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Art can rot in hell or where ever. Also, on a side note.. I am watching the Fantastic Four and Jessica Alba is really hot.. 
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While this is all good thought, Baltimore isn't totaly innocent. One would think that a city that got it's heart ripped out from their team sneaking away at night, wouldn't want to be party to stealing another citys team. However the Baltimorons in power chose to throw money and promises out there to steal a team. They didn't care who's team it was. Maybe if the fans would have made a stand like we did, or if they wouldn't have been fair weather fans, they would have been awarded a expansion team. The NFL didn't consider them during the expansion because they did nothing about their stadium problem after the exodis of the Colts. On the note of Art and the HOF,  Art was a lousy business man. Art didn't willfully sell his team, he was forced to sell through the agreement with the NFL, when the NFL ponied up a loan to keep his team afloat. He had an alloted time to pay back the loan, if it wasn't paid back he was required to sell at least 49% of the team. Guess what no takers. In steps Biscotti, he would buy 49% only if he was given the option of buying the majority shares within five years. Left with the options of Selling and getting top $ from Biscotti, or the NFL taking over the team and putting them on the market, Modell took the money, and his one Championship and ran. Biscotti didn't get rich by being stupid, even he knew a partnership with the Modells was like flushing money down the crapper.
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To be clear on my position on Art. I believe that he was an underqualified executive who started playing hardball with the city government, threatened to move if they didn't acquiese, then got put in the position to put up or shut up. Instead of making the smart move and backing down, he puffed his chest and ran for the money. Only Art Modell could buy a team for 10M? then proceed to lose money into unarguably one of the strongest fan bases. His ineptitude was striking. Does he belong in the Hall of Fame? Of course not. Do some of the others cited as examples belong such as Al Davis? Probably not. Two wrongs however do not make a right. When he moved the team he cast the dye. He will never enter the Hall of Fame during his lifetime and it would be a mistake if he gets in posthumusley. I don't however wish him to rot in hell. All people make mistakes. I've been trying to think of a comparison to make my thoughts more cogent. The only really bad example would be. You can't kill your wife and expect to get into the Husband Hall of Fame. Art Modell = Shameful 
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He should be the first inducted into the NFL's Hall of SHAME.
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I emailed the Editor of that rag,,,, here's what I said: Quote:
WOW,, talk about misrepresenting all the facts.. Mr. Heller should be made to do research before he writes any story again. The man has so many errors it isn't funny.. I'll point out only one.
Modell had a packed house here in Cleveland no matter how good or bad the team was. He sold out 80,000+ seats every home game.. And he couldn't make ends meet.. it wasn't because of the fans, stadium or anything other than Modell was a BAD businessman..
But Mr. Heller hasn't figured that out yet or he's just pandering to the locals with this story.
It's a shame Mr. Heller couldn't take the time to get ALL the facts before writing this fluff piece on a CROOK!
Sincerely
A Loyal Browns Fan from NE Ohio
Of course, I gave them my name and email address as well,, let's see what they say about it.... I'll post it if they respond.
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Nice fluff job Mike.You can say all you want as to how wrong Art was for moving the team,and yet you're a fan of that same team? Please. Your nose is very much up his backside just like Worldchamps and Rainmaker,who are also Raven fans in case you didn't know. Mr. "I Had No Choice" has a very warm spot waiting for him in Hell, you can be sure of that.
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I thought he kicked the bucket...that's the only way I'd cheer for him.
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Is it really that time of year again??
Man, time flies..... it's the Annual Art Modell Football Hall of Fame Posturing Article.
Every year everything else is played up a little more and The Move and everything about it is skewed and downplayed a little bit more. It's like he and the media are doing it annually to feel out public backlash.... like an enemy probing your defenses.
Browns is the Browns
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Nearly 1,000 fans paid tribute to Art Modell this week in Cockeysville, Md., and the only one who didn't think the former owner of the Cleveland Browns and Baltimore Ravens belongs in the Pro Football Hall of Fame was ... Art Modell.
...At least Art got this one right.
SCUMBAGS SHOULD NOT BE ENSHRINED.....There's GOT to be higher standards for the HOF....Not only should football acomplishments be considered but there should be character requirements as well.
Do we really want someone recognized as one of the greatest if when off the field they were a disgrace??
..Arts unmoralistic approach to the game will be what's remembered of him.
While your at it ,...you can take O.J.'s bust and melt it down too.
