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Why did the Dolphins trade back up?

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Miami is winning the trade game... if they can cash in on those picks they'll be money


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Miami is winning the trade game... if they can cash in on those picks they'll be money


But why did they give up a future first to live back up to six? Especially this far away from the draft. It doesn’t make any sense.

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Maybe, just maybe, they want to be in position to take one of the best non-QBs in the draft.

Pitts, Chase, Waddle, Smith, Sewell, Slater - something they would not be at #12.

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Originally Posted By: Hammer
Maybe, just maybe, they want to be in position to take one of the best non-QBs in the draft.

Pitts, Chase, Waddle, Smith, Sewell, Slater - something they would not be at #12.


Right. But why not wait and see how the draft falls and then trade up? There’s a decent chance one of the guys you named will be there at 12.

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Obviously the Eagles were looking to trade down.
The 49ers were looking to trade up
and the Dolphins did not want to risk losing someone they view as a blue-chip guy.

I see nothing wrong with what the 'Phins did.


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Why would they take Pitts? Thay already Gisecki who is pretty good. I think they go best WR on their board.

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3 1st round picks for the (likely) 3rd choice of the QBs. Yowza, definitely paid the QB trade up premium. I guess a rookie QB (contract) should make it easier to keep the rest of a pretty good roster together. It definitely looks like the best landing spot if you're one of those draftable QBs.

Now we just need Carolina to trade up to 4 for the last of the big names at QB. Maybe even push Jones, Mond, and Mills in front of us, though that's probably too much to hope for.


I don't know that it matters. I think those QB's were going to be picked in front of us, so the order and when doesn't make all that much of a difference as far as the Browns are concerned.


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Just based off of what is being said today I would be surprised if Mac Jones doesn’t go before our pick.


Jones goes top 10. I wouldn't be surprised if he is the pick at 3.


That might surprise me, but I never saw Jones falling below our draft selection. I think he is and always was going to be selected in the top 2/3 of the 1st round.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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Maybe, just maybe, they want to be in position to take one of the best non-QBs in the draft.

Pitts, Chase, Waddle, Smith, Sewell, Slater - something they would not be at #12.


Right. But why not wait and see how the draft falls and then trade up? There’s a decent chance one of the guys you named will be there at 12.


I think in the heat of the draft, the price is likely to be more expensive. Doing so early gives both teams the ability to think about it overnight.


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Why would they take Pitts? Thay already Gisecki who is pretty good. I think they go best WR on their board.


Pitts could be the top "WR" on their board. He's basically the same size as Calvin Johnson coming out of Georgia Tech.

Or they could use him in 2TE sets.

It'd give them a lot of versatility. Pitts and Gesicki are both guys you can move around.

Why take a WR when you can take a guy who is a TE and a WR?

There is a lot of discussion about who the top receiver is. They all have some question marks. Chase didn't play last season, Waddle has injury concerns, Smith has size concerns. (None of that means they'd be bad picks) Pitts is the top non-QB prospect on a bunch of big boards.

I think Pitts actually makes a lot of sense for them.

There are plenty of receivers in the draft. Only 1 player like Pitts.


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If that was offered for Russell Wilson, what could the Texans get for DeShaun Watson?


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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
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Maybe, just maybe, they want to be in position to take one of the best non-QBs in the draft.

Pitts, Chase, Waddle, Smith, Sewell, Slater - something they would not be at #12.


Right. But why not wait and see how the draft falls and then trade up? There’s a decent chance one of the guys you named will be there at 12.


I think in the heat of the draft, the price is likely to be more expensive. Doing so early gives both teams the ability to think about it overnight.


I doubt it would be more expensive than a future first.

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Working a trade now is a certainty. A spur of the moment decision in the future is not.


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I’m taking the extra first round pick and the uncertainty.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15


But why did they give up a future first to live back up to six? Especially this far away from the draft. It doesn’t make any sense.


Honestly, I don't think they are all in on Tua.

Will there be a decent qb at 6?


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The trade back up into the top 10 does make it seem like the 'Phins are targeting a playmaker.

With the differences in attributes between Slater and Sewell, it's hard to imagine they have them so closely ranked that it would merit trading away a future 1st to get one of them (obviously they did not see either as a must-get guy, otherwise they would not have traded down below Cincinnati).

Simultaneously, since they traded back up to 6 and remained below the Bengals with almost 5 weeks to go before the draft, they must not be too concerned with Cincinnati's selection.

All that points to them having 2 ("possibly 3") guys that they identified as hard targets, with it most likely being a playmaker.

Going off the "consensus" (yikes), I'm going to randomly guess Chase and either Pitts or Waddle. If they actually have 3 hard targets, Pitts would theoretically almost certainly be one of them just going of the series of events.

