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I think playing the percentages of protecting a lead was a lot smarter than gambling giving the game away with possible turnovers. It seems everyone favors analytics until they don't see the advantages to them. Then they claim a team can't "put someone away" even when the analytics say we should play it safe. Whether you win by five points or thirty points it's still a win and playing the odds seems smarter than putting on a show to me.
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Man I hope you guys are right.
I’m just not a believer in this dude. What is it you are wanting to believe?
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The floor is the ceiling. That is probably true for most veteran players since you know what you are getting. Nick Chubb as an example doesn't have much of a ceiling above his current floor.
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The floor is the ceiling. No, the floor is lava. The ceiling is the ceiling, but like the spoon, what if there is no ceiling?
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I think there is a balance that most folks wish we'd achieve where we could play the percentages while still having our defense get the heck off the field, and I'd wager that the odds of us winning go up significantly if it is OUR offense on the field and not the opponent's.
We were playing the percentages, but our Defense also just sucked and that isn't even debatable. We allowed teams to convert on almost 85% of their 4th down attempts; almost 95% when we were playing at Home! Teams weren't afraid of going for it on 4th & 5. Those rates, by the way, were dead last in the NFL and for comparison, our rate in 2019 was just 35%.
That to say that there is a difference between "playing the percentages" and "doing well at playing the percentages".
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My main point is doing it successfully. Sure with a better defense it would have looked better. There's no doubt about that. But I sat her reading people complaining about how we won while we were winning. That's just something I'll never understand. I'm about W's and not style points. But then again I'm old. 
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As someone that did some of that complaining, it was because we, quite frankly, got lucky to win more than a few of those as we did such a poor job at playing those percentages that we nearly blew it completely in multiple games.
It all worked out in the end, but I still contend that we would have done better to keep doing what we had been doing before we decided to get cute and play percentages because the results were far better that way.
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Maybe that's where the disagreement comes from. I would consider getting cute as bucking the odds rather than playing them.
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We also bought the subscription to Browns Illustrated.
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I sure hope that Clowney can live up to "expectations" that Browns fans seem to be expecting.
In Clowney's 7 yrs in the NFL, he has played a "complete schedule" of 16 games just one time.
Looking at Clowney's NFL playing history and his injury history, there should be some concerns.
I hope Clowney comes to Cleveland with a "no non-sense" attitude, willing to work his butt off to be prepared to play his best football, as a pro.
...Browns fans do have expectations.
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Clowney's playing time will be managed.
IMO there will be a serious effort to preserve him for the playoffs. He has had injuries to his knees and his practice time and playing time will be monitored.
He is a specialty piece that will be used in a rotation.
He could be very valuable if his role is defined and he is protected to a degree. He is here on a one year deal to win now. He will be put into positions to win matchups.
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I would think it would be a mistake to think that Richardson would be the lone player asked to shoulder the Clowney signing.
Richardson in my view is one of our better most reliable defenders and a real asset. I love the guy so I am biased. That said at some point I think the Browns who overpaid last season for Hooper will take more then a few glances at his salary -vs- Njoku. IMO Njoku is the better player who has had health issues thru most of his career and at this stage is the better talent between himself and Hooper. His ceiling is higher and in every measurable he grades out better.
Will all know better after the draft, will the Browns draft cheaper at say WR which is very possible. But there like at all times will be changes. The same can be said on the O Line we have Callahan who has brought along every player we have brought in.
I guess my point is there are many places we could look to cut salary and not skip a beat. I think it would be wrong to cut Richardson's salary and not include and employ some other options? Hooper is a better all around player than Njoku. He is a sixth Olineman. His blocking and Njoku's are light years apart.
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Tryth. Everyone touts Njoku's blocking, but it is only his PASS blocking that has gotten better. Inline Maybe that's where the disagreement comes from. I would consider getting cute as bucking the odds rather than playing them. So, doing what you did to get the lead you're trying to protect is what is considered "getting cute"? Uhhh... ok.
