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They definitely know where they each stand. No team lets a player they would like to keep head off to free agency in a vacuum. They absolutely have been talking up to this point; Higgins agent, no doubt, was trying to get more than the team was willing to pay otherwise there'd be a deal.
I'm betting the market is bearing out to be more in line with what the team was thinking and not so much what Higgins' agent was thinking, otherwise there'd at least be a rumor of something other than "he's still letting the market work".
My bet is that after taking a look at free agency, he will be back at whatever the team offered and both sides will be equitably happy. Agreed 100%. I'd guess 3-4m/year with incentives.
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The Browns would like to resign Higgens. BUT it has to be at or close to their price. If not he will be moving on.
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I agree, even though I didn't know we actually had a offer on the table.
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The silence around the Higgins situation is getting to me.
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Are we randomly switching to a 3-4 and needing a 237lb rush LBer?
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12.5 sacks last year would be the answer to "why?". Having a base 4-3 does not mean we never employ a rush LB. Reddick could expand your pass rush packages.
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So would you pay big money for someone who can only rush the passer? Because Arizona tried him as a more traditional OLB and he failed miserably so that limits him to obvious passing situations.
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So would you pay big money for someone who can only rush the passer? Because Arizona tried him as a more traditional OLB and he failed miserably so that limits him to obvious passing situations. I think it’s obvious that front office isn’t willing to pay big money for an edge guy.
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So would you pay big money for someone who can only rush the passer? Because Arizona tried him as a more traditional OLB and he failed miserably so that limits him to obvious passing situations. I think it’s obvious that front office isn’t willing to pay big money for an edge guy. That pretty much sums up the discussion.
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So would you pay big money for someone who can only rush the passer? Because Arizona tried him as a more traditional OLB and he failed miserably so that limits him to obvious passing situations. I think it’s obvious that front office isn’t willing to pay big money for an edge guy. It appears to have played out that way...but I think they were willing to spend big on an edge...but not stupid $$$ to do so. JMO
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Seeing an article on CBS that says we’re the front runner to land Anthony Harris. That would be a surprise to me now
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So would you pay big money for someone who can only rush the passer? Because Arizona tried him as a more traditional OLB and he failed miserably so that limits him to obvious passing situations. First of all, who said anything about paying big money? Second of all, what the hell do I care how much they pay him. We've all seen how pliable and malleable (ie, meaningless) the so-called salary cap is. Third of all, most defenses employ situational packages based on down-and-yards. What I want is a defense that gets off the field.
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To be clear, I think Reddick would be a fit on the field. I don’t think we will sign him because he will cost too much.
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To be clear, I think Reddick would be a fit on the field. I don’t think we will sign him because he will cost too much. Maybe so, but he is still out there after the run on top tier Edge guys. I'm guessing you could sign him for $7-8M per year, meaning his salary combined with Takk McKinley's wouldn't exceed any of the top tier Edge salaries in this year's FA class.
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To be clear, I think Reddick would be a fit on the field. I don’t think we will sign him because he will cost too much. Maybe so, but he is still out there after the run on top tier Edge guys. I'm guessing you could sign him for $7-8M per year, meaning his salary combined with Takk McKinley's wouldn't exceed any of the top tier Edge salaries in this year's FA class. If that’s his salary then we agree. I think he’ll cost more.
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To be clear, I think Reddick would be a fit on the field. I don’t think we will sign him because he will cost too much. I think that any players value to a team depends a lot on how he will be used. Let's say he fits into a teams scheme where he would be closer to a starter role or fit in more of their packages, he would be playing more downs and be more valuable to that team. If on the other hand you see him as strictly a situational player who will take less snaps his value wouldn't be as great.
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Seeing an article on CBS that says we’re the front runner to land Anthony Harris. That would be a surprise to me now Does the front office know something about Delpit's injury that hasn't been disclosed to us yokels? Or can you just never have enough safeties? 
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Seeing an article on CBS that says we’re the front runner to land Anthony Harris. That would be a surprise to me now Does the front office know something about Delpit's injury that hasn't been disclosed to us yokels? Or can you just never have enough safeties? Delpit is doing fine according to his social media. In the NFL today it is ideal to have as many versatile safeties as possible. One of our three safeties will be lined up as a linebacker most of the time.
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Seeing an article on CBS that says we’re the front runner to land Anthony Harris. That would be a surprise to me now Does the front office know something about Delpit's injury that hasn't been disclosed to us yokels? Or can you just never have enough safeties? Woods does like to run 3 safeties, but with Johnson and Harrison, it would be odd to sign Harris unless there is an issue with Delpit. Hopefully that's not the case, unless it's a 1 year deal for Harris and they're going to try to bring Delpit back slowly.
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Harrison might be considered injury prone.
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3 Safeties? We're running a 4-1-6 with 4 of them.
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Here's what the CBS site says: "While he failed to record a single interception last season (a year after leading the league with six picks), Harris tallied a career-high 104 tackles. The Browns, a team that currently has questions at safety, should be considered a front-runner to land the seven-year veteran." Despite this being posted 6 hours ago, it sure feels like old news or someone who doesn't know we signed Johnson. Link: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-f...ght-be-heading/
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Here's what the CBS site says: "While he failed to record a single interception last season (a year after leading the league with six picks), Harris tallied a career-high 104 tackles. The Browns, a team that currently has questions at safety, should be considered a front-runner to land the seven-year veteran." Despite this being posted 6 hours ago, it sure feels like old news or someone who doesn't know we signed Johnson. Link: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-f...ght-be-heading/ That was my takeaway. Writer had no clue Browns agreed to deal with Johnson or it was written pre-tampering and updated w/o further editing.
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3 Safeties? We're running a 4-1-6 with 4 of them.
J/k... maybe. Yep, some variations of 524, 425 416 and 515 I would suspect a lot of nickel packages that have 3 safties deep. The NFL is long overdue for having 3 safties.
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Isn’t that the third guy of ours they have signed?
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Isn’t that the third guy of ours they have signed? yeah it seems like that’s a few so far
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Guys I’m really paranoid and not feeling great about our chances to retain certain players next season. I understand the cap is expected to go up... but we gotta find a way to pay bake, Chubb, and ward next season.
And I think OBJ and Landry contracts might be an issue as well. I dunno man I just got a bad feeling
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Everything that I have read leading up to this FA period said that the Browns had one of the better cap situations. I am hoping that our relative inactivity is an indication that we are going to concentrate on retaining our players.
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This would be my thought as well ... Baker’s extension looms large, and so does Chubb’s
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j/c: Browns Hosting LB Anthony Walker On A Visit https://bit.ly/3bZnQYZ
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Indianapolis Colts free agent linebacker Anthony Walker Jr. is visiting the Cleveland Browns on Thursday, per Adam Schefter of ESPN. Walker Jr. has been working as the MIKE linebacker for the Colts since he was drafted in the fifth round of the 2017 NFL draft but with Bobby Okereke set to take over that role, Walker Jr. hits the market. Over the last three seasons, Walker Jr. has started 46 of a possible 48 games for the Colts. He would eventually give way to Okereke during the 2020 season as the latter continued to prove to be a better fit for the Colts defense. An extremely intelligent player and strong asset against the run, Walker Jr. can command a defense easily while being a leader off the field. However, his limitations in coverage could give teams pause in giving him a big contract. It is unlikely the Colts will match his price to bring him back to Indy, which makes the Browns a potential suitor for the 25-year-old. https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/18/nfl-colts-free-agency-anthony-walker-visit-browns/FYI- Had a pretty bad PPF grade of 48.
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