90% playmaker
10% O-line (they could have an O-lineman and 2 playmakers as their targets).

Still speculative, but otherwise...why the move back up?


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Working a trade now is a certainty. A spur of the moment decision in the future is not.


and, I'm betting that whomever it is they are targeting is expected to get snatched by one of the teams between #7 and #11. So, they spent a free pick to leap-frog ahead of whomever that was. Maybe it's the team at #7, or maybe The Eagles are the first ones ahead of that team that they could get to take the deal.

Additionally, if you wait for a team to be on the clock, you now have a very small timeframe to work that trade and they have ALL the leverage to get more out of you. If you know who you want and where they will be available, then you position yourself now to get them.

Now, if you weren't 1000% certain that you just MUST have that one player, then, absolutely sit tight and play it by ear... but, if you gotta have one of the guys at that spot, then you have to go get that spot.


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If they wanted to take a QB they wouldn’t have traded down from three.

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But what about picks four and five? It’s just a strange decision to trade up to that spot at this point in time.

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j/c:

Lots of mocks were projecting Pitts to the Eagles. If he was the target, Miami would likely have needed to get back in front of the Eagles, which this move does. Plus they still have extra picks from trading back with SF.

Alternatively, if by some chance the Bengals go Pitts, the Dolphins will likely still have their pick of the receivers and the trade up would indicate that they have a preference for one over the others. Furthermore, they may have been worried about Pitts, Chase, Waddle, and Smith all being gone at 12.

They likely want to give Tua every chance to succeed by surrounding him with high end pass catching talent.

...or I could have no idea what I'm talking about and they want the first edge or CB.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
But what about picks four and five? It’s just a strange decision to trade up to that spot at this point in time.


I'm guessing that they've done their homework, and based on who they expect those teams to take, they obviously feel that #6 is where they can get THE guy, or one of the guys, they have targeted.

Maybe they tried to move up to #5 and they wouldn't bite, making #6 the highest they could get? We don't get to know that stuff, but by all appearances, they seem poised to still be guaranteed of getting the guy they were looking for, and they'll actually get to lock in a slightly lower amount of guaranteed money for him.


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But what about picks four and five? It’s just a strange decision to trade up to that spot at this point in time.


Agreed. Unless at this point in time, they like a few guys exponentially higher than everyone else (and there isn't much separation between those players as far as grades) and will be fine with any of them.


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Damn. Hope Sewell doesn't fall to the Bengals.


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Damn. Hope Sewell doesn't fall to the Bengals.


I'm not sure they take him if he is there, Jonah Williams their 1st rnd pick from 2019 who missed his rookie year do to injury played really well at LT last season. The Bengals main Oline problems were their OGs plus they could really use a WR or a guy like Pitts to give Burrow some weapons.


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Did he play that well? I remember him getting beaten like a drum against us in Game 1. I think it was against Clayborn??? What about them taking Sewell and sliding Williams inside (I would say RT, but I think they signed someone already)?


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He wasn't great but for his 1st year he did rather well, PFF grades:

Overall grade
Wills 61.5
Williams 70.1

Run Block grade
Wills 50.3
Williams 53.4

Pass Block grade
Wills 79.4
Williams 75.8

Pressures
Wills 4 sacks 5 hits 9 hurries
Williams 3 sacks 6 hits 11 hurries

Penalties
Willis 11
Williams 2


I just see the Bengals going Playmaker 1st and OG later.


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I think the Bengals take the WR from LSU


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I think the Bengals take the WR from LSU


That's my thinking as well, either him or Pitts the TE from Florida. I don't see them going Sewell unless those 2 are gone.


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
I think the Bengals take the WR from LSU


And then Joe Burrow dies.

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I think the Bengals take the WR from LSU


And then Joe Burrow dies.


They don't protect Burrow he will go down again ...


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I think the Bengals take the WR from LSU


And then Joe Burrow dies.


I believe Jonah Williams graded out better than Wills, and the Bengals signed Riley Reiff this offseason for their RT. Based on this, I don't think OT is the issue and there isn't a guard or C that is worth a top 5 pick.

Sewell makes sense if they want to move either Williams or Reiff inside - otherwise take best player that isn't a QB or OT and draft him some OG/OC beef in 2 and 3

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Chase - bank on it.

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Reiff is turning 33 and signed a one-year contract.

I think Mike Brown saw his life flash before his eyes when Burrow went down.


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I think the Bengals take the WR from LSU


And then Joe Burrow dies.


rofl


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I think the Bengals take the WR from LSU


And then Joe Burrow dies.



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