to deal with him in 2024.

When Congress starts caring about the business owners whose business is destroyed by BLM and Antifa riots, I'll start caring about their scary moment in Congress when some doofy guy with buffalo horns knocked on their door. This is just karma calling.

First, I thought we had a world wide company store.

(A company store is like in West Virginia, a group of empoloyees whole lives were isolated to the company mine or company of one corporate job, and the job would build the store and set the prices which kept the workers poor.)

(Found out I was really thinking about a company town, not just a store)

(Continuing to read I came across the concept of Paternalism.)

So, we have a World Wide Paternalism, in a World Wide Company Store of a Company Town, and often these whole towns would go deserted when the job ended, or the coal was no longer needed,

and at that point the people would be forced to go elsewhere, but the problem this time,

is when the World Wide economy colappses in this world wide company store of internet and electrostatic George jetsonism,

There will be not anywhere to go a few miles down the road, there will be mass starvation.

But, I'm telling you, (company store), it explains the actions of the left if you think the whole world is necessary to be told paternalism.

Only way anything the left ever makes sense, is to know, they don't care about people only the oligopoly of all things evil puppet big corporation or big money.
(and with a creepy crazy cult of worship the scientists on the side)

If Trump ran in 2024 he would get less votes than this election and lose again. You can think whatever you like but that's the truth of it.

I think you would be pretty disappointed with regards how much time most of anyone thinks about Trump. But when you come to a political forum and Trump is (was) POTUS and he was so incompetent and his Cult were so loud and so wrong ... yeah, you'll see a lot of posts about him.

We'll see most of the posts about Biden once the impeachment is over - I'll remember that any time a Trump supporter posts something about Biden it means that Biden is living in their heads according to your take.

You talked about Projecting the other day. I think this is maybe an example? This and when you suggested the Democrats wanted to give $3 million per child in child support or whatever insanity you posted ....

You don't have a point. You don't have an argument - so you project these totally random, crazy moronic scenarios that have no basis or relationship to Democratic goals, thoughts or ideal and to make them fit our hate filled narrative you have to project them ridiculous and extreme.

Do please take care and I hope someone is there as a support mechanism for you.

You'll see lots of posts about Trump because any time someone posts something negative about the current administration there will be a Trump whataboutism.

Possibly - and possibly it will be 100% justified. For example - we've had no talk of fiscal responsibility as Trump has done nothing to address national debt (other than make it worse with a tax giveaway that went 80% to his 1 percenter buddies) .... Whenever the Cult starts piping in about spending money and fiscsal responsibility ... it will be pertinent to say WHERE WERE YOU WHEN TRUMP WAS IN OFFICE?

And you can deflect that any way you want - but it will be valid.

Wrong. I was talking about Harri's ho tendencies and Perfect started whining about covid. Grasping some straws there.

If even you, would take a look around you'd see the democrats in conjunction with whatever evil they follow have taken control of even your own life and any kind of a Country the USA was 7 years ago, it is not anymore, and I doubt you'll escape the consequences that will effect us all.
But if you want to deflect what you don't want to admit it will only last for so long.

You are largely correct. There are right and wrong times to make these comparisons..

But what we will see is that no matter what dumb thing Biden might say/do, the immediate response will not be to address it as a dumb thing.. the reaction will be compare it to some dumb thing Trump did and prove that, while our side is dumb, they aren't as dumb as your side.. and that's how politics in general is in a race to bottom... the goal isn't to be good, it's to not be as bad as the others.

When Biden makes bad policy, ties to coerce foreign governments to nobble or investigate political enemies ... generally does anything generally against the good of the country or our allies ... I will be happy to criticize him. If he lies constantly and relentlessly - same thing.

If he mis-speaks or says dumb crap from time to time? I doubt I will pay it much attention - unless for example he suggests to inject bleach to fight a virus. Trump said dumb things every week. I didn't worry about those - except when they lead to repercussions.

We'll see. I'm not expecting great things. But while the bar was set ridiculously low by Trump - Biden is doing alright. He's letting people do their job. He doesn't need to be the center of attention or get credit for things real or imagined. He's stayed out of the impeachment. Hasn't added to the hate and division within the country. Small wins, but an improvement.

Anything to divert from the fact that trump incited a violent mob of insurrectionists and sent them to sack the capitol of the United States . Which they did, killing 5. We’ve seen this game before from trump supporters. Pffft ya’ll keep bowing to your guilty as charged fallen dictator.

They have these for dogs that have been neutered. They are called neuticles lmao

Why are you guys even engaging them on this? Trump is guilty, we all know it, the rest is political BS. Same way with Russiagate and Impeachment 1.0. This is their game. Dilute the facts, muddy the waters, scream unfair, scream bias, and all the while they know too. They know he is scum and they are good with that because they think he pwned the libs.

I don't care if the Senate convicts or not, they won't rewrite the history on this one. Trump is going to go through some things, I'd say a lot of things before this all goes away. I hope at some point he pays the price for everything he did to divide us and hurt us as a nation. I don't want him to pay for single thing he's not guilty of because there is plenty he is guilty of to go after him for.

The Senate has no authority to determine what is or isn't constitutional. The Judiciary is where that is decided. Trust me.

However, this seems to fall more under the prevue of Administrative Law. At least the basics of an impeachment. The fact the former President isn't sitting is troubling.

