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the rockies have all the momentum coming in to this game and they have todd helton who is easily the best hitter in this series. Even if there hitting isnt going after a couple games the rockies announced that they will put Kazuo Matsui at pitcher because he learned the gyroball from his cousin Yao Ming.
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I'm going to try and watch, but it'll be painful for me. The Sox should win in 5 unless the Rockies keep playing out of their minds. If they're smart, they'll play Ellsbury and Kielty more than they did in the ALCS. I guess I'll cheer for the Red Sox because I'm an American League guy, but it still will be hard to watch. Cavs season in another week 
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Jacoby Ellsbury is staring in Centerfield tonight I'm happy about that. I like CoCo Crisp, but I like Ellsbury more
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and they have todd helton who is easily the best hitter in this series.
We have 4 guys who are hitting over .333 in the postseason. Lowell (.333), Ortiz (.387), Rameriez (.400), and Youkillis (.425). Helton is hitting .154 in the postseason.
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I like Ellsbury more than Crisp. I'm glad they're playing him tonight. The Sox have some good young players, my favorite being Pedroia. I think I'd like the Sox I just have a hard time getting over Manny. Not a fan of his at all.
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Don't say "Sox." the team you are rooting for consists of 3 Red Sox in the batting lineup who are surrounded by a cast of MLB All Stars that Red Sox ownership bought from other teams. The Red Sox pitching staff has 0 starting pitchers who are original Red Sox. There is no Boston Red Sox, rather, an expensive front acting as if they are the Boston Red Sox. I give Boston ownership, and Theo Epstein, 0 credit at all. Give me 140,000,000 dollar payroll and give you a 40,000,000 dollar payroll, we'll see who wins.
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We have 4 guys who are hitting over .333 in the postseason. Lowell (.333), Ortiz (.387), Rameriez (.400)
Lowell-bought, Ortiz-bought, Ramirez-bought, J.D. Drew-bought, Julio Lugo-bought, tonigh's starting pitcher Josh Beckett-bought,
So, the true Red Sox have Youk, Varitek, and a rook batting against the Rockies tonight and no starting pitcher, Ahhhhhh, where would they be without their money? 
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and they have todd helton who is easily the best hitter in this series.
We have 4 guys who are hitting over .333 in the postseason. Lowell (.333), Ortiz (.387), Rameriez (.400), and Youkillis (.425). Helton is hitting .154 in the postseason.
Dont downgrade todd for doing everything right. All your doing is kicking a person when hes down.
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Do you ever or do you ever plan on posting anything that is not troll-like? GO ROCKIES anyway......screw the Red Sox and their fans.... 
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I want the Rockies to win but I think it will be Red Sox in 5. Red Sox win the first two at home, Rockies win game 3 but Boston takes games 4 and 5.
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There was absolutely nothing troll-like about what he posted. Where are you coming from?
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There was absolutely nothing troll-like about what he posted. Where are you coming from?
There was if you have read all of his posts as well as his changing sigs.....
People mock what they don't understand at times, ya know??? 
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There was absolutely nothing troll-like about what he posted. Where are you coming from?
There was if you have read all of his posts as well as his changing sigs.....
People mock what they don't understand at times, ya know???
ill im doing is defending my favorite player in baseball history. Just beacuase i dont have as much posts as you doesnt mean im a troll
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13-1 Red Sox in the 6th
right now Colorado has a pitcher who's ERA is 94.50 (7 ER in .2 IN)
The only reason people get lost in thought is because it's unfamiliar territory.
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the rockies just need to get the series back to colorado. The snow will throw off the red sox and they will lose 3 games and then 1 in boston.
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the rockies just need to get the series back to colorado. The snow will throw off the red sox and they will lose 3 games and then 1 in boston.
I hate to break to you, but the stuff that fell last weekend already melted and it is going to be sunny and 60's for the next week. 
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We have 4 guys who are hitting over .333 in the postseason. Lowell (.333), Ortiz (.387), Rameriez (.400)
Lowell-bought, Ortiz-bought, Ramirez-bought, J.D. Drew-bought, Julio Lugo-bought, tonigh's starting pitcher Josh Beckett-bought,
So, the true Red Sox have Youk, Varitek, and a rook batting against the Rockies tonight and no starting pitcher, Ahhhhhh, where would they be without their money?
Before going off on a rant, please know what you are talking about. While I agree there needs to be a salary cap and that money does play a big factor, a lot of the player you mentioned weren't "bought" as you put it, but rather the Red Sox traded their homegrow talent for proven veteran players. I'm not a fan of any team that even made the playoffs this year, so I could care less who wins what, but I've read numerous posts and thats all you have to say after Cleveland lost 3 games in a row to lose the series. The Indians lost, their season is over, get over it.
