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I'll bet her breath was pretty foul.

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Man fatally shoots New Orleans officer after he was denied entry for not wearing a mask

NEW ORLEANS (WGNO) — The New Orleans Police Department said an officer providing security at a high school basketball game was fatally shot by a man who was denied entry to the game because he was not wearing a mask.

According to Orleans Parish Sheriff’s Office records and NOPD, 35-year-old John Shallerhorn was arrested for first-degree murder of a police officer.

Records also show Shallerhorn was booked on an armed robbery charge. The shooting happened at George Washington Carver High School in New Orleans Friday night.

Near the end of the first quarter of the Carver vs. Warren Easton game, multiple gunshots were fired. The officer was pronounced dead at the hospital.

Superintendent Shaun Ferguson says the officer was on the Tulane University police force and a reserve constable with the Second City Court in Algiers, New Orleans.

As Shallerhorn was escorted out, he shot the officer twice, NOPD said. Shallerhorn placed the gun on the ground and was arrested on the scene.

Shallerhorn is being held without bond.

https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/mi...ce=facebook.com

Typical non masker behavior. They want to kill everybody.

If someone there had a gun this wouldn’t have happened. Oh wait, they all had guns. Nevermind.

I feel like, in this kind of case, where the identity of the shooter is so apparent and the crime is so public, that, if the US wanted this kind of thing to stop,
that in a case like this,
If they would hang the shooter, or electric chair, whatever, inside of two weeks,
then that kind of thing would become a deterrent.

If you shoot someone to death who is minding their own business, or in a robbery type where the other person was minding their own business, and everyone knows it's you, then capital punishment, (the death penalty), inside of two weeks, would be proper, and would become a deterrent.

If you think the non-mask wearer was thinking rationally and would have acted differently under your scenario - and was able to think to himself "well damn, if I was only facing life in prison I'd shoot this officer ... but they have that new law out and I'll probably be dead inside of a month, I better not shoot him" .... you are wrong.

Until they put it into practice, because if they did put it in practice these people would think twice.

Actually what I think, is how many lives would be better if,
if people could only understand, because it's a repeated ongoing theme, if we could just teach little little kids one thing,

The point in time from when the police grabs you, (rough handling whatever), until the time they throw you into the back of the police car,

That that segment of time is not the time to argue your rights, or argue your case, you will have better luck arguing "later" in front of probably a different audience, and not saying anything other than, "yes sir" "no sir" and "can I have a lawyer" maybe provide your name, are the only things that are going to go in your favor.
Because once they decide to grab you, it's probably a better outcome just to get in the back seat and shut up.

You can argue yer rights later.

Ok bro right after you take the knee off my neck that is preventing me from doing that. Pffft trump supporters are so out of touch with reality it’s not even funny anymore. Sit down son.

So Texas just opened everything up and even rescinded the mask mandate.

I get opening up, but why lift the mask requirement? Just straight up don’t give a crap about their people.

Friends of mine, who really are great people btw... super nice and all that from when I used to hang out with them when I lived back in southern California... are kindof the stereotypical people that "fled the oppressive liberal regime of CA" and moved to their "conservative utopia" of wherever, TX.

They were tracking the leadup to rescinding the mask mandate and were cheering for it over the past week or so. Sample size of one... but it's also Texas. What I'm trying to say is that this is what a bunch of people over there were asking for. Stupid govt is still a problem, but stuff like this really comes down to individuals doing their part, and a whole bunch of people were clamoring to rip the mask off (if they were wearing it to begin with).

Opening everything at 100% capacity with no mask mandate is the worst thing anyone could do at this point in time. Get ready for a new wave. Mississippi is doing the same thing. After all this time people still haven't figured out how any of this works.

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'Please hear me clearly': CDC director urges states not to reopen too soon as cases plateau

Over the last week, the daily number of cases and deaths has leveled off.