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it's unfortunate that the actions of others can create such "hate and animosity" towards those who have hurt us in a way that the only way that we can "vent" our frustrations is through the damning of the cities and it's inhabitants who are truly without blame in this unfortunate business called football
Mike,, you have what is called "Selective Memory"... You are forgetting that the politicians from your area in Baltimore,, meaning your Governor at the time (glendening I think) and a host of others conspired to steal a team from anyone.. it just happened to be the Browns.
You say it's unfair to hold a grudge against innocent citizens... My friend,, did not those same innocent citizens ELECT guys like Glendening to office....
Do they work for you or do you work for them. If you didn't like them STEALING another cities team, then you should have spoken out... Well, Guess what. The Innocent Citizens of Baltimore and the state of Maryland did speak out,,
They Cheered Art Modell as he stood on a stage at the podium in a parking lot in Baltimore and announced that he was moving the Browns to thier city..
So, if you want to talk about those that didn't have anything to do with the move,,,, you and your city are NOT among them..
This is the wrong board for you to do what this idiot writer did,,, Don't come here to distort the facts.. it's not gonna work...you will get cut to pieces,,,as you should for those kind of remarks..
One would think that if you go through a great pain and loss as Baltimore did in the mid 80's that they would NEVER agree to be part of inflicting that same pain on some other city,,,,,, You would think that the people of your area would be smarter than that..
They aren't... thus the reason they are referred to as Baltimorons! The name fits!
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If you cant say anything nice dont say it at all......So with that I will exit this thread, never to return 
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"Forgive us of our trespass as we forgive those who trespass against us."
I forgive him for moving the team.
He can be inducted into the HoF posthumously. 
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I feel no obligation or need to forgive anyone who is not sorry for something they have done.
Screw off Art.
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On that note, I won't be back here also..... For those of you to whom I have considered a friend, nice knowing you.....
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Oh, come on Mike, don't be like that. Certainly you understand the emotion of Browns fans when it comes to this. You are good guy, don't leave us over this kind of nonsense.
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If he leaves, can we blame it on Art Modell?
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On that note, I won't be back here also..... For those of you to whom I have considered a friend, nice knowing you.....
Mike, what the heck do you expect when you throw out that "don't blame us common men" crap.... You and the rest of the "common men and women" in Maryland and Baltimore elected common crooks,, and then you want a pass on it... Give me a break,,
Sorry,, They STOLE our team... That's what they did, The STOLE the Browns from us,, and you "innocent" citizens stood by and not only did you let them do it, you applauded it.
You want forgivness,, ask someone else,, cause you ain't getting it from me!
If you want to leave this board, That's your decision, but I wish you nothing but good things,, Good bye!
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Common Mike, What do you expect from us, Art not only moved our team, he took our memories, and parts of our childhood, Art took our beloved Browns away from us for 4 years, Art took a piece of each and evey one of us with him that day, Art killed a love we had known for countless years, he took more than a bunch of players, and we had to fight to keep the name colors history with us.
Just put yourself in our shoes for a minute, if someplace like Buffalo or St.Petersburgh took the Orioles way from camdon yards, it's heart breaking.
Mike your a good guy one thats welcome here whenever, but dont make try to make us accept something or forgive someone who ripped our hearts out and stole part of our childhood, that my friend will never happen.
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Mike, you and I have hashed this out long ago. Please do not leave over this. You will have to admit that you are the exception to the rule. You are a class guy. You are someone I consider a friend (and the only Ravens fan I would ever consider that). It's not people like you that is drawing such anger. It is the Modell's, the politicians (I like Daman, but you can't be blamed for what elected officials did, you couldn't stop it), ESPN when they have "reports" about how pained Colts fans in Baltimore were when Indy went to the Super Bowl (while wearing Ravens gear!), and "fans" like McAndre. Those people fuel the fire by continuously throwing salt in a wound.
Don't leave here. I enjoy your wit, your insights, and your class.
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On that note, I won't be back here also..... For those of you to whom I have considered a friend, nice knowing you.....
Your skins thicker than that. Get your ass back here 
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Mike,, I want to apologize to you,,, when I referred to you as in, you elected these officials,, I really wasn't meaning that it was all your (as in mikes) fault. I was refering to folks from Maryland in general,,,
You are a good guy,, and I know this. Please accept my apology for including you in with the rest of baltimore,,,, and maryland!
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 Art Modell is da debil!
