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Dave #1849059 02/19/21 03:32 PM
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We are not going to have a Lefty in the Starting rotation ??

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The last lefty starter I can remember us having is Ryan Merritt about 5 years ago.

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I thought I read the title as ,(in other news I'm going blind thumbsdown )

Indiana 2021.


thumbsup Hey!
What if, they change the name of the Cleveland MLB team to
Cleveland Indiana.
It's still acceptable, Right?

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Thats what I was eluding to.. Every year I look at the starting rotations from other organizations and I see at least one if not more Leftys ..

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I guess lefty's come and go in cycles. It would be nice to have one or two to "balance" the staff, but pitching hasn't really been a problem from a starting standpoint, so it doesn't really matter but sure, if you know of a young Tom Glavin floating around, sign him up.


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A bad contract is a bad contract no matter what market you are in.





Mets will still be paying Bobby Bonilla after Fernando Tatis Jr.'s 14-year deal ends
Chris Cwik

Thu, February 18, 2021, 8:44 AM

Fernando Tatis Jr.'s 14-year, $340 million contract with the San Diego Padres might be long, but it has nothing on Bobby Bonilla's deal with the New York Mets. This will make you feel even older — and make Bonilla's agent look way smarter — but Bonilla will actually still be getting paid by the Mets after Tatis' contract expires.

How is that possible? In 2000, the Mets decided to buy out Bonilla's $5.9 million contract. Instead of taking a lump sum, Bonilla's agent — Dennis Gilbert — negotiated a deal that would pay Bonilla over multiple years at an 8 percent interest rate. The end result of the deal means Bonilla is being paid $1.16 million by the Mets every July 1, which has unofficially been referred to as Bobby Bonilla Day by dedicated baseball fans.

Those payments started in 2011, and will run through 2035. Tatis' deal with the Padres will end in 2034.



It may feel extremely wrong, but it's true. Despite not playing in MLB since 2001, Bonilla will still be getting paid in 2035.

Deferred contracts have become more common in MLB
At the time of Bonilla's buyout, deferred payments were a rarity in MLB. While Bonilla's deal is seen as a massive win for him, more teams have added deferred payments to deals in recent years. On Thursday, the Oakland Athletics signed reliever Trevor Rosenthal to a one-year, $11 million deal that will include deferred payments. When Bryce Harper was a free agent, the Washington Nationals reportedly offered him a deal that would pay Harper until he was 60.

Why would teams willingly agree to pay players long after their careers end? By deferring money, teams can keep costs lower during a player's contract. On top of that, ownership can change, meaning the person who signs off on the deferred deal may never see it through. That's exactly what happened with Bonilla and the Mets. Fred Wilpon agreed to the Bonilla buyout, but Steve Cohen will be signing Bonilla's checks from 2021 to 2035.

While Bonilla will be paid longer, don't feel too bad for Tatis. He's still going to make $340 million, far more than Bonilla ever made even after you include all the deferred money he's owed.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/the-mets-wi...-164451048.html


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If I fine one , I will drop you a note ! lol

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Forgot about ... Logan Allen. Position: Pitcher Bats: Right • Throws: Left 6-3

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"he's going to make 340 million"

I'll probably never watch Baseball again.
If I ever do think about starting to watch more than 5 minutes a year again, I should probably just remember that dollar amount.

I stopped in 1997 and a half, heard the Angels won the series in 2003 and haven't looked back.
1. Really felt less stress, one less thing to ever worry about.
2. Never missed it, almost amazed how much I never missed it.
Glad that 340 million won't be any of my direct money, I know they have ways of taking my dollars for baseball whether I like it or not, but just like football and 2006, not directly.

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Wait until you find out how much Patrick Mahomes makes. . .

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Wait until you find out how much Patrick Mahomes makes. . .

I refrnced a bunch of Qb contracts 13 or more in the other thread last week, in an attempt to find a jumping off point, for what to expect they should offer Baker on a restructuring, so it's written right here,
477.631 million, 39.8 million per year, 45 in 2022
2020-10.825 million total cash, base salary of 825,000 and it's based on a percentage of the Salary cap, (notes from, Mahomes, current contract) int. search last week.

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Indians' Harold Ramirez: Claimed off waivers

Ramirez (hamstring) was claimed off waivers by Cleveland on Wednesday.

Ramirez was designated for assignment by the Marlins earlier in February, but he'll land a spot on Cleveland's 40-man roster for spring training. The 26-year-old missed most of the 2020 season due to a positive COVID-19 test and a left hamstring strain. It's not yet clear whether he's fully healthy to begin spring training, but he should compete for a role in the outfield with his new club heading into the regular season.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/baseball/news/indians-harold-ramirez-claimed-off-waivers/

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Where are we on the outfielder count? brownie


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Quote:
Where are we on the outfielder count?

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That number would be reduced by 98-99% if the question had been:

Where are we on the Major League outfielder count?

At this point it looks like the Indians are just throwing mudpies against the wall to see if any of them stick.

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Posted just for the sunny background.

I can't wait to retire and live in Arizona from Jan-Apr.


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I’m personally done with this poorly run farm team that only seems to exist to make the rest of the league better with absolutely no desire to win. Wishing they would just sell the team. Or move it so I no longer want to root for them. What they don’t seem to realize is that they would make even more money if they just won. But instead all they seem to care about is developing players to ship off to other teams to win with.


