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Much like I had noted in the impeachment thread; the ex presidents second impeachment case ran its course and he was acquitted.
And it looks like trump will use the CPAC speech on this Sunday to walk right up to the line of announcing a '24 presidential run.

His speech will be a show of force and he will state that he is the presumptive republican nominee for the next presidential election.

And from the polling that there is-there is nobody right now on the right that would beat him-not even close. Whether this is an actual run, another ploy to siphon off more money from his base, or an excuse when the Southern District drops the big one on him that they are playing politics-trump is going to step right up to the line of announcing another run.




https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/feb/22/trump-cpac-republican-presumptive-2024-nominee

Trump to tell CPAC he is Republican 'presumptive 2024 nominee' – report
Unnamed source tells news site Axios Trump’s speech to the rightwing event will have the message ‘I’m still in charge’


@MartinPengelly
Mon 22 Feb 2021 10.18 EST

Donald Trump will reportedly tell the Conservative Political Action Conference in Florida this week he is Republicans’ “presumptive 2024 nominee” for president.

Trump will address CPAC on Sunday, his subject the future of the party he took over in the 2016 primary then led from the White House through four tumultuous years. On Monday, citing anonymous sources, the news site Axios reported his plan to assume the mantle of challenger to Joe Biden – or another Democrat, should the 78-year-old president decide not to run for a second term.

An unnamed “longtime adviser” was quoted as saying Trump’s speech to the rightwing event will be a “show of force” with the message: “I may not have Twitter or the Oval Office, but I’m still in charge.”

A named source, close adviser Jason Miller, said: “Trump effectively is the Republican party. The only chasm is between Beltway insiders and grass-roots Republicans around the country. When you attack President Trump, you’re attacking the Republican grass roots.”

Thousands have left the party since the Capitol riot of 6 January, which Trump incited in his attempt to overturn an election defeat he has not conceded, and in which five people including a police officer died. Trump lost his Twitter account, his favoured means of communication throughout his time in office, and access to other social media over his lies and inflammatory behaviour before, during and after the attack on Congress.


Polling of Republicans who have not left the party, however, shows the former president with a clear lead over a range of potential 2024 candidates, supportive of him or not, in a notional primary.

Ten members of the House voted to impeach Trump a second time over the Capitol attack and seven senators voted with Democrats to convict. That was short by 10 votes of the majority needed but it made it the most bipartisan impeachment ever.

The Senate Republican leader, Mitch McConnell, voted to acquit but then turned on Trump, branding him responsible for events at the Capitol. But House leaders have not followed suit, as they deal with vocal extremists in their caucus and the loyal party base.

As Trump lashed out at McConnell, calling him “a dour, sullen and unsmiling political hack”, so Republicans in the House and Senate who turned against Trump have been censured by state parties and reported vitriol aimed their way from the grassroots – and even family members.

Trump’s grip on his party is clear. New polling from Suffolk University and USA Today showed 46% of Trump voters would follow him if he formed his own party while 42% said his impeachment had strengthened their support. The same poll said 58% of Trump voters subscribed to an outright conspiracy theory: that the Capitol riot was “mostly a [leftwing] antifa-inspired attack that only involved a few Trump supporters”.

In reality, many of more than 250 individuals charged over the attack have been found to have links to far-right groups.

On Sunday a key member of House leadership, Steve Scalise, repeatedly refused to say Trump lost the election or bore responsibility for the Capitol breach.

The former Republican strategist Stuart Stevens said Scalise was “saying that America isn’t a democracy. That’s become the new standard of the Republican party. Not since 1860s has a large part of the country refused to accept election. The Republican party is an anti-democratic force.”

Scalise also told ABC News he had visited Trump at Mar-a-Lago, his Florida resort.

“I noticed he was a lot more relaxed than in his four years in the White House,” he said. “He still cares a lot about this country and the direction of our country. But, you know, it was a conversation more about how he’s doing now and what he’s … planning on doing and how his family is doing.”



Axios cited an unnamed source as saying some potential 2024 contenders have sought Trump’s endorsement. It also noted that the former president, who would be 78 on election day and faces considerable legal threats now he has left office, may be planning to string the party along but ultimately not to run.

Funds raised around Trump’s lie about his clear election defeat by Joe Biden being the result of fraud may be ploughed into funding primaries against those who have crossed him.

Either way, CPAC has obligingly moved close by, from its usual venue in Maryland. Party moderates and figures who have criticised Trump, among them the Maryland governor, Larry Hogan, and the former South Carolina governor and United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley, have not been invited to speak. Mike Pence, the vice-president whose life was placed in danger during the Capitol attack, reportedly turned down an invitation.

Crowds at the conservative event were initially suspicious of Trump when he emerged on the national Republican scene, but came to embrace his flag-hugging displays with evangelical fervour.

Axios’s source reportedly said: “Much like 2016, we’re taking on Washington again.”

He Could be more effective as Senator!

No?