That said, there is obviously debate whether or not it is constitutional. How the courts might decide on that is anyone's guess. For now, my feeling is the courts want no part of this since it is largely a legislative procedural matter. The courts let the legislature hack it out, then instruct them on the legal standing of the issue.

If Mr. Trump is acquitted by the Senate, no harm, no foul is where the courts are at this point. If he is found guilty, you can bet it will end up in the Supreme Court. That is where the matter of constitutionality will be determined and any conviction will be upheld or overturned. This issue may ultimately have to be determined by the courts. These are unchartered waters that may need a ruling to set some guidance.

I come to this conclusion because at this point, there is no reasons for the court to intervene, because no rights are being infringed and no harm has been caused to this point. The media needs to clean up their act, as well as the Senate. The vote wasn't an affirmation of the process being constitutional, it was affirmation the Senate believes it is constitutional. There is big difference. Both bodies are leading citizens in to thinking otherwise.

JMO

There is precedent. That is what counts because the Constitution is unspecific. Period.

I am not even sure what precedent you are talking about, but it doesn't matter.

The Senate doesn't determine what is or isn't constitutional.

If so, we don't need courts.

They can set rules for their chamber, and they can pass laws, but has we have seen many times, laws passed by the legislature are struck down all the time. Now the rules once limited to people inside government are now stretching to private citizens. Or at least seem to be.

The Senate has no more authority to deem a law or action constitutional then does your local city counsel.

Understand, I am not advocating against the trial moving forward, but I can see the mob is starting to do what they do, so it's time to bow out.

Think what you want. Nobody knows more than you people.

It also passes the common sense test. Arguing to get out of an impeachment simply because our government moves at glacial speed is bottom-of-the-barrel WEAK.

Not to mention Moscow Mitch preventing the trial from taking place while he was in office...

This about sums it up... radical extremist racist Quackadoos...

Disagree with that.

There is a radical right side, but they are limited to the fringe and have no more affect in the world than antifa.

Can't say for the same for the radical left fringe which are currently imbedded in congress and need to be kicked out.

Well bless your heart, you got it all figured out. Those radical lefties fighting for fair pay, lower cost health care, equal rights, climate action, wealth equality, and a return to core values/normalcy are definitely the issue. They should definitely look to the great examples set by the right. Insurrection, killing people to get your way, being too stupid to realize you are going to jail, and just otherwise acting deplorable 24/7/365... AND they would get to say libtards a lot, like really a lot... seems to be a QOP favorite.

America just watched 8 hours of testimony and collaborating video that shows them directly attacking the seat of our government. An attack that has left 7 people dead, and over 100 officers injured. They certainly weren't "limited" on 1/6 when they got their marching orders from the Top at the Ellipse, and overran law enforcement. The certainly aren't "limited" as far as national security agencies are concerned. They've hit #1 status as the most imminent threat to this country for at least 6 years running. Evidently, your edition of Webster's has a different set of
definitions than my edition.



Of course, you couldn't. Others' mileage definitely varies. That scary, scary 'Squad' you hate so much wasn't bear-spraying Capitol Police, smashing police officers with fire hydrants, or using the American flag as a battering ram. At that moment, those awful 'radical leftists' were being escorted by security away from people with cudgels, chemical weapons, tactical gear and personal restraints.

Damn.
One of these things is not like the other.

There is such a thing as proportion.

You trying to make yourself feel better for being a radical left fringe member. That's ok. People will pat your head and continue on their way.

The kind of mind that creates that AND shares that is not something I wish to associate myself with... Just get your scarlet T on the way out and keep stepping.

Really? That's the best you have? ...like I said, bless your heart.

I agree that we all know you're a radical extremist. It's old news on the forum these days. You will have to come up with something better to get a better response.

The GOP has been like a big moldy fruit cake since the teabaggers and libertarians broke the party just over a decade ago. The muted racism behind that movement was mostly a reaction to the first black president. THese are the people that gave rise to Trump... it doesn't take a rocket scientist to do that math.

Now after the last 4-5 years of the GOP carrying all the banners of hate, the chickens have come home to roost. Those same forces that propelled Trump to the highest office in the land control the party. If you're not nuts enough to buy in to the demagoguery and cult of personality, then YOU are the enemy. Decent people, mostly RINOs, are leaving the party in the thousands; so there goes the crumb of the cake.

The greatest generation and boomers are aging out fast, so there goes the crust that kept the party formed, the chewy fruity bits that are unrecognizable, and a bit of the mold.

And Trump controls all the Qnuts, the stupid, the clueless, the impressionable, the Kool Aid drinkers, the faithful, and all of the GOP youth. And if elected GOPers at all levels of government don't do exactly what Master T wants, he'll take all of these people (majority of the base) and go start his own patriot game. So there goes the nuts, the odd mix of spices (all but 1), and all the sugar (youth energy).

All that's left, still thinking they should just run their mouths bemoaning the situation, projecting aggressively at the left, and thinking what they have to say is still somehow relevant... well that's just a pile of salt covered with mold dust. And in a very short time that is all that will be left of the GOP. Don't forget your scarlet T on the way out.

Your ignorance speaks volumes if you think Trump has any influence on anyone who is not a lefty. He was not a popular President, and he is out of office.

It's all the libtards who keep him alive and carry on his "legacy" with their stupid whining about him, you included.

Trump lives on in this stupid impeachment.
Trump lives on in head of every libtard out there.
You are permanently brain damaged.

Meanwhile the right just laughs and knows that 2022 is coming with some fresh GOP blood.