The U.S. has hit a plateau in coronavirus cases and deaths that signal a "potential shift in the trajectory of the pandemic," the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned states on Monday not to loosen restrictions and get in front of the progress the country has made since it hit a monumental 300,000 cases a day in January, the worst point of the pandemic so far.

Over the last week, the daily number of cases and deaths, on average, has risen by about 2% compared to the week prior, CDC Director Rochelle Walensky said during a White House press briefing, to about 67,000 cases per day and 2,000 American lives lost to the virus each day. It's nearly a third of what the U.S. was seeing during its holiday surge, but still no better than what the U.S. saw during the summer peak.

"With these new statistics, I am really worried about reports that more states are rolling back the exact public health measures we have recommended to protect people from COVID-19," Walensky said. "I understand the temptation to do this -- 70,000 cases a day seems good compared to where we were just a few months ago -- but we cannot be resigned to 70,000 cases a day, 2,000 daily deaths."

This leveling off comes as states across the country, led by Democrats and Republicans alike, have eased restrictions, from stringent measures put in place during the surge, like stay-at-home orders in California or shutting down indoor dining in New York, to reverting to the loosest rules since the pandemic began, like in Montana and Iowa, where the governors have lifted mask mandates and rolled back restrictions on businesses.

Arkansas and Texas are also considering a repeal of their mask mandates in the coming weeks.

Walensky, previously the chief of Infectious Diseases at Massachusetts General Hospital, had a targeted plea to all states on Monday: "Please hear me clearly. At this level of cases with variants spreading, we stand to completely lose the hard-earned ground we have gained," she said.

"These variants are a very real threat to our people and to our progress. Now is not the time to relax the critical safeguards that we know could stop the spread of COVID-19 in our communities, not when we are so close," she said.

Walensky urged people to continue driving down cases, as the U.S. has mostly done since early January -- though certain areas of the country, like Texas and Florida, have seen upticks in recent weeks.

There is no single reason cases have leveled off, but infectious disease epidemiologist and ABC News contributor John Brownstein said it could be a combination of factors including relaxed mitigation efforts or complacency, but also a drop-off in testing that allows people to unknowingly spread the virus and perhaps the cold snap in southern states like Texas that prompted people to gather indoors.

Brownstein also pointed to the increasing prevalence of the B.1.1.7 variant, which originated in the U.K. and is about 50% more transmissible.

"Clearly there's a lot of enthusiasm to get back to normal and I think we should be trying to do everything we can," Brownstein said. "But certain activities that we know are conducive to transmission, we need to hold off a little longer."

Walensky, chief medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci and other public health experts have been warning for weeks that letting up on mitigation before cases reach a more controllable level could lead to the same surge the U.S. saw after a patchwork of reopenings, largely across the South, erased much of the progress of the nearly nationwide March and April shutdown.

"We have the ability to stop a potential fourth surge of cases in this country. Please stay strong in your conviction, continue wearing your well-fitted mask and taking the other public health prevention actions that we know work," Walensky said.

Before news of the plateauing statistics, most of the U.S. was enjoying a sharp downward trajectory that coincided with the approval of a third coronavirus vaccine, developed by Johnson & Johnson and approved by the FDA over the weekend.

On Monday, 3.9 million doses of the newest vaccine, which only requires one dose compared to the double doses required for the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, shipped out. Sixteen million more doses will be available by the end of March, though the White House prepared states for an uneven distribution in the first few weeks as the company gets their production off the ground.

And as of Monday, 50 million Americans had received at least one dose of the other vaccines available, Pfizer and Moderna, according to the White House.

All three vaccines are safe and efficacious against the virus and its variants, including the B.1.1.7 variant, which was originally discovered in the U.K. The variant is about 50% more transmissible and scientists expect it to be the dominant strain in the U.S. by mid-March, making the race to vaccinate a majority of Americans more urgent.

The White House urged Americans to get whatever vaccine is available to them when it's their turn.