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Before going off on a rant, please know what you are talking about. While I agree there needs to be a salary cap and that money does play a big factor
Indeed. Look who the Red Sox had to leave off of their World Series roster:
6 Matt Clement $9,500,000
13 Tim Wakefield $4,000,000
15 Julian Tavarez $3,350,000
19 Royce Clayton $1,500,000
20 Brendan Donnelly $1,400,000
Must be nice to sit $19.75 million and not even feel it.
On the other hand, they're getting good production at the bottom of the salary list, too:
21 Hideki Okajima $1,225,000
22 Doug Mirabelli $750,000
23 Kyle Snyder $535,000
24 Jonathan Papelbon $425,500
25 Kevin Youkilis $424,500
26 Javier Lopez $402,500
27 Jon Lester $384,000
28 Dustin Pedroia $380,000
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right now Colorado has a pitcher who's ERA is 94.50 (7 ER in .2 IN)
I think he played for the Orioles..   ...I HATE Boston.... 
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Before going off on a rant, please know what you are talking about. While I agree there needs to be a salary cap and that money does play a big factor, a lot of the player you mentioned weren't "bought" as you put it, but rather the Red Sox traded their homegrow talent for proven veteran players. I'm not a fan of any team that even made the playoffs this year, so I could care less who wins what, but I've read numerous posts and thats all you have to say after Cleveland lost 3 games in a row to lose the series. The Indians lost, their season is over, get over it.
Good try but this guy's been told this before and it didn't sink in...oh well, I guess he wants to sound like a whiny baby who doesn't know what he's talking about. (he does it well)
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I give Boston ownership, and Theo Epstein, 0 credit at all.
I'll be sure to let them know; they'll be devastated, I'm sure. 
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Here's hoping the Rockies will win... Sorry Sox fans. Not like it really matters... The Red Sox basically won the series yesterday. In the last four games, their run ratio is 43-6. Holy moley. Funny thing I came across... Manny named both of his children (13- and 4-years old) Manny. Take some time and imagine the dialogue at the Ramirez home.
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Manny named both of his children (13- and 4-years old) Manny. Take some time and imagine the dialogue at the Ramirez home.
Thats so when his wife calls the kids for supper, she just has to yell....Manny and all three of them come running, & from the looks of things, they probebly dont miss supper or any meal for that matter to often.... 
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Before going off on a rant, please know what you are talking about. While I agree there needs to be a salary cap and that money does play a big factor, a lot of the player you mentioned weren't "bought" as you put it, but rather the Red Sox traded their homegrow talent for proven veteran players. I'm not a fan of any team that even made the playoffs this year, so I could care less who wins what, but I've read numerous posts and thats all you have to say after Cleveland lost 3 games in a row to lose the series. The Indians lost, their season is over, get over it.
This is unreal. Are you not aware of the contracts that the Red Sox assume when they trade their prospects for the best players in the league? Are you not aware that the Red Sox have the second highest payroll in baseball?
I tell you that the Red Sox are not a team, rather, an expensive front that dresses like the Red Sox, and all you can say back is " they traded their homegrown players for proven veteran players" - Is that all you've got?
They traded their homegrown players for proven veteran players? Yeah, because money wasn't a factor at all when they recieved Beckett and Lowell from the Marlins. and. . . Money wasn't a factor at all when they outbid the Indians for Ramirez, and . . . Money wasn't a factor at all when they signed David Ortiz, or Curt Schilling, or JD Drew, or Lugo, or Dice K, - All of the other teams simply let these players go and the Red Sox payroll had absolutely nothing to do with the Red Sox acquiring them. Oh that's right, they were all accrued because of minor league talent that was traded away. Better luck next time.
Btw, before countering one of my rants, have a well thought out response.
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Am I the only one that finds Muni, of all people, saying this hilarious?
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Am I the only one that finds Muni, of all people, saying this hilarious?
Let me think about it...before I respond
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Btw, before countering one of my rants, have a well thought out response.
Am I the only one that finds Muni, of all people, saying this hilarious?
Nope. Poor ol Muni.
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Whooaaaa! You got me, you win, I lose. That was so well thought out, and meaningful. WOW you are awesome! I suppose whenever I can't think of a reasonable response, or argument to a post, I'll just find one line of the post and then think of some cool response like "coming from you, that's funny" or maybe I'll use something like " after reading your posts, that's funny"
I gotta say, if I'm ever in a debate, I want you on my side. Your good bro. No, your real good. You should apply for law school, 'cause your debating skill is amazing.
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Your another one, just like Topdog. I have never, ever, seen anybody debate as good as you. I can see your method, and I have to say, it's awesome. You read something, if you don't like it, you don't don't comment on it, rather, you comment on the person who wrote it. I guess, for you, commenting on the content of a post requires some research, and thought process, and you want nothing to do with that. Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I wonder how you would do in an open debate forum,- probably really, really, good. That's for sure.
