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Bro that post was uglier than a 100 mph 3 yard pass by Derick Anderson.

sorry.
just couldn't help piling on.

Kinda along the same lines, aside from Tavierre Thomas and Sendejo, who was the third DB that was regularly getting roasted in coverage? I'm getting my depth DBs mixed up. Was it KJ that was getting picked on regularly?

I know the DB situation was messed up from the get-go with Greedy being out, but if we've essentially swapped KJ for Hill... an upgrade is an upgrade.

Was it Robert Jackson?

Thank you. I definitely was getting my depth DBs mixed up.

Hope he can replace T. Thomas on special teams since we resigned Jackson and didnt resign Thomas. Not a complaint. Just saying Thomas was valuable on ST and his contribution on those units has to be made up for by somebody.

That's what UDFA's are for.

Some kid in camp who recognizes that his best way of making the roster is Special Teams will step up and take that role.


As for the secondary, just the fact that we won't be putting a 3rd stringer out there just to be able to go Nickle is a massive upgrade. We have starter-quality across the board for the three CB spots... and for the three Safeties, too.

Now, we just need to groom/elevate our backups a little so in the event of injury the drop-off isn't so huge.

And that's what I think people sometimes miss in FA signings. Not all of them are signed as an upgrade to the starting roster. Some are simply signed to upgrade your depth chart. If after your third CB or S you fall off a cliff, upgrading that fourth guy at S and CB are critical to success as well. Injuries will happen. At that point the quality of your depth means everything.

Ok, since UDFA's are for special teams can you explain what Jackson's role is likely to be? It sure isn't pass coverage if his production last season is any indication.

My comment isn't about Freddie's tenure itself, but Freddie was (what looks to be) the end of a long line of huge gambles the Browns have FO's have made over the years. We've gambled on coaches, we've gambled on over priced players past their prime, we've gambled on drafted players with incomplete profiles...

To be fair, hiring Stefanski was a gamble, but that gamble to me felt a little more calculated and trying to play the lotto.

I think bone is right in that we can get excited for next season. And for those not quite there yet, they too are right because no one disagrees that consistency is the next step for this team.

Malik?
Man, I hope his role isn't in coverage!

We are where we have wanted to be since the return. We have our coach. We have our qb. We were talented beyond a one and done playoff team before this offseason, and we have plugged the last of our gaping holes BEFORE the draft. We are still better off financially than most other teams in the league. We have a GM that has yet to make a move that leaves me scratching my head. This team is now ready to compete at the highest level for the foreseeable future. I seriously doubted whether we'd ever get to this place.

j/c...

A recommendation from Money Mitch...

Great story.

In General a team needs something reliable in the Db's or it gets very ugly when they get torched.
(I'm remembering a game against Indianapolis around 2017 where Indy put up 21 points in the 2nd quarter on about 3-5 passing plays, and quickly had 35 on their side of the score board.)

(Flashback! That was one of the times a Backup or 2nd string quarterback beat the Browns under Coach Hue.,
First: The fact the Browns faced about 7+ backup Qb's in a year or two is unbelieveable in it's own right,
Second: The abysmisal record of going almost winless against all of them is almost at unbelieveable.
third: This supersedes Hue Jackson as even before and after he was coach the Browns still have an abysmal record against backup quarterbacks.
If you'd take the last 16 times the Browns faced a backup quarterback, I wonder if they have won 3 of them.
May hold true if you counted from prior to the 2020 year, because in 2020 they beat the Redskins and 2nd steelers game against backups.
End of flashback.)


The Browns, I think got a LOT of Overachieved Success from their secondary last year, that goes unheralded and refusal to see from this message boards posters, and there is a propensity to mock the former Browns players.

But the bottom line, in my opinion and view of observation, is the reliable members of the Browns secondary from last year,
while not statistically super heros, were able to play as a group that understands what to do.

So Now! The Browns have largely jettisoned the entire group, and brought in a new set of individuals,

It could get Very Ugla, <-- I did miss spell that but it looks like a Cajun word. You know, Ugly and Ugla, it's even worse
It could be an improvement, we've seen both occur in years past.

It is a total rebuild.