Cracks me up. The theme is "Uncancelled America" because cancel culture is their new boogeyman... And THEN... two days ago they removed a bigoted speaker for previous things he has said/posted online... HYPOCRITES!

You just can't make this crap up.

He's going to have a difficult time running for office from a prison cell.

Cyrus Vance and Letitia James have plans for him.

what's sad is that we all know he's gonna continue his election fraud claims. it's beyond sad how many people worship this dude. this must have been what the reagan years were like without social media.

the supreme court, the GOP, and republican governors will be on his hit list. watch him spend more time trashing his allies than the democrats or liberal media.

and worse, watch all the people he trashes still lick his boots afterwards.

Supposedly, in between golf and burgers, he has been working on a list of state republican leaders that he wants to get rid of and starting to work on the mid term election.

Fox has seen a rough draft of the speech and they did not note that trump will rehash the election, but he will.

They did say that he will go after Biden on immigration and China

The question isn't can he con them one more time. The question is, how many more times can he con them?

Even if he ran, there is no way they nominate him even if he got 100% of the primary votes.

Bro you know that’s false. Republicans are straight up scared of him and his cult followers. They would nominate him just to make sure what happened on Jan 6th doesn’t happen to them.

If that is true, then this country is in for a very dim future when our representatives are making decisions out of fear. God help us all.

That may end up being the truth

I think it's partially that they feel they are powerless without him combined with the fact they have no other potential nominee that could supplant him.

They want/need his base. Viking-Horns-Guy (losing his vote) is what they're REALLY afraid of.

This.

A tweet or two from Trump and his moronic base is in the chanting "hang Mike Pence" ... we have some that want to claim that what Trump says doesn't cause his "base" to react ... but then we have the words of the Trump of Cult themselves that take his tweets and suggestions and interpret them as 'Orders'.

Yeah, and it's a catch-22 that they can't seem to resolve. They lose a very vocal and powerful base if they lose Trump's base, but if they cling to Trump's base, then they lose the moderates that get them to a majority vote.

McConnell tried his best to tactically achieve it by delaying the impeachment trial until Trump was out of office, acquitting him for being out of office, but then excoriating him for his actions. Of course, then 45 blasts him all over the media, kicking off what will likely be his revenge tour. McConnell swung for the fences to try and keep the moderates and the Trump supporters behind the Republicans, but it's possible that now he lost a lot of both.

It's a real issue for the Republicans.

Possibly.

I see it more as a political attack. His records have passed IRS scrutiny. What does the IRS do when auditing a return?

You are taking Trump's word that he was under audit. In order to do that you would have to believe that his taxes from over 20 years ago until now are still under or were under audit. He has used the , "I'm under audit" as an excuse to refuse to release not only current tax documents, but tax documents from long ago.

I don't think you're actually naive enough to believe that. Or at least I would hope not.

We have no idea if he was or is under audit.

You are right in that I can only go by what has been said.

However, being as public and involved in multiple business actions, it would be very surprising if he hasn't been audited on a regular basis.

I think most big business' have a office or two set aside for the IRS, who are on site most of the year.

As was being bantered about on another thread, and as I am sure you know, the IRS isn't dedicating large numbers of auditors scouring over turbo-tax returns.

IRS audits more poor taxpayers because it's easier, cheaper than targeting the rich

https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/irs-audits-poor-taxpayers-easier

Why Are The Superrich Getting Audited Less?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rachelsandl...sh=4941d13357d7

Possibly but probably not just a political attack.
There are writers that have researched and wrote about 45 and they have already opened the pandoras box as to what investigators might be looking at. Just off the top of my head

-basically keeping two sets of books-one to show devalued properties for tax purposes and another to inflate the values for loan purposes
-pressuring appraisers to inflate values
-paying people that already work for him like his kids large consulting fees to limit his tax burden.
-moving money out of the inauguration fund into his personal funds
-moving money around from his election fund to pay off Stormy
-bank fraud
-wire fraud
-insurance fraud
-Ricoh statues

People tend to blame others for the crimes committed by certain individuals when they are "their criminals".

One can take that in different ways. I don't doubt that in pure numbers less wealthy people get audited more in pure numbers and as a percentage of the population. As was said in one of the articles, it doesn't take all that long to do one of those audits compared to a business. Super rich can be classified as a business for the purpose of our discussion.

Something the article didn't touch on is how often do people from each segment get audited? Most people never get audited. Most business' do, more than once.

Again, I am not saying he is under audit. What I am saying is there is a very good chance he has or has been.

So then the odds are that for many years he probably wasn't audited and we have no idea what his tax returns may include. And there's every chance that his claim that many years of his tax returns are "still under audit" is most likely a lie.

Even though he was supposedly being "audited" Trump could have released his taxes.

There was no way that he would ever release them, anyway.

The real information to get to Trump is in the supporting financial statements. If he inflated his wealth for loans, then deflated his wealth for tax avoidance, that will be found. That is bank fraud, and insurance fraud, and tax fraud.

