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MemphisBrownie #1875327 08/13/21 08:50 AM
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I will go with Milk Man. Joe is gone and now, he's just another guy to beat. Journeyman, but not an overwhelming threat IMO. Not a huge upgrade compared to where our D should shake out.

I liked him here, but not all that much. I give the Stoolies credit for their system and process; I do believe he will improve there over where he was here. Two previous teams got it right.


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The Steelers got worse today. Wonderful news!


Not wise to underestimate a team that always seems to find a way to get to the playoffs.


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I'm not too familiar with Steeler's roster, so I guess it really depends on what they were looking for. If Joe is supposed to be the savior of the middle of their D, then yeah... they're in big trouble.

If they're looking for another guy to plug in, push some 'also-rans' down or even off the roster... then they could do WAY worse than Joe. Hell, they're getting quite a bit of mileage out of a 'used up' Haden.


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I liked Schobert, and he made a lot of plays for us.

We often talk about how the constantly changing coaches hurt QBs, receivers, and so forth, but Schobert played for 3 different DC's while he was here. (Horton, Williams, and Wilks)

In his 3 years as a starter, he recorded 380 tackles, 14 TFL, 8 sacks, 16 QB hits, 6 INT, 7 forced fumbles, and 3 recovered. He could have been better at shedding blocks, but he was a reliable tackler. Unfortunately, I think he's a good pickup for the Steelers. On a really bad Jags team, last year, he had 141 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 6 QB hits, 3 INT, (1 for a TD, a rarity in Jax last year) 2 FF, and 6 TFL. I don't look forward to seeing him on a good Steelers defense.

He was likely let go by the Jags for the same reason a lot of veterans are after a regime change. The new guys want their guys.


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I think it boils down to the FO refusing to pay top-end $$ for middle-tier talent. I see it as staying disciplined with your spending. Schobert would've definitely helped our D last year, but the FO just wasn't going to spend the money required to keep him here. I can understand the reasoning.


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Schobert would've definitely helped our D last year, but the FO just wasn't going to spend the money required to keep him here. I can understand the reasoning.


Agreed. Once the new FO took over and free agency was several weeks away there was very little reason for Schobert and his team to not test the FA market, which general overpays early for players. He wasn't even approached the season before about an extension. I'm guessing, if he was, he would have signed for far less than what JAX paid for him.

Best case scenario.....get those talks going early and you probably won't drastically overpay for a player if he has been with the team for awhile.

See Nick Chubb.


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Originally Posted By: Damanshot
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The Steelers got worse today. Wonderful news!


Not wise to underestimate a team that always seems to find a way to get to the playoffs.


Pssst, I don't play in the games. My estimation of a team will not impact the outcome.

Schoebert had one outlier year in 2018. Otherwise, he's been unremarkable.

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But isn't that how the NFL works? How many actual "remarkable players" does any team have on their roster? The majority of NFL rosters are comprised of journeymen and middle of the road players. Now please don't get that confused, they aren't middle of the road compared to those who can't make it in the league but compared to those "remarkable players" they certainly look that way on film.

So since the majority of your roster is comprised of such journeyman players, the key to improvement is to upgrade anywhere you can any time you can at any and every position. The Steelers, much to my disgust, is a very sound organization. I don't see them just going out and acquiring Schobert if he wasn't an upgrade to their LB unit.


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Not sure of the financials, however it doesnt look like a bad move for the steelers. The draft pick wont matter as this is a salary dump and he might only be in Pitt for a year. Joe flashed for us on some plays but he seemed to miss a LOT more. I am not really concerned with him joining the Steelers that they just got better, he is the same guy as we had and Pitt ran all over us with him at LB playing for us.

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I liked Schobert too.

He will help Pittsburgh.


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Joe Schobert seems like a really nice guy. Not concerned about him going to the Steelers.

The Steelers once traded the Browns a 6th round pick for Justin Gilbert. They're not infallible.

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They just drafted a running back in the first round to cure their running game when their offensive line was terrible.

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I luvluvluv Shobert going to Pittsburgh...still not as much as I luv Haden's cinder-block contract around their necks...but it's close.

I actually like Shobert...unlike Haden. But he couldn't plug the middle closer than 5 yards downfield and he couldn't cover a dead tight end with a body bag.

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After the game Sunday against the Falcons I think we could see some trades.

The trades could be for draft picks or players.

It is hard to say how comfortable Berry and Kevin are with the DT group?

We have players that other teams will be inquiring about. Offensive line and receiver are areas of depth.

Hubbard is well liked and versitile. However, he is getting paid a lot and we have young guys who may be able to replace him.

Donovan has had a breakout camp. Schwartz will make the team. Davion Davis has made the most of every opportunity.
Hodge has been on this team and they know him well. He is a good special teams guy and has made plays.

So, where does does leave Higgins? Higgins as been hot and cold. He gets lost at times and then makes plays. He could draw interest. Baker of course trusts him.

Jarvis, Odell, DPJ, Schwartz are quaranteed.
Higgins, Hodge should make it.

JoJo Natson will be cut. JaMarcus Bradley will be cut.

If someone makes a good offer for Higgins and they like Davis? The same goes for Hodge.

You never know because you don't know what teams will offer.

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The biggest issue (at least in past seasons) for Higgins is that he does not play special teams. Someone like Hodge does. For me, that doesn't make a difference as Higgins is a far superior player, however, with the emergence of DPJ, and Schwartz being drafted, there are tough decisions to make....across the board, not just at the WR spot.