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Funny thing I came across... Manny named both of his children (13- and 4-years old) Manny. Take some time and imagine the dialogue at the Ramirez home.
George Foreman has 10 kids, 5 boys named George Foreman Jr.... George Foreman III.... George Foreman IV.... George Foreman V.... and George Foreman VI....
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So you're saying if the Indians had the money to spend, you wouldn't want them to go out and make a play for the best free agents?  If you're so... "upset" about Boston getting so far, what do you have to say about the Mets? #3 in payroll. Sure was an advantage for them... Well hey, they get an extra month to rest up for next season.
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George Foreman has 10 kids, 5 boys named George Foreman Jr.... George Foreman III.... George Foreman IV.... George Foreman V.... and George Foreman VI....
Hope they all get a cut from the grill profits.
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So you're saying if the Indians had the money to spend, you wouldn't want them to go out and make a play for the best free agents?
If you're so... "upset" about Boston getting so far, what do you have to say about the Mets? #3 in payroll. Sure was an advantage for them... Well hey, they get an extra month to rest up for next season.
Not to argue a side, sir, but this Indians fan would rather the "money to spend" be an equal playing field, that's all. And I would say the Mets did have an advantage until they decided to collapse. If they hadn't a payroll advantage, they might never have been in a position to collapse in the first place. Who knows ? Just my opinion.
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I'd like an equal playing field too, but it just isn't there... And nothing to do except wait until the league wises up and institutes a cap.
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So you're saying if the Indians had the money to spend, you wouldn't want them to go out and make a play for the best free agents?
Well Hurricane, I appreciate the response. I can see that your opinion differs from mine, and I am cool with that.
I think that there is an integrity issue at hand. I happen to like the way the Indians have built their team. -You know, from the inside out. I think the Indians method is keeping in the standards of a fair, legitimate league.
On the other hand, teams like the Red Sox do not have the patience to build from the inside out, so they simply go out and buy players that other teams cannot afford to hang on to. - When baseball was invented, I can assure you, that was not the way it was meant to be played. All Star games are good for baseball, but teams that are comprised of All Stars from other teams, are not good for the sport.
I understand why you brought up the Mets, you are trying to protect against a double standard, but, I don't think there is a double standard at hand. -There is no way the Red Sox make the playoffs, let alone the World Series without the likes of Ramirez, Ortiz, Lugo, Drew, Beckett, Schilling, etc.
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I'm just riling your feathers... I wouldn't be half the fan of the team if we just went out and bought players to fill in. There's something special to me about seeing a ballplayer when he begins in Single A, then watching him mature into a fullblown major leaguer. For example (enter dream sequence), I remember going to a Spring Training game in Winter Haven back in '03. I tried to watch on Grady Sizemore, and I saw hands down one of the best plays I've ever seen a ballplayer make, though it's kind of fuzzy now... He was on 2nd base, and got caught in a run down between third and home trying to run a single out... He went all for nothing, and someway put a run on the board. It's a play I'll never forget, as long as he's in the league. The Red Sox could choose to build from the inside, but they just choose not to... And with the market they have, why should they have to, without a set rule from the league? I'll point my fingers at the league for allowing it to happen, not as much at the Red Sox.
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I'm all about a cap of some type,....even if their was a luxury tax in addition that got split up by the remainder of the league.
But, I believe baseball needs to get back to basic American economics. Renumeration based on performance.
(1) I think there should be flat rate "pay scales" for EVERYBODY at every position, including the manager. IF these are the best 1600 baseball players in the business (this is what I'm told,...) then why aren't they paid the same,...?? Why does baseball pay for incompetence,....???
(2) I think there should be a big pot of money that is " fought over " in a bunch of categories that are easily trackable,....wins, playoff apppearance(s), MVP's, Triple Crown bonuses, 3d base fielding percentage, etc. etc. You get the idea.
(3) And here's some out-of-the-box for you,...award the franchise that draws the best attendance a bonus piece of " the pie."
The problem with baseball is not so much the big amounts of money, but the fact that they don't want to share the rewards.
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I don't debate with irrational people and I pretty much don't care what your opinion is. I've read your ranting on other threads and by this point it bores me. Quote:
I wonder how you would do in an open debate forum,- probably really, really, good.
Just a tip: if you're going to try to put down someone's ability to discuss or debate, you should try to be grammatically correct yourself. Otherwise, you look kinda dumb.
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The Red Sox could choose to build from the inside, but they just choose not to... And with the market they have, why should they have to, without a set rule from the league? I'll point my fingers at the league for allowing it to happen, not as much at the Red Sox.
There's also the point that the Sox are in the same division as the Yankees and in order to be competitive with them have to play that game. They're not going to sit idly by and let the Yankees have the division every year.
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