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No. The outrage is that, by your interpretation of Waters' remarks then Trump's Jan 6 speech wasn't inciting that riot (and we know that that is wrong).

Trump never said to take the Capitol or anything like that, and even said in the middle of the speech to keep the demonstration peaceful and patriotic.

If Trump incited a riot on Jan 6, then Waters is doing the same thing now. I cannot believe you can't see this.

LOL Just like Trump does!

Peen has no idea what the hell a communist is. And if he has any idea what a fascist is he has chosen to turn a blind eye to it.

Oh, I can see it. I was just pissed that the Trump supporters had the gall to call Waters out after defending Trump and other GOPer leaders for the 6th, the days immediately after, and all his other violence inciting BS. And don't mistake my outrage for support for HER. My outrage is about the cops killing (murdering) blacks (POC) disproportionately AND right wingers acting like Chauvin doesn't have a conviction coming for his actions.

My argument: What she said is not as bad as what Trump said/did from the highest office in the land. Yet Maxine has to go according to them but they never once said that about Trump? Nope, I'm not cool with that at all. Additionally, I do think that those who support the BLM movement need to up the ante if this guy walks because that would mean that the summer protests of 2020 didn't teach America a damn thing.

So you see oober, I'm not out of touch with reality, I'm just sick to death of the hypocrisy and blatant shamelessness of the right on this and many other subjects. Hypocrisy that starts at the highest levels with Trump, McConnell, and other Trump enabling GOPers and descends downward through the ranks reaching even places as small and implausibly political as this DT Browns fan board!

On this particular topic, I know for certain that not all cops are killers and bad, and not all of the POC victims are guiltless angels. But it's the broader picture of bad policing policies, inadequate training, and the systemic racism including many white supremacist/racist cops that helped to put us here and that won't get any better unless we force the needed changes. So I support bringing those changes about by whatever means necessary including civil unrest, protesting, and tolerating stupidity out of the likes of Maxine freaking Waters. I also neither condone nor condemn the left wing rioters in last years protests. I think much of that violence, destruction, and mayhem was incited by bad actors in support of Trump. Whenever the right starts yelling ANTIFA, you can almost be certain that some NAZI-esque group was actually behind the initiating of the violence and damage. And yes, I know that worked up and outraged protesters were also involved and to blame for taking the bait and taking part in the ensuing mayhem.

But rioting, property damage, and civil unrest CAN NOT be the right's pearl clutching reason to excuse the behavior of cops like Chauvin; especially after the brutality and violence in support of a wannabe fascist dictator that we witnessed out of the right on January 6th. False victimhood and fake outrage about what Maxine said or about the riots in 2020 from the right are nothing more than thinly veiled racist excuses to not do the right thing on this subject IMHO. And that infuriates me even if I can't stand her and don't condone the violence personally.

The right uses a similar racist playbook for issues at the border. The treatment of those kids in camps/cages as well as turning away refugees running for their lives infuriates me as well. I don't want unmonitored open borders allowing the scum of the earth, like terrorist, to freely enter our country. However, I would prefer a monitored open border policy OVER what we are doing to innocent people just trying to live a decent life right now.

Unlike what Peen, Eve, arch, Duty or others think about me when calling me a crazy liberal, I'm far from out of touch withy reality. Obviously I know there are questions to be answered and solutions that need to be worked out. I don't have those answers or solutions in my hip pocket to pull out and pacify the likes of those posters when their hair is on fire, but that doesn't detract from my stance of knowing we need to do something and that what we are doing now is just not right. Long story short, I'm weary and wary of each word in the right's rhetoric of false victimhood, of fake outrage, and their racist fascist authoritarian designs/desires for the direction of the country. After the Trump POTUS experience, the attempted coup d'etat on January 6th, and the stolen election lie still being spread... well I've pretty much heard and seen all I want to hear or see out of the lunatic fringe on the right. I wish all the centrist dems holding up progress on the left's agenda would return the the republican party and drag it back toward the center so we could have a true conservative party again and MAYBE bring a rational balance back to our political landscape. But until something like that breaks this political impasse of hate and division, I'm going to fight like hell to stop republicans from doing what they want at every turn and will argue against their rhetoric in situation like this for the duration. I hope this helps you understand where I'm coming from on this topic and my general political stance on similar topics.

Queue the lib bashing posts from the usual suspects.

Hypocrisy - Folks that supported Trump when he incited the riot/coup on Jan6 that turn around and blast Waters are, indeed, completely ridiculous. But the inverse (blasting Trump and then trying to explain away Waters), is just as laughable.

Trump v Waters: I'm not going to get into who (Trump or Waters) is more 'wrong'... I'm sure if someone really wanted to, they could split those hairs. One didn't like the outcome of a legit election, and successfully incited a coup attempt. The other is looking to incite a riot if they don't like a legit verdict from a court case. One is an attack on our democratic process, the other is an attack on our legal/judicial process. To me, those are awfully close together when you really think about it.


I'll just say this.... You and I actually agree on the real heart of the matter; which is that Chauvin, given the evidence I've seen so far, has earned himself a murder conviction which would send him to prison for a long time. As we know, our legal system never makes it quite that easy. I don't recall seeing an outpouring of support for Chauvin and what he did (either on here or elsewhere), especially once the majority of the evidence that was made public made it out there.
So to go from that to priming the fuse for violence in case a 'bad' verdict comes back is still irresponsible.

There is something else to think about here, what Trump did vs. what Maxine did is completely irrelevant if you live in reality because neither matter or are important at this point and time. Nobody should fool themselves into thinking that Maxine is inciting anything because regardless of what she says or doesn't say or even if she never said a thing... this country will burn if he is acquitted. POC and their white allies are sick as hell of this senseless killing and brutality at the hands of people we should all be able to trust and expect to protect us ALL. So unlike Trump in DC, Maxine is not inciting so much as she is just another POC reacting to the possibility of yet another grave injustice from the justice system. Whatever is going to happen would have happened with or without Maxine's words.

EDIT: Before some Trumpian jumps on this with, "well the same should apply to Trump in DC"... Those idiots that attacked the capitol would not have done that without Trumps words. Trump methodically lied to his followers and created false boogeymen and false enemies of fellow Americans and the media in order to gain more power and control over his base. Then he took the power that he accumulated over his campaign and 4 year term and took aim then pulled the trigger firing that rage based on lies at the capitol. There can be NO COMPARISON.

Keep lying to yourself.

Maybe you could give him some pointers?

^ This is what you say when you are trolling and have nothing else. !BRILLIANT

No, I can only say you need to quit living in an imaginary world so many times.

Don't be ignorant. You don't like my wording. Fine..the Soviets didn't either and came up with the USSR. Socialists, Communists, same thing, different name.

Invest in a dictionary. It's not your wording. It's basic word definitions.

Look up democratic socialism and then look up communism. You'll see that thus far you have no idea what you're talking about. England is not a communist country. According to your description it is it is. Wrong.

Not to mention France Germany Sweden etc .... All far the the left of England and .... Not communist. But facts do not matter, so save your typing.

Just so I know,, what was he lying to himself about?

Just empty words.

One can't understand philosophy by looking up words in a dictionary.

That's just a friendly tip.

Yeah, that's it.