I think this team might hold on to an extra WR on the roster to start the season.

1. Because OBJ has been injured the last four years and Landry and been banged up as well.
2. There will be decisions made on the above two players in the offseason. Losing some of the younger WRs now seems like a lost opportunity if one, or both, will be replaced in 2022.



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Odell has not played in full team drills.

He has a injury history.

Higgins was shelved by Freddie. He sat under KS until injury opened the door. DPJ has better skills.

Hard to say how the coaches view this group.

Hubbard IMO is vulnerable.

Berry will look under every rock to find any improvement.

Hard to make any predictions other than the time is coming when that sort of thing happens.

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I do not see Hubbard vulnerable in any way. Coming back from his injury certainly made him questionable. But now that he's back from injury and playing?

I don't see it. Sure, we have "guys" that may be able to step up in a back up role besides Hubbard. But Hubbard has so much experience as a stater. Experience playing at both the RT and G positions. He could fill in at a moments notice at both G and RT.

I would say he's "the sixth man" in our OL depth and that's something you aren't just going to dismiss. Nobody else on our depth chart gives us anything close to what Hubbard does. And the FO renegotiated Hubbard's contract to fall in line with the role he currently plays.


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You may be right.

But then again Callahan may see something in others he likes.

Hudson was brought in to play. He is a rookie. You would think given the experience of Hubbard they would want to keep him.

But I have no idea what they see everyday at practice.

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Felton will take someones job.

He is playing receiver, running back, and special teams.

If he is listed as a receiver?
Jarvis, Odell, DPJ, Schwartz
Higgins, Hodge, (Felton)

Running back:
Chubb, Hunt, D'Ernest, (Felton)

Can Davion Davis make the team?

Most likely They try and stash Davis.

Higgins and Hodge make the team. Felton gets counted somewhere.

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Nor do I. I guess that's part of my thinking on the topic. We have a known commodity on Hubbard. While you are correct that we have some talent waiting in the wings, they would really have had to have shown something that causes you to believe they could step right in without missing a beat.

So where the "we are developing OL talent" and "the talent we are developing is ready to start at a moments notice" intersect I have no idea.

I know it was just last off season, March of 2020 when his contract was renegotiated to better reflect what is current role is. Right after Conklin was signed. A lot can change in a year. I'm just not sure I see anyone on the roster that could step into both the G or RT spot and produce the way Hubbard does.

But as you mentioned, our information to base such an opinion on is limited.


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We will find out soon enough.

I have not been a big Hubbard fan. I have admit that.

When he was the starter at RT. I saw him get beat so many times. And I mean beaten badly.

At other times he was servicable.

Guys like Hance, Dunn, Forbes, Hudson, Gossett, Senat I don't know how they are viewed?


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Well, if they draft properly, the Jets and Dolphins could really jump into being a contender in the next few years.

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And to think Michel was drafted before Chubb...


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And to think Michel was drafted before Chubb...


I agree and not an unusual occurrence. Too many Mel Kiper and other draft gurus picks that burn out in 3-4 seasons. That is why even though I might be excited the day after a draft I know it will be a while before I the real results are in.

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To be fair, Chubb had that devastating knee injury hanging over him like a cloud when he was drafted.


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And to think Michel was drafted before Chubb...


I agree and not an unusual occurrence. Too many Mel Kiper and other draft gurus picks that burn out in 3-4 seasons. That is why even though I might be excited the day after a draft I know it will be a while before I the real results are in.


The problem with that is it isn't Mel Kiper of any of the other draft gurus making those picks. It's NFL GM's making them.


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This isn't a trade but when looking at the listed topics I didn't quite know where to post this without starting a new thread.

Broncos name Teddy Bridgewater starting quarterback

The quarterback competition is over in Denver.

The Broncos have announced that Teddy Bridgewater will start the season as Denver’s QB1, winning the job over incumbent starter Drew Lock. The franchise tweeted out the news on Wednesday morning.

Denver sent a 2021 sixth-round pick to Carolina in exchange for Bridgewater back in April. The trade was designed to have the QB compete with Lock. While both players displayed some flashes, head coach Vic Fangio has elected to go with the more experienced option.

Bridgewater was a full-time starter last year for the first time since suffering a career-threatening knee injury just before the start of the 2016 season. Bridgewater completed 69.1 percent of his passes last season for 3,733 yards with 15 touchdowns and 11 interceptions with Carolina. He averaged a career-high 7.6 yards per attempt and compiled a 92.1 passer rating.

In 2019, Bridgewater started five games in place of an injured Drew Brees in New Orleans, leading the Saints to a 5-0 record. He threw for 1,384 yards with nine touchdowns and two interceptions that season.

Bridgewater will now become the fifth different Week One starting quarterback in the five years since the Broncos won Super Bowl 50.

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Wade never panned out at Ohio State. He was supposed to be the next great CB to come out… but fizzled greatly last year. He got beat way too often on any hitch route or double move. The Ravens aren’t losing much. Hopefully the Pats are giving even less.


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I stand by my assessment of his OSU days. I haven’t followed the Raven’s preseason. Maybe the light has come on… or maybe it’s just preseason stardom. I just know he was at times being targeted by college teams. Getting beat like a red headed stepchild by both Indiana and NW if I recall correctly.


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Last year he was awful at OSU, know question about it. I think he was a steal in the 5th though. Scary the Ravens don't have room for him.


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