Normally that is a fine and payment, very few go to jail. However Trump from all accounts may have been overly aggressive.

I think they will be trying to make a rico case against him. It might be easier to prove.

One of things that just doesn’t make any logical sense is that conservatives keep claiming that it’s not about loyalty to trump, but loyalty to his policies.

Well if that’s the case, there seems to be no shortage of republicans willing to be like trump, so why not just roll with one of them, if it’s about policies?

Why not? Because it’s always been a lie. Trump demands loyalty to HIM, and conservatives have placed him on such a pedestal that yea, it is about loyalty to HIM, not the policies.

Trump can push any policy that isn’t conservative, and yet they will support it simply because he commands it.

I’ve seen more devout loyalty to Trump from conservatives than loyalty toward Christianity. Why?

Because if they actually showed that same level to their religious practices, they wouldn’t be supporting trump in the first place. He is literally everything they claim to be opposed to, and yet guess who gets treated more like a God....

Beware of false idols and prophets.

Unless it’s the confederate flag and trump, of course.

One thing I never understood is why the audit prevented him from releasing his tax returns.

Plus... wasn't it proven that he wasn't actually under audit most of the time he said he was.

I don't think I've ever heard that.

Nostradamus may have a point...

McConnell would be fully behind trump if he is nominated in 24.
Repubs had the chance to rid themselves of trump and decided not to do it

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/25/politics/mitch-mcconnell-donald-trump-2024/index.html


My wife asked me last week about if I thought trump was going to run in '24 and I told her I thought that was the plan as soon and they let him off the hook again. I also said that he may be in jail or dead by then-normally these white collar crimes are only country club jails or large fines and penalties-he may/may not be different.
But I also told her that I think that what we saw on Jan 6 in some form will happen again-whether he loses the next election or SDNY files charges again-it may not be the capitol bldg.

And on drudge this morning the Capitol police are saying that there is chatter that they want to attack the building whenever Biden has the state of the union speech.

Yep, the same guy he said was responsible for insurrection a week ago... You can't make this crap up.

Anybody catching some highlights of the CPAC?

Morons cheering for that loser senator from Missouri like some sort of gladiator. Imagine cheering for a guy who tried to help overthrow an American election and somehow still considering yourself a patriot.

As far as I’m concerned, this née era of conservatism or whatever the hell they call themselves is just the confederacy 2.0

What a bunch of losers.

Are you sure he was audited? The IRS doesn't comment on such things. The only person that said he was being audited was Trump. Did he say that to avoid showing his taxes?

The IRS did comment that a person under audit can release his taxes to the press is he so desired. They have no control over that.. So that's as misleading as trump usually is.

Should I get you seat at CPAC next to the Golden Statue so you can kiss it's ring?

I agree, his personal returns aren't the issue, his business ventures will be. Even if they don't find anything illegal they will find, at the very least, he knows how to manipulate tax loopholes as does any other "billionaire"


But 2024 is still a long ways off. I don't see Biden running for a second term so he'll take the beating up to the midterms then begin handing the reigns over to Harris. If the GOP wants to regain the white house they have to figure out how to beat Harris not Biden. Trump, if he was to win the 24 nomination will seal the fate forever of the GOP into the dustbins of history if he has to go up against her. He will have to fight off, again and an even more jaded, moderate GOP who already turned on him, plus the Democrats, plus the media, plus his own stupid self, plus his record, plus the impeachments. . . .

How anyone can consider this buffoon a candidate is beyond any illogical thinking I could think up.

Harris is the key, and right now, IMO, the next president. But '24 is still a ways away.

I am confident they will find more than the "usual" loopholes being exploited. Loopholes are not illegal. I think 99% of people given the opportunity to legally abide by the law but use 'loopholes' to pay less tax would do so.

What we've seen with Trump as POTUS is that if he thinks he can get away with something, he pushes the boundaries, if he gets away with that he pushes more, and more. We've already seen one example of an asset on one loan* statement grossly inflated in value - and then grossly under valued for tax purposes. . . just me but I think that's probably just scratching the surface. . . . More interesting may be, if the scope of the investigation allows, seeing where his money came from. It's already been reported and indicated that Donny was basically broke until he started doing some shady things with the Russian Oligarchs - be interesting if this comes to light and if there is criminal behavior there.

What you are saying may be true. What you are saying may be all well and good...

... but an IRS audit and a deep-dive by a forensic accountant are two very different things, designed for very different purposes. Vance and James will not be relying on IRS line auditors in this effort.

What I will say is this, they better find something substantial or they'll end up looking like fools and idiots...

Micheal Cohen said that Trump did a lot of things that weren't completely legal. He said he knew he did because he's the guy that carried out Trumps orders.

He should be able to lead them right to the wrong doing.

But again, it better be good or they'll come off looking stupid

j/c:

Ummm......what?



Nixon pose at the end is perfect.