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Tryth. Everyone touts Njoku's blocking, but it is only his PASS blocking that has gotten better. Inline Maybe that's where the disagreement comes from. I would consider getting cute as bucking the odds rather than playing them. So, doing what you did to get the lead you're trying to protect is what is considered "getting cute"? Uhhh... ok. I gone done did get confused there.
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I stated that Hooper's blocking is light years better than Njoku's.
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I stated that Hooper's blocking is light years better than Njoku's. I know.
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I stated that Hooper's blocking is light years better than Njoku's. I know. : Words are expensive and cryptic is the new cool.
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I used to get Browns News Illustrated and Couldn't Wait for it to Come in the Mail Subscribed to that for years but even before that I subscribed to Sportsbeat. IT covered the Indians and Cavs also. That was when Stepien (sp) owned the Cavs. I think it was Pete Franklin in a column who referred the Cavs at that time as the Cadavers.
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I stated that Hooper's blocking is light years better than Njoku's. I know. : Words are expensive and cryptic is the new cool. I agree.
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I used to get Browns News Illustrated and Couldn't Wait for it to Come in the Mail No kidding. I knew when it was about to arrive. I would eagerly check the mailbox daily. When it didn't arrive near when expected, I would cuss up a storm, threatening to go to the post office to find the person down there who was a browns fan that took my paper. LOL...I have a copy here for some reason...Jan/Feb 1998...Mike Johnson on the cover. It has a main article about the stadium construction.
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jc...
I sure hope that Clowney can live up to "expectations" that Browns fans seem to be expecting.
In Clowney's 7 yrs in the NFL, he has played a "complete schedule" of 16 games just one time.
Looking at Clowney's NFL playing history and his injury history, there should be some concerns.
I hope Clowney comes to Cleveland with a "no non-sense" attitude, willing to work his butt off to be prepared to play his best football, as a pro.
...Browns fans do have expectations.
I agree, and most fans have unrealistic expectations. As for me, as long as he has 25 sacks, all's good. That's a joke.
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Expectations are in order.
Clowney is not an impact solution. He is a one year chess piece.
He will never be the player he was expected to be as the number one pick. Injuries not effort has eaten him up.
He will be a matchup piece role player. Takk Mckinley's role will be just as important.
Myles is the center piece.
The defensive line is a unit that Myles leads.
Sheldon, Billings, Elliott, Jackson, Takk, Guston, and Clowney. Weaver will fight to receive playing time.
The object of the unit will be to keep each member fresh and healthy. In the trenches these dudes really beat on each other.
Clowney could be used very effectively because he is a versatile player. He can still flash. He has quickness, speed, and power. He can be moved along the line. His length and quickness is still there.
He is just not a every down player any more.
Berry was brilliant in getting him here. They have a plan for Clowney.
If everyone's expectations are realistic. He is an excellent pick up.
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His sack count would be an interesting over/under wager this year . . . . Especially with the injuries history he has. 
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What should be counted is how disruptive he will be. Not sacks.
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Typo. 1989, wouldn't let me edit it. That's what happens when you have to set your office up in the spare bedroom with inadequate space. Keyboard is not like I like it.
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I stated that Hooper's blocking is light years better than Njoku's. It's ok that you're wrong. Did you know that Njoku was the league's best pass blocking TE according to PFF?
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guys and gals...stop looking at the stats and look at the film.
Clowney is a stud and this is with him being double/triple teamed. the whole point is with Garrett at the other end there is no double team...one of the two will be left single coverage.
Also we have a good interior preventing the QB from stepping up in the pocket.
In the run game look for a lot of backfield tackling as often the off side DE is left unblock in some run block schemes.
Add a Parsons in the mix and WOW! Tak is there to give some rest to both Garrett and Clowney. We want them all fresh for the post season run.
jmho - I thnk one of the best pick ups we made in FA since 1999. Sheldon Richardson was probably the 2nd best to Clowney.
