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Indians signed relief pitcher Blake Parker to help shore up the bullpen. Decent set-up guy for Karinchak or Claase, and could even fill-in some with save situations.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/indians-blake-parker-inks-deal-with-cleveland/

They also re-signed everybody's favorite whipping boy, reliever Bryan Shaw, but I think it was a minor league deal with a spring training invite.

Looks good on Paper , that's for sure .

j/c...

Not Indians related, but didn't want to start another thread.

All those big market teams taking over the league.

(Grimacing emoji)

I didn't want to say it.

Markets bigger than San Diego:

Baltimore
Pittsburgh
Cleveland
Miami
Tampa Bay

I’m personally done with this poorly run farm team that only seems to exist to make the rest of the league better with absolutely no desire to win. Wishing they would just sell the team. Or move it so I no longer want to root for them. What they don’t seem to realize is that they would make even more money if they just won. But instead all they seem to care about is developing players to ship off to other teams to win with.

The Padres might have an advantage in that Tijuana is close by and not included in those numbers.

At any rate, the ownership looks to be streamlining the business in order to sell.

I don't blame Dolan. He and his group have a business plan. They work under the plan.

We may not like it, but it is what it is. If and when he sells we have to hope the team stays in Cleveland. Nashville is hot and heavy for a MLB team. There is a large group of investors ready and willing to open the pocketbooks.

We have retired the Indians name as of next season. Odds are we will become the Nashville Stars. Some owner is going to cash in on the money the Music City is willing to spend.

The money is ready, the population is ready, the stadium plans on the Cumberland river are in place.

I guess that depends on how you define "market". In terms of metropolitan area population, San Diego is ranked 17th (3.4M) and Cleveland is 34th (2M). Of the cities/areas you listed:

Baltimore 2.8M (21st)
Pittsburgh 2.3M (27th)
Cleveland 2M (34th)
Miami 6.2M (7th)
Tampa Bay 3.2M (18th)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas

5 post season appearances in the last 8 years, so I'm not sure what you've been watching.

One of the owners, Matt Dolan, is an Ohio state senator, who reportedly is considering a run at the US Senate. Whether that happens is anybody's guess, but suffice to say, he has political ambitions. Being part of the ownership that sells to an out-of-town group intending to relocate the team would be political suicide. The Dolan family would face the same bleep-storm Modell faced in Northeast Ohio back in '95.

A bad contract is a bad contract no matter what market you are in.

Outside of Cleveland, would it actually be a poopstorm?

My point was if he has designs on the US Senate or Governor of Ohio, he can't afford to alienate his base - Northeast Ohio.

The storm the family takes isn't a real consideration. Business is business, and be honest, would you really care if you were them? I doubt the family is stuck living in Cleveland.

Now, the news about one thinking of a Senate run could work in our favor, but even that is questionable. How many voters wouldn't vote for the guy because of that? I don't know, maybe enough, maybe not.

The best we as fans can do is attend games. If a person lives inside of maybe 40 miles or so, there is no reason to not attend 4-5 games over the season. Heck, I live 600 miles away and usually make at least 1 game, if not 2 per year. Now that my wife retired, we may head up to Cleveland in the summer for the heck of it. As it was, that was for Browns games only. I would head up for Browns games without her, but wouldn't during the warm weather months.

As we get older, we are looking more and more to beat the heat. We have talked about finding a summer place up around Vermilion. If we do that, I would consider some sort of limited season ticket plan. I wouldn't go to 82 ballgames a year, but I could see us going to several games a month.

There has been talk about MLB expanding to 32 teams. Nashville may very well get a team without a franchise moving from another city.

I hope it works that way. One way or another the city is going to get one. Nashville and MLB are chomping at the bit to have a team located there. MLB is way underexposed in the south compared to the population of the area.

Competition for 2 expansion teams would be fierce between Charlotte, Nashville, Vegas, Portland, San Antonio, etc. There would still be plenty of areas for current owners to blackmail tax payers with.