"All three vaccines have been proven safe, highly effective, at preventing severe disease and hospitalizations and death from COVID-19 after full immunity," said Dr. Marcella Nunez-Smith, the chair of the White House health equity task force.

"And if I could leave people with one message, it is this -- get vaccinated. With the first vaccine available to you. Protect yourself, your family and your community from COVID-19," she said.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hear-cdc...ory?id=76185108

While Texas and Mississippi yell, "Hold my beer!"

Texas is especially egregious, as they were hit really really hard not too long ago. And with being one of the states with larger population, they're always flirting with the top spot in terms of most new daily cases (usually some order of NY, CA, FL, and TX each day). How they can turn around so quickly and roll back so much is kinda nuts.

My good buddy was stationed in MS for a couple years and up until this past summer, and they were always fighting the masks and distancing throughout the whole pandemic. They largely flew under the radar because their population is fairly small, imo.

Well Biden asked for 100 more days before reopening to normal levels... so they jumped the gun to pwn the libs.

I just hope a Texas strain doesn't start up now.

Does this bring into question their claim of being pro life?

I think you are stretching things there.

I'd still wear my mask as I am sure many other will as well.


Here is the deal IMO. I wouldn't have done it at this point, but it probably doesn't matter all that much if you take care of yourself.

If somebody has it, they drive to the store to get groceries. The get out and put their mask on 20 feet from the door. Pretty typical. I usually do it that way.

Putting the mask on doesn't remove the cooties from them. They start touching cans of beans and there you have it if you aren't on top of it.

I have always been a germaphobe to a large degree. No, not like Howard Hughes...lol For years I have carried hand sanitizer with me. When a cold or flu is spreading around, I refused to shake hands. I would tell people "I" had a touch of something and didn't want to spread it to them rather than telling them I didn't want to touch them. I don't use hand rails in public places. Never have. I have my hand at the ready, about 4 inches over the top in the event I need it, but I try not to touch those things. Kids with a runny nose, forget it, even my own kids, don't come near me. I'll kiss and hug you extra in a week. I have been doing a lot of what we are doing now for 30-40 years, so this hasn't been a big deal to me.

I actually kind of like that people are wearing masks. I hope that people maybe make this a standard practice if they aren't feeling well. I may just give up shaking hands for good, but I have my hand sanitizer at the ready in case.

But those cooties don't give you COVID.

No. It brings into question their understanding to the health of themselves and those around them.

Wasn't that clear enough after the mess created by stupidity regarding their Grid?

I don't believe this at all. If you actually believe these governors don't understand that the cases and deaths will rise due to their decisions we will never agree. These aren't uneducated people making these decisions. Now if you are speaking about many of their constituents of which they are catering to you certainly may have a point.

Let's just look briefly at what we have seen over the last few months. We were told in no uncertain terms what would happen if people traveled over the holidays. People were warned ahead of time about family gatherings. Yet in many cases that advice was ignored. We saw the results of that in the number of cases and deaths that followed. That only takes elementary school logic and math to understand. They know.

I have always said that Republicans are pro birth, not pro life. What they are doing in Texas and Mississippi right now is some pretty solid evidence of that.

This post also applies to Peens response. I mean if larger gatherings don't matter now, they wouldn't have mattered over the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays. But they do. And when you give people the green light not to wear masks, less people will wear them.

Just remember your take on this as the cases and deaths greatly increase in both of these states. And of course as we've learned, or maybe some haven't, it won't take long before the increases begin to take root in neighboring states.

I was talking about the latter (constituents), though some governors definitely earn themselves some side-eye.

And I certainly won't dispute that constituents from both sides do somewhat follow blindly. At least those who are among the fringe elements of both groups.

But let's look at the entire virus picture here. There are a lot of people who simply go about their daily life and have decided that following the news isn't something they are willing to dedicate a lot of time to. I mean between work, children, hobbies and often times religious obligations, they place being well informed lower on their priority list. The time they do spend on the news is limited and therefore they only have time to look at one or two news sources.