I'm really going to miss Terrance Mitchell. I don't know how this team wins a game without Terrance Mitchell on the field.
He was a Trunk of a plant or tree.
Every other DB was a branch, that exceled in its role apart from that trunk,
Now, there are a bunch of branches floating in the wind, Who will become the new trunk?

I really think it's going to be a down year for the Browns secondary,
"They could have kept the team together",

But they can't ever seem to,

In January, when your asking why did the Browns regress so far from 2020-2021, it's because they couldn't keep the team together,

Or maybe not, Maybe taking what works and rebuilding what isn't broken,
12 wins

and choosing a full on rebuild, is going to result in "even better"

There is a first time for everything.

By this point, I'm starting to think they took Greedy to Wright Patterson Air Force Base.

Get on the field.

He's such a smart signing. The Browns desperately needed a factor at the nickel position and he can be that. When you consider the rotating issues which occurred last season with Tav Thomas, Kevin Johnson and M.J Stewart, adding a guy who fill that position was a must. I could point out a vast array of failures at that position - most notably the final first down of the season which sealed the loss against KC.

Troy Hill thrives in that role, but he's also someone who is excited to be a Cleveland Brown and is throwing his heart and soul in to the job. That never goes wrong.

The DB list is starting to become quite intimidating:

Denzel Ward
Greedy Williams
Troy Hill
Ronnie Harrison
John Johnson
Grant Delpit

That's a fearsome secondary. That's loaded with size, talent and production while also being boosted by a fantastic defensive front.

well, it is a defensive front with a ton of potential.... it still needs some help because, as-is, it won't hold up and get pressure all year. We just aren't deep enough. Our talent on the DLine is very superficial and as soon as we start rotating or get hit by the injury bug, our entire D's effectiveness will drop off a cliff.

Best sideline secondary in the NFL. I respect the injuries, but some of these folks need to be on the field or make way on our roster. And I DO love what we have, every one of them. But it is time to play this year.

We know about 4 of them. Delpit has yet to take an NFL snap. Granny hasn't played in close to half of possible games and what little he showed was meh.

I am not writing either of them off yet, but we can't write them on yet, either. Both drafted high (and not considered reaches) so the potential is there. But they need to perform on the field before they can be seen as fearsome or intimidating.

Agreed. We can't be 100% sure about our secondary yet. That's why getting another pass rusher opposite Myles is imperative.

I feel you, but that's why I'm so excited. That's also what she said.

Imagine talent like Grant Delpit and Greedy Williams being the guys we're unsure about. Like, damn. That's wild. We're a long way from hoping Leon McFadden does anything or wondering why Tramon Williams is still suiting up.

Delpit is less of a concern because JJ3 and Ronnie Harrison are, at worst, an exciting duo at safety. Delpit just needs to be a guy in that mix who can shake things up, but there is no pressure on him to carry too much of a load. We'll be able to find a role for him at worst.

Personally, I love Greedy. Dude was phenomenal in his first two games, then suffered a niggling hamstring injury, then returned when Chad Thomas and Porter Gustin were our pass rushers. Let's point out EVERYONE in the secondary sucked that year, even Denzel Ward. We were a mess. And Greedy was dealing with that as a rookie - corners don't exactly tend to set the league on fire in year one as it is.

Then coming in to year two, he was said to be looking good before the injury. I think the guy has just had rotten luck far more than being justifiably meh.

Again, I'll take those two as a weakest link. They'd both probably be the strongest link for more than a few teams around the league.

Write them on. Just based on the talent and the four we know we've got, it's hard to imagine this secondary not being a big improvement over any we've had in a while.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Hill in the slot with Greedy on the outside for obvious passing downs.

At this point, I think proof of life (on the field) from Greedy would light up the Browns fandom.

Yeah, I think that goes without saying.

I'm lazy, but I thought one of the reports on Greedy when he was drafted was that he was strictly an outside corner type.

I remember a few years ago when Bengal Fan, was talking trash to me that Adam Jones was going to return from an injury.

In my mind I was like, "I hope he comes back, we've been torching him for 6 years."

If Ahem' is that good, maybe the Browns can trade him to Cincinnati, and hope plays a long time.