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I guess I need to come around to the fact you are simply trolling and everything you write is satire. No-one could really be that clueless.

There is proof that the Nov 3 Election was safe and devoid of "mass voter fraud" - it has been proven by GOP led states, and by Trump's own man/men. It's been proven across the states and courts of the Land. Period. Fact.

The recent systematic attempt by the GOP to make Voting harder for one segment of society is also a proven - trackable - event/fact based history. From removing Voting locations in TX, to a drive to change election laws like we currently see in GA.

Both things are fact, not Opinion based.

As for the Communist Comment. That's Peen's new buzz word to try to rile up the posters and tickle them in the ribs. I threw that back at him because on a couple issues recently he is certainly promoting a few contrary to free will and American values.

You take THROW 40 seriously?
Come on man.

Lately most of his posts seem like randomly generated sentences that seldom have relevance to each other, or a topic in general.

I've gotten headaches trying to read some of them, that I just skip his most of his posts if the first sentence makes me cross my eyes.

Didn't take him seriously but thought he might have been brain washed and believe what he posted. He's more likely a Russian Bot than serious poster at this point. Although a Bot would probably be programmed to make more sense ... so .... Hmmmmmm.

Will Joe Biden's Jim Crow lie Boomerang?
Michael Barone 22 hrs ago

The big lie works — until it doesn’t.


The lie in this case is President Biden’s charge that the changes in Georgia election law passed by the majority-Republican legislature and signed by Republican Governor Brian Kemp on April 1 are “Jim Crow on steroids.” This was doubling down on his March 25 press conference statement that the law “makes Jim Crow look like Jim Eagle.”

This isn’t the first time Biden has charged Republicans with over-the-top manifestations of racism of the sort that haven't been common in decades or even centuries. During the 2012 campaign, he told a predominantly black audience that Mitt Romney “wants to put y’all back in chains.”

That, of course, was wrong, and so was Biden’s claim that the Georgia law closed off voting after 5:00pm. Even Washington Post fact-checker Glenn Kessler awarded Biden the maximum four Pinocchios.

That didn’t stop Atlanta-based CEOs from gratuitously adding their ignorant voices to the chorus, including Delta Airlines’s Ed Bastian (total 2019 pay: $17 million) and Coca-Cola’s Britain-born James Quincey (total 2019 pay: $18 million).

Piling on was Major League Baseball CEO Rob Manfred (total 2019 pay: $11 million), prompted perhaps by Biden’s statement that he would “strongly encourage” moving this summer’s All-Star Game out of Atlanta, who did just that.

Never mind that the Georgia law authorizes 17 days of no-excuse-needed early voting -- exactly 17 more days than provided in Joe Biden’s Delaware or Major League Baseball’s home state of New York.

Never mind also that, as Georgia Public Radio’s Stephen Fowler pointed out, some provisions of the Georgia law increase voter ballot access. And ignore the mixed-verdict analysis of Slate’s Will Saletan, and the obvious reasons for some provisions he calls “bad stuff,” like later mailing of absentee ballots (previously starting in May) and shorter runoffs (the last ones pushed the campaign past the Christmas holidays).

Put aside the New York Times’s Upshot writer Nate Cohn, who concludes that the changes in the Georgia law are “unlikely to significantly alter turnout or Democratic chances” and adds they might increase turnout.

Pause instead and ponder just what you’re talking about when you’re talking about “Jim Crow.” Carl Cannon, a reporter’s reporter, provides a useful guide.

“’Jim Crow,’ originally a minstrel act before the Civil War, came to mean a series of laws and customs that took root in the Deep South during Reconstruction,” Cannon explains. “The civil rights movement was about dismantling them.” Jim Crow was enforced by state and local laws and by force — "at the point of a gun or the end of a rope by armed white mobs.” And by lynching after lynching, as Cannon describes in horrifying detail.

To say that anyone in public life wishes to bring back Jim Crow is a despicable lie. It’s a libel against the American people.

One of the great achievements of this country was dismantling and repudiation of the system of legally and violently enforced racial segregation and subjugation. It was the achievement first of black Americans, famous and obscure, who risked, and in some cases gave their lives to protest peacefully. This cause came to be embraced by a supermajority of Americans of all backgrounds and characteristics.

To declare that provisions like requiring voters to show picture identification and limiting no-excuse early voting to 17 days amount to a return to Jim Crow is disgraceful, whether you’re the president or you're $46 million worth of CEOs.

It’s also not clear it’s politically helpful. A Morning Consult poll shows 42% to 36% approval of the Georgia law. A CNN poll shows approval on Joe Biden’s “handling racial injustice” standing at just 47%, below his overall job rating.