Often times those sources align with their religious and or political views. Many evangelicals, Republican politicians and far right groups have played down the virus. They pretty much "get the okay" from those they trust or wish to believe about matters.

The one thing that should have NEVER been made political is Covid. It doesn't discriminate on who it kills according to your religion or which political party you choose to be a part of. It's an equal opportunity killer.

Many of the Republican party and religion have downplayed this virus. They have conditioned their supporters to believe that opening things up is just fine. I certainly think allowing yourself to be conditioned without questioning and looking at things for yourself is your own damned fault if one allows that to happen, but I understand how easily it can happen.

Many on the right trusted Trump. Many still do. They trust their Republican governors. As of now their trust is being betrayed. And many of those betraying it, know it.

I don't know, I suspect.
suspect states ending a mask requirement are hoping to be the early one, to be the first, to be out in front, to be looked upon as the trend setter because there has been a vaccine for 60 days.

I said, if we do it all at the same time, had it 6 months from now, (some days ago), and have a holiday for it, then we'd all be better off, because,
well because people are going to want to stop wearing masks, so when we were' all still wearing masks, if they'd had come out as a group and say
We're going to stop wearing masks, everybody, on August 1st,
because we love our neighbors'

the gesture would get more people to be willing to remain wearing them up until August 1st, and probably benefit everybody.

I'm tired of stopping at red lights but I still do because I know what can happen if I don't.

That's a great topic to bring up (why/how COVID was politicized in the first place). Could probably be its own thread, along the lines of what many have mentioned "we're going to be talking about/studying the whole 'rona situation and response for years and years".

I will say one thing, and I only say it because I think hindsight will largely gloss over it... the changing/contradictory guidelines and hypocrisy of some of our governors/leaders didn't help in getting people to focus on the important things and to even agree on some of the most basic points of the 'rona response (ex. COVID is serious). At one point, Fauci was saying 'meh' to masking. You had Pelosi violating 'rona rules to get her hair did. You had a maskless Newsome at a fancy dinner right after pleading with CA about the seriousness of COVID. IMO, that was far more damaging to the effort getting people serious about masking/distancing, etc than the elected mouth-breathers saying that a multi-layer piece of cloth was infringing on their rights.

The one thing I don't take for granted is that with any new virus or disease is that when it's new little is actually known about it. The more you learn, the more you know. As such I feel the guidelines have evolved over time based on the information being known increasing. I find expecting those guidelines to change as more information becomes available a natural progression of things.

I agree with you that none of the politicians you mentioned should have ever been out there breaking protocol. Where we disagree is that I find a year long, persistent attack on people like Faucci and scientific protocol far more damaging than the isolated incidents you have presented.

j/c...

jc

People keep saying trust the experts, but when the experts are providing numbers based on gut feelings and polls, it makes it hard to trust them.



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Dewine again seems to be dealing with this much better than other governors...

In regards to mandates, my question has always been "what assurances do we have they will ever be lifted?" It's nice to see someone actually provide some criteria.

Overall, he's been very thoughtful and balanced with his response. Most of all, though, is that he's been consistent and transparent.

Dude lost all legitimacy with me once he allowed the loons who harassed Dr. Acton to chase her away.

I don't necessarily disagree, but what was he supposed to do?

I haven't lived in Ohio for 50 years and don't really pay much attention to what is going on there except to get Browns news, but in looking for that news on Cleveland media sources, I do catch some of the goings on.

I agree. I am getting tired of Fauci. I think he likes the media attention and will keep nudging numbers in his favor to stay in that spotlight.

People got in a rage over President Trump understating things, and here Fauci says he did that because he knows what people want to hear.

This isn't to start anything about Trump. Screw Trump.

Fauci is full of crap.

There you go again with assumptions and allegations of conspiracy.
from the guy who claims China purposely unleashed the Virus onto the world including themselves and making trump look bad.