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Mike, what the heck do you expect when you throw out that "don't blame us common men" crap.... You and the rest of the "common men and women" in Maryland and Baltimore elected common crooks,, and then you want a pass on it... Give me a break,,
Sorry,, They STOLE our team... That's what they did, The STOLE the Browns from us,, and you "innocent" citizens stood by and not only did you let them do it, you applauded it.
Ok, step back just a second from the emotion and remember that a football team, at it's core, is a business. It's community association is greater than that of other businesses, but in the end, it's a business....
Now consider if Toyota was going to shut down a plant in Alabama and move it to the economically starved area of Northern Ohio because of tax incentives and other perks provided by the Ohio government, would you beg them not to? Would you say, no no.. this is going to devestate some small towns and a mid-size city in Alabama to relocate those 2500 jobs up here so let's not do it.... our politicians are crooks for even trying and all of you Ohioans which will get jobs and have the economy of your towns boosted because of this are no better than the politicians....
No, I seriously doubt that's what anybody in northern Ohio would be saying...
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Nice try but the Browns are not a car. You (or at least I) simply cannot be rational about this issue. I have a bad kind of hate for Modell and Baltimore.
Mike seems like a nice guy and has football knowledge, but if he can't understand why I (we, some of us) consider them thieves, well, then he can't. I have a hard time talking to Balitmore fans. (really). See rationally I know they are most likely good people. They have families, pay taxes. Ya know what??? I still have a hard time talking football with them. They would have been more than happy to be rooting for the Baltimore Browns, and only lawsuits stopped that. I
This is strange but in the airport flying back from my week of football and baseball in NE Ohio I was talking to a steelers fan at the bar. We gave each other some smack , but it was muted from what it used to be. I blame Baltimore and Modell for that too. He even managed to ruin the best pro football rivalry!! Now I simply loathe, hate, can not stand baltimore in a way that isn't close to my feeling for the Steelers. Them I hate but respect.
Balitmore I simply hate.
I even wish they would move Balitmore to another division so I wouldn't get that feeling in the pit of my stomache twice a year. I don't like feeling like I do about Baltimore. Art should have to pay for some counseling for me.
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Ok, step back just a second from the emotion and remember that a football team, at it's core, is a business. It's community association is greater than that of other businesses, but in the end, it's a business....
What is it DC,, do you think I just fell off a turnup truck or something.. Of course I understand its a business..
But I'm allowed to hate modell for taking that "business" away if I want to..
Also, what I was responding to Mike about was the apparent feeling that we take our anger out on the people of Baltimore and the State of Maryland.. Mike indicated that they weren't to blame.. I say they are for electing idiots like Glenndening in the first place...
And Applauding for Modell as he's ripping the very heart of another City out... Just like thiers was ripped out many years before..
Don't ever think that I don't understand it's a business... but don't expect me to ever think kindly of a man that made himself a millionaire 75 times over. (his estimated net worth at the time he moved the Browns was 75 million and his estimated net worth when he bought them was 75,000.. Huge difference)
Don't ever think that I'm going to understand how a man could have a built in, loyal fan base that extends to virtually all parts of the world, a man that had 80,000 seats filled each and everey Sunday during home games for virtually every year he owned the team.. Don't think for one second I will forgive him,,, NOPE,, Not gonna happen.
He moved his business and that's fine... but don't lie about it on the way out. He wanted to blame everyting on the City and the City Leaders... they share in the blame,, but the biggest problem was,, ART was Greedy.. He wanted that stadium,, he wanted to run it, he thought he could make a killing on it and he was wrong.. he screwed up.
Art didn't have to move the team,,, he could have just sold it to someone else... Perhaps even Al Lerner who already owned a percentage of the team anyway.
I'm getting off my soap box now,, clearly this is an emotional issue for me and I'm not doing anyone any good..
One last parting shot,, I will never accept Art Modell into the HOF.. He doesn't deserve it...
Purp is right, this article is this years attempt to test the water for a push to get Modell into the hall of fame... As long as I'm breathing, I'd always do my part to raise the roof against it ever happening.... EVER!
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Forget all the details and emotion of Art stealing our team. It boils down to this in my mind. No one put a gun to his head and said that he has to move the team. He made the decision. You may argue that he had to because of the financial difficulties he had but he could have sold the franchise to, say, Al Lerner while keeping a minority stake and the team would have never left Cleveland. We would have eventually got a new stadium and there's a decent chance that we'd have a Lombardi trophy on display in Berea. Now, again, one might come back with the fact that he found a way to not sell his team and deal with his financial problems by moving the team. I'd point out, however, that he ended up selling the team anyway. In the end he still couldn't even keep control of the team. Couple that with the worst decision in the history of the NFL and there is no way that this man deserves any type of accolades.