Democrat Stacey Abrams started the attacks on Georgia election law as “voter suppression” by charging that she actually won the 2018 governor election (she lost by 54,723 votes). Hillary Clinton and other Democrats collaborated in her charade. Actually, 2018 turnout was up 54% from the previous governor election, and up 93% from 2002. Now, Abrams finds herself on the defensive over Atlanta losing the All-Star Game.

Much like Abrams, Donald Trump complained that outright fraud and election law changes to accommodate increased absentee deprived him of Georgia’s 16 electoral votes last November (he lost by 11,779 votes). The Jan. 6 rioters collaborated in this charade. Actually, 2020 Georgia turnout was up 21% from 2016 and 93% from 2000. Trump’s protests hurt his ratings and denied him deserved credit for Operation Warp Speed’s vaccines.

Now Biden is charging that Americans want to return to Jim Crow. He is giving ammunition to adversaries like the Chinese, who berated his secretary of state and national security adviser in Anchorage last month for America's race problems.

Only a lie can boomerang. The truth does not. Only lately has the truth been tried to be twisted into lies. And you certainly have been a promoter of that just as you are here.

You forgot the link.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/will-joe-bidens-jim-crow-lie-boomerang

Lacking substance at all levels. An opinion piece.

What's laughable - he quotes "42-36%" approval rating as being a good thing and showing support.... then uses a much HIGHER number of 47% to suggest a lack of support for Biden. I'd say that sums this guys "Opinion" up in a nut shell.

Haha, yep!

"Please continue donating money to politicians you believe stand up for your principles. Don't ever talk about what your principles are, though."

Personally I don't know why people are upset with this at all. It's not demanding to ask for an ID and make it mandatory to vote. People should have no issue identifying themselves. The only people who are scared to identify are those who are worried about something they're hiding.

I need to identify myself when I buy a firearm even though I disagree with it, seeing as its a constitutional right I believe I shouldn't have to give ID or go through a background check but yeah, here we are.

Daman, with all due respect, both political parties have no idea the needs of the voting public.

GM, Ford leaders join in voicing opposition to voting restrictions

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch...ng-restrictions

Conservatives are about to have a problem with all the companies they are boycotting. Seems like a very long list.

"Honey, for our trip, we have to make sure that we fly United, rent a Chrysler, and only go to restaurants that have Pepsi, before watching Badminton, while avoiding all reruns of The Fresh Prince."

It's not all that hard.

It was meant more to be funny.

I know. I laughed when I read it.

That's exactly what people say when they conform their life around the beliefs of a cult.

"It's not that hard."

How do you know?

He doesnt. Its hyperbole.

Makes sense. There seems to be a lot of cult followers around here.

All one has to do is watch a few documentaries regarding cults. Or they could just say they don't really care about things like that and ignore it.

I kinda have to wonder, how many folks on here understand that there has been no proven significant voter fraud detected... Yup, a few things here or there, but nothing that would have trump to come out on top....

Further, I wonder how many realize that the reason for all these new voter rights laws is because of perceived significant voter Fraud that simply doesn't exist

Trump and his minions say there was fraud, with no proof, those that can't figure it out on their own believe and follow...

It's a little scary if you ask me.

Poll finds 65% of Republicans say they don’t believe Biden’s election was legitimate

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/poll-f...ate-01612570478

Facts no longer matter. We now live in a world dictated by feelings. The fact the election wasn't stolen takes a back seat to the feeling it was. Murica!

Cancel Culture at it's absolute finest ! Don't like the result - lie, lie and lie some more. Obfuscate and spread misinformation. Have people continue plausible deniability.

That article was written in the first week of February. My memory could be wrong, but I'm not sure full-blown failure of the legal challenges to the election had materialized by then.

65% is a big number, and while some Republicans can't stop making fools of themselves I have a hard time believing the stupidity is that widespread.

This is from April 5th so it may have gone down some.

More Than Half Of Republicans Believe Voter Fraud Claims And Most Still Support Trump, Poll Finds

A majority of Republicans still believe the baseless claim that the presidential election was “stolen” from President Donald Trump and approximately half believe his spin on the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol building, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll found, showing Trump’s continued influence on the party and how the ex-president’s falsehoods about the election and its aftermath have taken hold among his supporters.

Half of Republicans believe the Jan. 6 siege was “largely a non-violent protest” or done by left-wing activists “trying to make Trump look bad,” the poll found.

Only three in 10 Republicans blame Trump for the attack.

Most respondents overall—59%—blame Trump for the attack, and 80% of Democrats and 60% of Independents do not believe the Jan. 6 events were nonviolent or staged by the left.

While 60% of Americans overall believe President Joe Biden fairly won the presidential election, 60% of Republicans instead believe Trump’s claims that Biden’s win was due to widespread voter fraud despite a lack of credible evidence.

