DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus The stunning political power of AOC

Well of course we are. How much do you miss being a boomer by again?

You're just being a sore loser now.

1 or 2 years, lol. But the thing is, I'm not.

Just say, "Thank you."

Trust me.

I'm sure if you did a little digging on this board (on account I don't post much) I have said it before that I think of all the folks in Washington I think her hearts in the right place. Politically I rarely see her point of view. I think politically she is more wrong than right but she fights the good fight. Same with Bernie Sanders. I think deep down he is who he is. Most of these other folks in Washington are POS's left, right and all points in between. Cruz, Schumer, McConnel, Pelosi=all garbage.

But here's the thing. She has everyone's attention. She knows how to use social media. She tweets, the right has fit, the left has an orgasm. She gets quoted by the mainstream and has her name dropped so often you'd think she's the only one on capital hill. The media pushes her like a drug. 435 members of congress to choose from and it seems they all run to the usual suspects AOC included.

But you all can say what you want. I'm reading the tea leaves and I think she's the future of the Democratic Party. That's either a good thing or the worst thing. Depends upon perspectives and boy do we got those!

So yeah, heart's in the right place, brain lags a bit behind at times, but if she can shake things up, all the power to her!

That's what I'm thinking too. Remember, when Justice Ginsberg died he put on a show in front of the camera with a cardboard sign with Ginsberg's dying words written on it and he was asking if we should honor her dying words and of course who was standing next to him? AOC.

And he's doing that a lot now I've noticed, with her.

Chuck Schumer is a tool and other four letter words. So I hope she does run against him.

If she bends him to her will over the next two years, she won't. If he moves right one iota she will. Simple as that. I think she has her eye on 2024 or 2028. She's just deciding if she needs a stint in the Senate on her resume first.

IMO her goal is for higher office now and she’s not going to wait and see what others do.

And that right there is why she'll never be a Dem Pres nominee. She'd get Bernie'd straight out the gate. Part of her shtick is incumbent Dems out for Progressives... you think the DNC won't keep a grudge over that?

Sure, as long as they have that power. This will just get laughed at in here but if you haven't noticed, progressive numbers across the country are on a steep rise.

Jesus wept.

If you look at AOC and the Dems - she's sort of like the Republican version of Trump. Forget the actual policies and personalities - just look at the support they garner and where the support comes from.

They are both 'extreme' or hard left/right - they garner some of the most passionate and vocal supporters of the 'party' .... but their 'base' is a relatively small % of the whole party. As we saw vs Hilary - the GOP would vote for anyone including Satan rather than allow Hilary to be POTUS. They'd probably feel exactly the same way about AOC. Dems would probably vote for anyone other than Trump. But if either party put up a Centrist against AOC / Trump ... I think the Centrist wins easily.

Trump / AOC are the fringes. They get loud vocal and passionate support ... that does not mean they garner overwhelming support from the party they allegedly represent. Just my take.

That may be, but shifts like what you're talking about don't happen very quickly... or anywhere near quick enough for an AOC run within the next 2 or 3 elections.

More to the point, though... in spite of her political views, she'd actually give me a long pause about who I vote for (especially considering the duds the Republicans (and even many 3rd parties) have been pushing out there lately).

Can't debate the truth so you resort to emoji's?

not sure that is true, but what is true is that she raised money to help texas while Fled Cruz split to Cancun..

I'll give you that under normal (old) circumstances, but people are pissed in this country and looking for a people first government for a change, so we will see. I think it's more plausible than you think, MAYBE less than I think.

Just like 888s comment, the "extremes" seem to have the most popular policies right now. Bernie's platform on the left along with AOC's GND are driving the left... Biden will attempt to derail that support, but he's not denying it.

And the GOPers can't get past Trump because his followers want what he wanted. I hate his platform, but his supporters are rabbid for it.

Name a centrist platform that enjoys this support... the country might have more moderate voters, but even moderates like many of these ideas much more than the status quo of the last 40 years.

Biden. 84 Million Votes.

You and pit act like progressives didn't support Biden. MANY supported Biden to get rid of Trump, not because they like anything about Biden's platform. But I can see you are incapable of seeing this.

The only thing the centrist moderate left did was get Biden the nomination over Bernie with the overwhelming help of MSM, a cheating DNC, and Corps. That's real popular. Try winning with that again.

'The Game' for politicians is gathering and keeping as many votes as possible... so the fact that DNC Dems really couldn't care less about keeping Progressives happy says a lot, IMO.

Louder doesn't always equal more popular/larger group of people. Many times (especially in politics) it just means you have people that have really big mouths.

Well I guess we'll have to agree to disagree and look at it after the next POTUS election.

I'll add this.

2016 was really eye-opening for me. Watching the fervor for Bernie get pushed aside like it was nothing for Hillary was incredible and revealed a lot about the DNC. My two (boiled down) takeaways are the following...

1. Loudest support doesn't always mean most support
2. The nomination truly comes before the vote... meaning the DNC keeps tight control of their party, and you better be in good with them.

I couldn't believe how he got railroaded. I disagree with the guy a lot, but good grief, talk about garbage.