Instead of selling the team to someone who would have kept the team here, eventually getting a new stadium, and punching his ticket to Canton he stabbed Cleveland in the back, stole one of the 5 greatest franchises in the league's history from one of the most (if not the most) passionate fan bases in the league, and ended up selling the team anyway. I will never feel any remorse for him. He made his bed and now he has to sleep in it. Most of you on here grew up with the Browns during your childhood. Whether it was Paul Brown's teams, the Kardiac Kids, or Bernie you had something. I was 9 when the team moved, 12 when they came back, and now I'm 20 and I haven't really seen anything that resembles the true Cleveland Browns.
I'll never forget what he did. I'll certainly never forgive him. He did what he did and he has to live with the consequences.
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But I'm allowed to hate modell for taking that "business" away if I want to..
Few people hate Art Modell any more than me. You spend more than half your post asking me if I think you should forgive and/or forget what Art did... no, you shouldn't. He's pond scum...
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I'm not sure somebody from Ohio has a lot of room to be calling other states elected officials "idiots"... 
Are you prepared to be held responsible for all of the things Ohio politicians have done and are doing? Did you know everything they were going to do when you elected them?
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On that note, I won't be back here also..... For those of you to whom I have considered a friend, nice knowing you.....
See ya...now go shine your Uncle Art's shoes. 
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"...Are you prepared to be held responsible for all of the things Ohio politicians have done and are doing? Did you know everything they were going to do when you elected them? "
Of course not...but I would not be part of the group WHO THEN CHEERED THEIR ACTIONS...would you???
Remember folks we ARE ALL FANS... we are all fanatics to one degree or another and because this is a LOCAL SPORTS TEAM we cannot be objective over a subjective issue like team sports.
Modell made millions here...he spent and remade millions here...he gave away millions and finally he sold us out.
Those of you who say this WAS JUST BUSINESS...NOTHING PERSONAL...IS either an unemotional person and therefore not a fan of the Brown's or a deceiver of himself and others.
Go to Hell,Mr Art! I'm sure some of us will run in to you there...Hell it may be worth the trip!
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Hate Art all you want, I know I do.... I guess I just don't hold as much anymosity for the people of Baltimore as some do over it.
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You spend more than half your post asking me if I think you should forgive and/or forget what Art did... no, you shouldn't. He's pond scum...
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I'm not sure somebody from Ohio has a lot of room to be calling other states elected officials "idiots"...
the point is that we elect people,, when they go against all that you find honest and truthful,, you vote them out of office.... and you fight to correct the situation they caused..
I don't remember ONE rally to have the then Govenor impeached,, do you..
I don't remember ONE rally against Stealing the Browns,,, do you?
I don't remember ONE time when any large group of individuals From Maryland banded together to try and stop the State of Maryland and the City of Baltimore from Stealing the Browns... DO YOU?
People in Baltimore CHEERED when it was announced... Sorry DC,, your not going to get me to back down on this..
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Buying a franchise isn't dishonest or untruthful... Art had his franchise and his loyalty for sale and they bought it. Which brings me right back to why I hate him but not so much them...
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We can't get politicians impeached who do REAL things wrong.... and you think one is going to get impeachment proceedings started over improving the biggest city in his state?
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Not really, but I do remember a lot of sympathy from Marylanders... A lot of people from that state didn't feel good about it at all.... How do I know? I was born and raised in Maryland and lived in Maryland at the time...... but nobody was even close to the point of rallying or starting impeachment proceedings....
And you call it stealing, I still call it buying.... just like in my previous post, if Ohio "bought" the rights to build a Toyota plant and it shut one down in Alabama.... The people of Alabama would have every right to hate Toyota, but they have no right to hate the people of Ohio.....
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Sorry DC,, your not going to get me to back down on this..
I never really expected to... in fact I've been to a couple Browns games in Baltimore and the hatred they have for the Browns and Browns fans still amazes me... I've been treated as badly there as any stadium I've ever been to, and one thought keeps running through my mind... "What reason do you have to hate Browns fans?" I still can't think of one....
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And you call it stealing, I still call it buying
A rose by any other name,,, I still think they stole the franchise... But I will concede, they couldn't have done it unless Modell left the key in the door...
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But I will concede, they couldn't have done it unless Modell left the key in the door...