Portland doesn't deserve a team....they'll just destroy/loot the stadium as it's being built and attack security.

The comparison to other cities doesn't equate for me, especially with the rise of the San Diego population with the ability to forecast future growth and exposure and the decades of decline for the Cleveland area that isn't increasing anytime soon #Sadface. Although if we are doing that, you need to include the metro area where SD is bigger. Your consumer is base is not just the city proper, obviously.

However, the metro stats don't equate to much either in a silo, again, at least to me. It's about demand for the sport (among many other local sports competing for consumer dollars), fan spending, vendor contracts, etc. San Diego has one team as of today, just lost the Chargers. It's similar to Cleveland in 1996 when we lost the Browns and the Indians were essentially THE team in town....and as a result they also spent more too relative to the time period. It probably had more to do with the wealth of Dick Jacobs as well.

Southern California is definitely its own beast when it comes to breaking down these arguments.

-The majority of people live in the outlying areas, and wouldn't be included in the metro area.
-Tons and tons of transplants... many temporarily living in the area (ex. lots of military in SD) that bring their previous fandom with them and wouldn't be attending many SD games.
-Proximity to other, more popular franchises... definitely Dodgers (and probably Angels) are more popular in SD than the Padres. I'm pretty confident saying that. Plus, as I said before, you have quite the erosion of support given many of your people are rooting for their various hometown teams.

My point in brining up the market sizes is just to show that it’s not just big market teams that can spend. The owner just has to be willing.

The financial ability of teams from city to city to spend is not known to us, and I'm tired of talking about it. All I really know is that 2020 was a disaster for many (most?) teams, and the team I follow has cut its payroll in half.

When looking at the Indians payroll during the Dick Jacobs years and compared to now, Dick Jacobs certainly spent more relative to other teams during that period.

However, when adjusted for inflation, the Dolans have outspent Dick Jacobs by quite a bit on a dollar for dollar comparison.

Dick Jacobs fell into a perfect storm. Brand new stadium, Browns moved and amazing young talent that was full of personalities.

The main issue is the current disparity in spending between the top clubs and the rest of the MLB. I'd imagine the real spending boom came when larger market teams started inking deals for broadcasting rights with regional sports networks, i.e., the YES Network, Spectrum SportsNet LA.

On a bright note, The Dolans did add $5 of loaded value to each of my tickets this season, so I have that going for me!

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/mlb/indians/salaries/2019/team/all/

The Tribe isn’t moving.

There has been ONE team that has moved in the last 50 years....and they were playing in Canada at the time.

So......half a beer?

Or a quarter of a beer at Dodger Stadium.

Half a beer or not, it is still a $5 value.

Plus, chances are very good the offer doesn't apply to alcohol sales. Legally, they probably can't.

JC


Market size isn't city population. It is based on TV/media market...the number of people who get their news as an example from watching a Cleveland TV station.



The link below lists all the TV markets in the country. You can look by state, then click the link for Cleveland as an example to see what the market includes. You can check out any market you want. Obviously, the more people living in that area means more advertising revenue for TV and radio stations, and the more money a sports teams can charge for local broadcast rights.

https://tbh.lerctr.org/~ekb/TVMarkets/

Yes, you can use it towards alcohol sales.

Cavs also have loaded values on tickets for season ticket holders and like the Indians, it is based on seat location and number of years as a STH.

Living in Southern California my whole life I know a lot of people who are from Mexico. Many from Tijuana. None of them are Padre fans. I have lived two hours from San Diego my whole life and I have never met one Padre fan. It’s all Dodger fans. All.

Looks like he should be back soon...

Cool, I do know there are states where you can't do that.

You clearly would have a better grasp than I, but I'd bet there are more than you think.

Reading that makes me wonder if it isn't the Padres who are considering relocating in the next few years. Viva Las Vegas, anyone?

Go Braves!