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Exactly. He is probably only here for 1 year which means we may still draft an edge rusher in 2 weeks.
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Agreed if BPA is Edge guy...go get him!
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Agreed. Our FO may feel its a CB DL or a LB. A LB such as Z. Collins or Jamin Davis can be considered an edge rusher also.
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I stated that Hooper's blocking is light years better than Njoku's. It's ok that you're wrong. Did you know that Njoku was the league's best pass blocking TE according to PFF? and how was his Run blocking, and what was Hoopers?
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Clowney might not be the world beater generational talent people thought he would be coming into the league, but he is still a damn good player at his position. Opposing Ds will have to double team one of either Clowney or Garrett and that leaves the other free to rush... unless they hold back personel to double team both and either hurt their O production or leave the center of their Oline with big holes against the rush. I'm good with Clowney as a bandaid and better if he comes on strong and we resign him longer term.
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I stated that Hooper's blocking is light years better than Njoku's. I know. : Words are expensive and cryptic is the new cool. Nobody wants to come out and say it (though I was chuckling at the back and forth), but it was my understanding that Hooper's blocking, overall, really hasn't ever been anything to get excited about. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2020/03...-tight-end.htmlThat article was written when we acquired Hooper. It doesn't go into specifics, but it stated that his blocking (at the time) was better than Njoku's, which really isn't saying much at all. Run-blocking, it stated was only slightly better than Njoku (which actually is saying something, if you know what I mean). IMO, the long and the short of it is that neither guy is making their name on their blocking attributes. Njoku could stand to gain reps by showing marked improvement here (which he began to do last season).
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The way I see it taking a chance on him is a good gamble. If it works great we decide if we want him longer. If it doesn't then we just let him go. Only a one year contract. Gee that Andrew Berry is a smart guy!!!
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This is not last year's rankings but are either better today and by how much? And is it drastically different? Njoku had 160 run-blocking snaps as a rookie and 282 in 2018. His 2018 grade from Pro Football Focus was 65.4 (23rd among tight ends), below the 70.0 cutoff for what PFF considers starter-level blocking.
Hooper, meanwhile, was ranked 27th (64.2) in 2018 and 44th (56.2) last season. He has topped 200 run-blocking snaps in three of his four NFL seasons, including 360 in 2017, which produced his best grade (69.5). In my humble opinion Hooper (even before Jarvis) is the most expendable player on offense.
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I remember reading an article on Hooper right after he was signed. It credited Hooper putting extra extra effort into getting in sync with Matt Ryan. I believe it even argued that that was the key to his big numbers in his contract year (in-sync-ness w/ Ryan leading to targets and receptions). With a new QB and the offseason we had, I'd like to give Hooper more time w/ Baker before I start to sour.
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jc...
I sure hope that Clowney can live up to "expectations" that Browns fans seem to be expecting.
In Clowney's 7 yrs in the NFL, he has played a "complete schedule" of 16 games just one time.
Looking at Clowney's NFL playing history and his injury history, there should be some concerns.
I hope Clowney comes to Cleveland with a "no non-sense" attitude, willing to work his butt off to be prepared to play his best football, as a pro.
...Browns fans do have expectations.
I agree, and most fans have unrealistic expectations. As for me, as long as he has 25 sacks, all's good. That's a joke.
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jc...
I sure hope that Clowney can live up to "expectations" that Browns fans seem to be expecting.
In Clowney's 7 yrs in the NFL, he has played a "complete schedule" of 16 games just one time.
Looking at Clowney's NFL playing history and his injury history, there should be some concerns.
I hope Clowney comes to Cleveland with a "no non-sense" attitude, willing to work his butt off to be prepared to play his best football, as a pro.
...Browns fans do have expectations.
I agree, and most fans have unrealistic expectations. As for me, as long as he has 25 sacks, all's good. That's a joke.
link his contract is worth 3.8 mill against the cap. if he gets 6 sacks, he was worth it.
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