Left the keys in the door? Hell, he left the door wide open with a sign saying "Take me, I'm yours"
(and yes, I meant that as a double entendre, he's a money ho and he followed the money)
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#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
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You spend more than half your post asking me if I think you should forgive and/or forget what Art did... no, you shouldn't. He's pond scum...
We totally agree on that one man,,, TOTALLY! Darn near peed my pants when I read that
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I'm not sure somebody from Ohio has a lot of room to be calling other states elected officials "idiots"...
the point is that we elect people,, when they go against all that you find honest and truthful,, you vote them out of office.... and you fight to correct the situation they caused..
I don't remember ONE rally to have the then Govenor impeached,, do you..
I don't remember ONE rally against Stealing the Browns,,, do you?
I don't remember ONE time when any large group of individuals From Maryland banded together to try and stop the State of Maryland and the City of Baltimore from Stealing the Browns... DO YOU?
People in Baltimore CHEERED when it was announced... Sorry DC,, your not going to get me to back down on this..
Daman,
I want you to know that I have a great amount of respect of your opinions on this issue as well as everyone else who has been affected by this matter, and you don't have to apoligize to me, I thought that my attempt to show that the FEW people in Md. as DC stated did have feelings and were against the move, however; you would never see it in the liberal media of that day..Glendening was a clown from the beginning and all he did was secure the governorship for another term..
GM, my skin is thicker than that and just to let you know, I went to the Joel Osteen service held today and came out with a different perspective on the people I consider friends to include everyone here (Clay,Jules, Oohrah,etc) except Molly,but I will pray for his soul if he still has one...Coach, I thought about what you wrote also and I thank you for words of encouragement. I REALLY thought my "attempt at an apology" would have shown that at least I thought this whole thing was wrong but I guess that since I am from Baltimore, it doesn't matter. I will say that my posts will be limited now and as for the "children" on here who don't have anything respectful to say to me, well just be lucky you still live at home with your parents, you know who you are....
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I hate to see you leave mike, but I understand... it's your call and I respect that..
But one last parting thought,, put yourself in my shoes and the shoes of any Browns fan that was around for years prior to the move..
Someone,,, anyone, no matter where they live comes in and says that generally, the citizens of the area down there are innocent... First thought is,,, yeah,, right.. But if you think about it,, the guy selling hotdogs on the street near Camden yards didn't have a thing to do with getting the Browns... He had not one thing to do with the theft as I like to refer to it..
Neither did the guy working in the harbor area and the ESPN Sports Zone.. or the lady that makes drinks at the Sheraton 4 Points hotel a few miles south of town...
They didn't call up Art Modell and say,, Yo,, Art,,, come to Baltimore and we'll bail you out man.... It didn't happen that way and I know that..
What fries my cookies is the manner in which many residents of that area suddenly were making excuses for thier cheering and smiling and celebrating after it was announced.. The most common statement I heard was.... Well,, it happened to us, so I guess it's fair that it happened to someone else.
WOW,,, I used to go to Baltimore often. I had an office down there and was there about twice a month about the time the Browns moved..... then I changed jobs,, didn't have an office there for several years... wouldn't you know it,, somehow, I ended up with the Baltimore office again with the new job..
SO,, I was there when the move occured,,, away for a couple of years, then back to visiting....and you know what.. the Baltimore fans did something I never thought they would do.....
They GOT WORSE.... Yup,, whenever the subject of the Browns came up in conversation,,, suddenly I was the interloper...... I was the bad guy,, I was the guy that let his team get away....
Well,,, now you know the rest of the story and why I feel the way I do.. I had to suffer the indignity of being harrased by the thives that stole from me,, can you imagine that?
So, again, if I misread you, I'm sorry,,, Try to take into account where I've been and what I've seen,,, maybe that will help you understand my strong stance on the subject.
#GMSTRONG
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Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
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Lol, dude you seem like a good guy, but to come on a BROWNS website as a ravens fan and call some poster children who live at home or whaterver makes me laugh. Expecially when the thread is about Modell. If you don't understand why Brownsfans don't like Modell, Balitmore and the Raven's well there is nothing to say. If you DO understand then there is nothing to say. Unless you are really touchy I didn't read anyone attack YOU personally. I didn't see one "I hate MIKE the ravan's fan" . I'll be honest and say I don't like ravens fans in general, but like I said when I started you seem ok. If I was you, I would avoid talking about Modell and the ravens and talk football. Just a thought! Have a nice day!! (holy cow I can be nice to a baltimore person!) 
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