Trump continues to have a strong hold on the GOP: 80% of Republicans have a positive view of the former president, and six in 10 believe he should run for president again in 2024.

The poll was conducted among 1,005 U.S. adults between March 30-31—days after Trump defended the Capitol rioters during a Fox News interview on March 25 and said they posed “zero threat” and “love our country.”

“Republicans have their own version of reality,” John Geer, a public opinion expert at Vanderbilt University, told Reuters. “It is a huge problem. Democracy requires accountability and accountability requires evidence.”

The Republican National Committee said in a comment to Reuters the party condemns the violence on Jan. 6 and referred to a January statement by chairwoman Ronna McDaniel. “Those who partook in the assault on our nation’s Capitol and those who continue to threaten violence should be found, held accountable, and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,” McDaniel said.

Trump and his allies have been pushing voter fraud claims since the election and tried to overturn the election results in court, and his efforts ultimately culminated in the Capitol attack on the day Congress approved the election results. There is a lack of credible evidence to back up the voter fraud claims and multiple court rulings and election audits have disproved the allegations, and Trump was impeached but not convicted for his role in the attack. The poll’s support for Trump comes as the GOP has been reckoning with the controversial former president: a number of Republicans have come out against the president and voted for his impeachment or conviction, including Sen. Mitt Romney (R-Utah) and Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.), but have faced censures and other consequences from the party for doing so. The divide within the GOP has also sparked calls for factions to form their own third parties.

Republicans’ support for Trump’s voter fraud claims has actually gone down from when similar polls were conducted over the past few months. A February Quinnipiac University poll found 76% of Republicans believed the voter fraud claims, after a December poll from the same group found 77% support. A February poll from the R Street Institute showed 67% of Republicans believed the election was invalid.

Trump’s voter fraud claims and the support for them on the right has led to a new push by GOP state lawmakers to impose new voting restrictions nationwide—a Brennan Center for Justice analysis found 361 such bills have been introduced in 47 states as of March 24—though Democrats in Congress are pushing a new voting rights bill, H.R. 1, that would nullify many of the restrictions if it passes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurke...sh=48d03de51b3f

Yeesh...

Saw a funny meme on facebook the other day..

Basically, if you stop someone from voting, why should they pay taxes?

Taxation without representation kinda thing.... LOL

One, I don't think anybody is stopping anyone from voting. It may become a bit more difficult, like going to the polling place or dropping a mail-in vote in a controlled, designated spot.

You are also assuming that everyone who votes pays taxes other than consumption taxes.

j/c...

1. I'm actually not assuming anything,, Just mentioned a funny Meme..It's you that took it to another level

Anything that stops or hinders a legitimate attempt to vote should be unconstitutional.

We live in a time that people work,, They need time to vote.. We also have an ageing population that needs freedom to mail in Votes..

We we don't need is some lunatic fringe group like "Cyper Ninjas" who have a clear agenda to perpetuate the "Big Lie" about the election, being responsible for Auditing elections... Also we don't need them going door to door to verify results as is proposed in Arizona. A clear attempt to intimidate voters IMO.

We don't need all these voter laws changes when it's clear as a bell that there was NO MASSIVE VOTER FRAUD committed..

This is all an attempt by Republicans (really Trumpians) to appease Trump.

You can if you wish, bury your head in the sand, but it's happening..

Just like Gerrymandering...

j/c...

figures.

When I went to vote for Hillary, 2 big Russian dudes led me to my voting booth and made me vote for Trump.

Yes, suppressing and restricting the rights of people to vote will cause that to happen. Stay tuned. I'm sure there's more to come.

In any elections in any voting,
even if the entire vote is a one room affair, or a vote on the largest scale, the fitght for fake votes, fabrications, and tainted counting, is not a fight for voting rights, but a fight to cheat.

Sure is looking bad for team RED hat.

I don't think there is suppressing or restricting unless we are talking about allowing votes to be collected at the neighborhood grocery store.

States do regulate elections. Indeed it can go to far. As I said, in this case I don't think so.

Hey, we will find out. No sense arguing about it. The central government and state governments will sort it out.

When you got nothing just go with racism....it worked out for the little shepherd boy.

How else would you describe legislation designed specifically to make it harder for one segment of the population to vote? Wouldn't you agree access and ease of voting should be the same for everybody regardless of income, race and wealth?

I am really not trying to argue just to argue. I don't think it is directly aimed at any one segment and I don't know that it makes it any harder. The same rules apply to all.

I have lived in the same home for over 30 years and over that time the polling location has changed 3-4 times. Some were more convenient then others, but it didn't make it any harder to cast my vote. It just took a bit more effort. I would have rather it stayed at the church maybe 2 miles away, but now it is maybe 10 miles away.

I get the feeling this will be happening in every state that tries to hinder voting.