The DNC is definitely much less primed for a hostile takeover than the RNC was in 2016.

Here is an example of where Joe is at and how his platform is doing a month in...

Americans satisfaction with US more than doubles since January: poll

Americans’ satisfaction with the U.S. has more than doubled since January, according to a Gallup poll released Friday.

Gallup found that 27 percent of U.S. adults are satisfied with the way things are going in the U.S., up from just 11 percent that said the same in January.

Satisfaction with the U.S. fell late last year as the coronavirus pandemic raged and former President Trump sought to dispute President Biden’s victory, Gallup noted.

The poll also found that Democrats are driving national satisfaction. Forty-five percent of respondents that identified as Democrats said they are satisfied, up 40 points from January. This survey is the first since Democrats took control of the White House and both chambers of Congress

By comparison, 27 percent of independents said they were happy with the U.S., compared to 14 percent last month. However, only six percent of Republicans are satisfied now, compared to 14 percent in January.

The poll also found that the coronavirus pandemic has passed government leadership as the most important issue facing the country.

Twenty-six percent of Americans say that the coronavirus pandemic is the most important problem facing the country, while 19 percent said the government and poor leadership is the most pressing issue.

Gallup surveyed 1,021 adults aged 18 and older between Feb. 3-18. The poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points.

https://thehill.com/homenews/news/540659...ce-january-poll

Although it's a significant increase over Trump, it's still only 27%. I imagine it will top out at 35-40% and stay there for the duration of his term... I can say this because I don't think Joe Biden himself or his leadership really inspires anybody. I just hope it doesn't drop to Trump levels thereby opening the door for another Trump term or worse.

You are deliberately missing the point.

If AOC / Bernie ran in the last election ... do they get 84 million votes? No. Do they win the election ... maybe - maybe not.

Claiming you have the most support is in correct. The most support is for a Centrist. The rate of change to progressive policies is NOT as fast as you believe. No where near.

We disagree on that. IF (<- big if), Bernie had been the nominee, I think it would have been the same or greater win IMHO. He's very popular, and like the choice progressives were given, Bernie or Trump, I think most of the center would have held their nose and voted Bernie. But it's all moot now anyway and there will never be an answer to the question of "what if?" after the fact.

So, just because you believe that, it in no way makes it true. That's just years of anti socialist rhetoric giving you that bias confirmation. And that rhetoric came from centrist just like you and the alt right. Bernie is more popular than Biden and will most likely always be more popular.

There is a VAST - ENORMOUS difference between popularity and electability. Clearly something you fail to acknowledge or grasp. Carry on.

You and Pit with your fail to grasp... I don't give a rat's ass if you think it's 'vast' and I don't fail to grasp anything. You carry on.

This is just the centrist way of silencing the left... it's a pattern that shows up all over the web, not just in DT. It's been pointed out and talked about in depth by progressives. We see it as a tactic, you see it as gospel. That's why I scoff at y'all so much when you spew garbage like this.

I wouldn't go as far as to argue that point, but I do think that argument is a tool that they used to get Hillary and probably even Biden into the nomination. I'm more than willing to put that argument to the test.

And you pretend you wouldn't need every moderate vote you could get your hands on to elect someone like AOC. It's a two way street. And attacking and pizzing off everyone in your path in the meanwhile is not going to bode well for your kind when the time comes.

What a crock you offered up. Biden's approval rating is over 20% better than what Trump's were. I understand why that's something you wouldn't show people.

Is that what you took away? lmao... 27% is not something to gloat about. And now he's breaking his word on the amount of stimulus, $15 minimum wage, and he bombed syria... Biden is just a centrist dem tool for the donor class... same ole same ole with a new old white face. lmao, he didn't even tell his VP he was bombing syria.

I voted for him because Trump, told you I didn't like him much then and that still applies. BUT I'm giving him every opportunity to live up to his words and to be a president of the people... He actually said he the most progressive president since FDR. We'll see, but he's not off to a good start and losing support fast on the left.

Still you keep reaching. What do you propose a president does when a force attacks American troops? Sit by and do nothing? Or did you even know that there had been bombings on American troops in Iraq lately? If you wish to elect a coward who permits the bombing of our troops while doing nothing, by all means help elect one.

And minimum wage? Who said anyone had given up on minimum wage? Can you explain to me what minimum wage has to do with a Covid stimulus package? I'll help you out with that. Nothing. It's a separate issue.

You've already stated on no uncertain terms you would never vote for a centrist candidate again. You would rather help someone like Trump win by withholding your vote. So don't expect anyone to try and "persuade" to into having any common sense.

shut up.

You know that isn't going to happen.

Communism is the word you were looking for.

It’s good that you’ve found a new candidate to have your political fantasies about, the Bernie era was getting stale. You’ll be wrong, once again, but at least it’s with a fresh face.

At least she didn't cut and run like Cruz

According to you every nation in Europe is communist. They're not. And you know it.

Show me where I have said that.

Right there. Progressives in America are fighting for the exact same programs they have in Europe. You can't have it both ways. You can't claim that trying to enact the same programs they have in Europe is communism without claiming that Europe isn't communist. Denying such means your math isn't adding up.