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I remember that the trades were combined, but I couldn't remember which was the original price for Vernon. Thank you for clarifying (OBJ trade was for a 1st rounder and Peppers, IIRC).
Regardless, the acquisition price for Vernon and Clowney is going to be very very different.
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He is way better than Vernon was, and nobody complained about that. Is he? Sincere question. I thought Vernon was going to be our cheat code for the D lined up opposite Garrett. Pretty sure Dorsey thought the same thing as he traded a blooming Peppers (or was it our All-Pro guard? Either way...). Clowney is being brought in late in FA on what we're assuming is going to be a cheap 1-year deal. Obviously it is all opinion here.
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I'm finally here! I've made it to the party and brought some chips. Has Clowney bought his house in Cleveland yet? I'm ready for him to go for broke and wreck this league Manziel style. 
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I am willing to risk it. Welcome the depth and his ability. ANYBODY should look great paired with MG! Watch this space! 
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Hopefully, he doesn't miss his flight again.
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j/c...
This would be an amazing signing. Clowney is a stud. We would be able to keep all our DE's fresh with a rotation keeping Garrett out there with most the reps but keeping him fresh so that he can play 99% of the reps come Playoffs.
Tak, Clowney and an Impact edge rusher from the draft is just fine. And on passing downs who knows maybe all 4 go out to the DL???
That signing would put our D in the bracket of Championship caliber and a top 5 D
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Hopefully, he doesn't miss his flight again. Is that what happened or is that just a guess?
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Cool, just wondering. I wasn't saying that as some sort of challenge. Maybe he did miss the plane.
I guess it doesn't really matter. He should be here tomorrow.
I would like to see some sort of incentives in the contract to have him Berea at least a reasonable amount of time for workouts, etc. Assuming they can even do that at this point. I am not sure where all of that stands.
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What I found amusing was Josina Anderson's phrasing "There's hope to finalize a new booking soon ...", as if booking a flight to Cleveland was something akin to splitting the atom.
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Maybe other cities with NFL teams don't want good players coming to Cleveland so they're sabotaging the planes? 
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Not sure he's worth it.
Is there anything left in the tank?
Whatever he has left in the tank is better than whatever else we have to put out there, so I think it's definitely worth it. He is an upgrade on Takk, he is far and away better than any other DE we have on the roster. He makes the team better. You have no idea how much I hope you are right
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The Browns have retained their entire starting offense, and will also get OBJ back.
On defense, they ad Takk, Clowney, Walker, Hill, JJIII, Jackson, and will add Billings back from self-quarantine last year, and maybe this will be the year that Greedy studs out(?).
Oh, and we have 9 draft picks, including 4 in the 1st 3 rounds.
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Right now we are a better team "on paper" than we ended last year.
on paper... not on the field.
We still have room to improve with the draft.
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The Browns have retained their entire starting offense, and will also get OBJ back.
On defense, they ad Takk, Clowney, Walker, Hill, JJIII, Jackson, and will add Billings back from self-quarantine last year, and maybe this will be the year that Greedy studs out(?).
Oh, and we have 9 draft picks, including 4 in the 1st 3 rounds. Don't forget Delpit 
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The Browns have retained their entire starting offense, and will also get OBJ back.
On defense, they ad Takk, Clowney, Walker, Hill, JJIII, Jackson, and will add Billings back from self-quarantine last year, and maybe this will be the year that Greedy studs out(?).
Oh, and we have 9 draft picks, including 4 in the 1st 3 rounds. Don't forget Delpit 
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Cleveland adds Clowney, John Johnson, Troy Hill, Malik Jackson, Tak McKinley at less than $15M of 2021 cap https://twitter.com/spotrac/status/1382664483156463616
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He's a good sport about it.
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I think many are sleeping on Carlson. I think he can be a pretty solid TE.
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What the Browns signing Jadeveon Clowney teaches us about Andrew BerryBy Dan Labbe, cleveland.com CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Believe it or not, Andrew Berry is still pretty new at this GM thing. He’s done a lot of work, first solidifying the offense last offseason and then beefing up the defense this spring. Every move is an opportunity to learn something new about the team’s top personnel man. Here’s what we learned about him after signing Jadeveon Clowney. He’s persistentBerry attempted to acquire defensive end Takk McKinley four times last year -- once via trade and three other times via waivers. After missing on all four, as McKinley put it, the fifth time was the charm. Now, a year after aggressively pursuing Clowney, the Browns landed him, too. “I got that same feeling [of relentlessness] he has for me for him,” Clowney said on Wednesday. “That is why I said, ‘This dude is very relentless.’” Berry is strong in his convictions when he believes a player can help his team, as these two particular signings show. He’s smart with his moneyThis isn’t a surprise considering Paul DePodesta plays a huge role in the operation, but this isn’t Moneyball. Instead, it’s a smart allocation of resources. The Browns already have their high-priced edge rusher in Myles Garrett, who earned a 5-year, $125 million extension last summer. While some of us -- OK, me -- advocated for paying another top edge rusher, it became apparent early on the likes of Trey Hendrickson and Carl Lawson were simply too expensive. Sure, the Browns have cap space, but even they are feeling the pinch of a pandemic-squeezed cap and have to be smart with how much they tie up in various positions. So they did the next best thing: signed McKinley on a flyer and Clowney on ... well, kind of another flyer. McKinley’s deal is at $4.25 million with incentives that could raise it to $6 million. Clowney’s is $8 million with incentives to raise it to $10 million. Hendrickson signed a 4-year, $60 million deal with the Bengals while Lawson inked for three years and $45 million with the Jets. It’s not just the cost of those contracts, but the commitment beyond 2020. The Browns added two edge rushers for about the same price and on one-year deals, providing them with flexibility. They also still have the chance to add an edge rusher early in the draft. (Yes, I still have Payton Turner from Houston circled in the second round.) It’s an efficient -- not cheap -- way to spend some money. He recognizes the windowThe roster is still talented and relatively cheap. Their quarterback is on his cost-controlled rookie deal, as is their top cornerback, while Garrett’s extension hasn’t really hit yet. According to overthecap.com, Garrett carries a cap hit of just over $9.3 million this year and a shade under $13 million next year before the number balloons to around $30 million. This is the window of contention for a young team. There are phases to roster-building, and this is one of them -- cost-controlled talent on rookie deals freeing up bigger dollars to spend elsewhere. Eventually, Mayfield will make starting quarterback money and Ward will make big dollars and other players at premium positions, like Jedrick Wills, will come up for new contracts. Then the roster math changes and the talent becomes top heavy and you have to really supplement with draft picks. Berry has built a contender while giving himself the flexibility to add long-term, affordable options in the draft. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/04...drew-berry.html
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