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Baker and Myles.

It pains me to say this... RB's are a dime a dozen. QB and DE are not.

Sadly I have to agree, Chubb is probably my favorite Brown ever with his demeanor and work ethic. But RB's have short careers. I love Chubb by the way.

There is nothing about Chubb's demeanor or personality that tells me he is seeking to be the highest paid RB or wants to break the bank. I truly believe that if the Browns offer him a fair deal he'll take it. And by fair I mean not lowball, but not extreme, a deal that recognizes his value. Guys like Zeke have big egos and demand to be paid top salaries. With Nick, pay him well, and he'll stay with the team. (Or so I believe.)

You simply pay him, period. I don't get all the talk about Chubb, he is not replaceable nor is Hunt.

I don't see Nick wanting to break the bank. I think if the Browns make a good faith offer he will sign a new deal without a lot of trouble. He has earned his payday give it to him, and move on.

Everybody is replaceable.

Of course they are, but who is that going to be? This to me is a no brainer simply pay him and move on. I don't know where you get a player that plays harder is less of a headache and a stud. He is a package deal and I love the guy. I pay him and turn him loose.

He's a top 3 RB ... so sure we can replace him. What we can't do is replace him with a RB of the same ability.

I want Chubb. Beyond that, it seems like the Browns would be deciding what they are buying and what they are buying into as far as vision and scheme. Why get by with less if it is reasonably priced product (if any NFL pricing is 'reasonable' in any sense). Choosing to settle for less on what is in house just not for me. Lock him up.

If it's reasonable then yes we should sign him. JMO

No he is not right Chubb is the best running back sense Leroy Kelley I will tell you how to pay for Chubb you draft a starting guard and get rid off the veteran lineman.

j/c

A lesser RB cuts down on what we have. A prolific running game. What this does is allow your opponents to place less focus on your running game and more on your passing game. A lesser RB places a negative impact on not only your running production, but your passing game as well.

It's a lose/lose proposition.

I have said that, but as usual, the usual suspects do their thing.

Chubb Ain't going anywhere !!!!!!

Why'nt you Go Root For the Steelers since you seem to hate the Browns so much!

Dude you have issues

Go back and read your gameday posts... smh...

j/c...

There is a 53 man roster, the Browns don't have to chose any 2, they can keep all 3.

Oh I see you have the whole catalog

That was just ill af.

Running backs are a dime a dozen? That is the silliest thing I have even heard. If running backs are so easy to find, why haven't we had one in DECADES? But hey, lets get rid of Chubb and Hunt and let Baker stand in the pocket and throw the ball 50+ times a game. That would work out just great. *snicker* Dime a dozen? lmmfao

True, but these guys don't WANT a prolific running game. They want Baker in the shotgun throwing the ball 50+ times every single game. They want some bum at running back that is "good enough" and by that they mean Baker can hand him the ball 5 or 6 times a game to "keep the defense honest". lol We FINALLY have a running game worthy of the Cleveland Browns and they can't WAIT to dismantle it and go back to the good old days when we go through 6 quarterbacks a season because they get beat to death throwing the ball every stinking down. They would have traded Jim Brown in his prime. Because ALL running backs are a "dime a dozen" *snicker* If they were Titans fans they would be eager to get rid of Derrick Henry. You know, another dime a dozen running back...

SIGN NICK CHUBB~!

The reality is they are a dime a dozen.

Chubb is near the special level, but every year new backs enter the league. Given a good line, which we have, finding others to run the ball isn't that hard.

They might not be as good, but good enough that I don't think it would be all that hard to replace most of the production.

I don't want to lose Chubb, but if we did, it wouldn't be the end of the world.

I see your argument "it's not the end of the world" but

if I agree to hold your argument, I must admit to myself,

26 years without a win in the playoffs is not the end of the world either.

If I'm OK with the first, I must be OK with the 2nd,

Problem is, I'm not OK with the 2nd.

The best post you have made in ages! 100% agree.

I'd only be willing to start down this path if Baker keeps taking significant steps forward in his development. Our offense, as it is now, largely relies on the threat of the run. If you start eroding that threat, I think you'll start seeing other portions of the offense falter.

I'm not going to argue that you can't certainly find a "serviceable RB" without a lot of difficulty. You certainly can. But how much emphasis does the opposing D have to focus an a "serviceable running game"?

We certainly also agree that there is a ceiling to what you can pay Chubb. Suffice to say what my ceiling is may be somewhat higher than yours but we both do have a ceiling.

The reason I feel my ceiling may be somewhat higher than yours is the fact that when your running game loses o prolific RB and replaces him with a dime a dozen RB, the opposing D can place less focus on your running game and more focus on your passing game. So once you lose a guy like Chubb, not only does your running game take a step back in production, but to at least some extent your passing game takes a step back too.

Chubb IS special, period.

Seems like when we Draft players we talk about wanting impact players and difference makers. We have one of those at RB - and he's top 3 in the NFL for me.... and instead of wanting to keep an impact player - we are suddenly talking about how "serviceable" is acceptable as a substitute. The conversation is all wrong.

I get that of all the skill positions - RB seems to be the easiest to fill. And I get that with Garrett, Baker, Ward, OBJ, Landry, Wills et al .... we will have to face some tough decisions on who and what we prioritize.... but please, let's not down play or diminish exactly how good Chubb is - what his attitude and mentality brings - and how he epitomizes what a Blue Collar, hard nosed physical player the City of Cleveland loves.

It is easy to find a "good" RB. Those are a dime a dozen. It is much harder to find a game changer like Chubb. I wonder if Tennessee would have been a playoff team with a "good" RB in place of Derrick Henry?

It's a concern when you drop great players for "good enough" ones .... at any position.

The years that the Vikings were contenders with AP, they would NOT have been contenders with anyone else at running back.

In reply to both you and Oob..

"Serviceable" isn't exactly what I am talking about. Maybe it is just me, but that sounds like barely good.

I am not talking about that. No doubt you need a good back.

All I am saying is we drafted Chubb in the 2nd round. I am glad we have him. I am also pretty confident we can draft some player who could be a solid replacement if it came to that.

Let's hope it doesn't, but if it does, it is what it is. I wouldn't sell the farm simply to keep him.

Anyone that thinks we can replace Chubb with any "Good Back" makes me wonder how football smart they really are ???

LOl


Go do a mock draft

In theory, you are absolutely correct, but first there has to be a guy there when we pick, and we aren't picking at the top of the rounds any longer, so we'd have to grab any replacement RB in the 1st. There haven't been all that many backs in the last twenty years that are as good as he is, so the chances are pretty slim we could get someone that would have us just as happy.

That said, unless Chubb gets grievously injured or demands some extortionate contract when we start talks, then I feel that this is all moo; there's little chance that we let Chubb out of Cleveland.
And, honestly, I don't think Chubb ever wants to leave Cleveland, and I don't think his next contract will be an issue at all, especially with the new TV deal money kicking in after next year.

Chubb. Period. Losing ground if not him. Play your best with your best.