My father was an Indians fan all his life. He went to one of the World Series games against Tampa. He always said that the Indians were a farm team for the league, develop good players and trade them so they wouldn't have to pay them big bucks. Your saying that brought back some memories. Dad also said the Indians will be barn burners until the break then lose enough to keep them out of the playoff's. I miss that man.


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j/c...

Cue the jokes...


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That isn't totally accurate. That is the attendance figure for the first month of the season.

If the "joke" is the team might not have 30% anyway, that isn't funny, but it is a joke.

If you are a sports fan of any sort, it is your civic duty to make 3-4 games a year if you can turn on the television and pick up Cleveland local television.

Community needs to support community attractions. If not, they close or move elsewhere. Pretty simple.


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I mostly agree with you, but there's another side to that argument that you're glossing over. Long story short, Indians can be an except to the rule you put forward.

My wife is big into baseball and I think she's just about hit her limit with the Indians' policy of not paying their roster. It says more about the league than the team that this is allowed to continue, but I have a hard time knowingly giving any money to an org that is intentionally knee-capping itself and making it 10x harder to achieve their ultimate goal.


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So.... batting 7-9 in the lineup? tongue


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Hope the weight loss didn't cost him any power. I'd prefer Bradley to Jake Bauers, but I've heard/read some talk that Josh Naylor might be in the mix at 1B too.

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I hope Mercado can bounce back. That would have a ripple effect on so many thing with this lineup.


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I'm a Mercado fan, and I think he can return to 2019 form. Last season was a disappointment for more guys than just him - Lindor and Perez, for example.

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I mostly agree with you, but there's another side to that argument that you're glossing over. Long story short, Indians can be an except to the rule you put forward.

My wife is big into baseball and I think she's just about hit her limit with the Indians' policy of not paying their roster. It says more about the league than the team that this is allowed to continue, but I have a hard time knowingly giving any money to an org that is intentionally knee-capping itself and making it 10x harder to achieve their ultimate goal.

Are they really knee-capping?


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Averaged 92 wins per year since 2013. I don't think any other team has won as many games as the Indians in the last 8 years. Imagine if they hadn't knee-capped themselves ... rolleyes

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I can see our lineup looking like this:

I think Bobby Bradley will lock down 1B, and Yu Chang will be the SS.

1. Hernandez 2B
2. Ramirez 3B
3. Rosales RF/LF
4. Reyes DH
5. Naylor LF/RF
6. Bradley 1B
7. Chang SS or Andres Gimenez or Amed Rosario
8. Perez C
9. Mercado CF

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You know my love will Not Fade Away.........


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Locals can hear the game on WTAM 1100 AM today. It might also be on the Indians radio network affiliates, shown at the link below. Always nice to hear the sounds of summer in the middle of winter.

https://www.mlb.com/indians/fans/radio-affiliates

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Listening to the game today, they said Indians games will be streamed on iHeart. Today's game is on, if anyone is interested.

https://www.iheart.com/live/news-radio-wtam-1100-1749/

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Originally Posted By: Dave
Averaged 92 wins per year since 2013. I don't think any other team has won as many games as the Indians in the last 8 years. Imagine if they hadn't knee-capped themselves ... rolleyes


If the ultimate goal was to amass regular season wins, then I'd agree with you. It's not. Playoffs are a very different animal than beating up on the bottom-dwellers in your own division every year.


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It seems to me that you are moving the goalposts. Now, instead of being disenchanted with the team because of them fielding an inferior product, you are saying its because they haven't won a World Series?

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I don't think I was. I said ultimate goal in both my previous posts.

If you're totally fine with them building a team that'll do well enough to consistently make the playoffs, but be consistently outmatched against other playoff teams, then I just don't think we're going to come to any sort of agreement on the matter.


Are you really ok with the Lindor situation (knowing for years that there was no way in hell he was going to stick with the team when it came time for his 2nd contract)?


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I wouldn't say I'm happy with only making the post season, but I do know that the only way to win it all is to get to the post season. I wish we had owners who could afford to keep our stars, but if we don't have that, I'm at least glad we have a perennial contender. As far as Lindor goes, I'm probably in the minority, because I didn't see "great" - I saw "good". I wish he was still here, but I don't think he's anywhere near being worth $35M per year. Especially knowing how that would hamstring the organization from having any talent around him. You can't hate the good in the absence of the perfect, IMO.

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Fair enough.

And I mentioned Lindor specifically, but I really meant watching that process play out knowing the end result. Lindor (insert any number of young guys that make a name for themselves early on) was never going to sign a second contract with them because they weren't going to pay what it would take to keep him.


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Bobby Bradley with a tape measure bomb today vs KC.

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Originally Posted By: Dave
Bobby Bradley with a tape measure bomb today vs KC.




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Tom Hamilton said Bradley has a great scoop at 1B today as well.

This may be the year the Jake Bauers Experiment ends.

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I sure hope Bradley wins the 1B job and keeps it. He will struggle at times, I just hope Francona lets him play through it.

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Tom Hamilton said Bradley has a great scoop at 1B today as well.

This may be the year the Jake Bauers Experiment ends.
yeah I definitely like what I’ve seen from Bradley


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