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The Biggest need on the Browns today
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You can't put all your eggs into one basket of one player from Northwestern!
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I disagree Saban was mediocre as an NFL Coach. As a Defensive Coordinator here in Cleveland he had the best Browns defense I have ever seen from the Browns.
I think the intent was "as an NFL Head Coach, Saban was mediocre", and he absolutely was.
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Urban Meyer = 3 National Championships Warren Sharp = Who??? Notice "National Championships". Nick Saban has 7 and was a mediocre NFL coach. Also, drafting Etienne wasn't stupid because he is a good player, but it didn't make a lot of sense for the worst team in the league last year to spend a 1 on a RB when they already have a cheap, very good UDFA RB on the roster. It's not like that's the piece that puts them over the top. Their OL is garbage, and their defense is garbage. So let's take, in Meyer's own words, a 3rd down back. They proved it themselves you can generally find a good RB in the later rounds. But instead they use a 1st rounder on a 3rd down back. Again, I trust Urban Meyer over a no body media type. Travis Eitenne was as explosive in the passing game as he was in the run game. I disagree Saban was mediocre as an NFL Coach. As a Defensive Coordinator here in Cleveland he had the best Browns defense I have ever seen from the Browns. I always wanted him to come back to Coach the Browns but that ship has now sailed and I am fine with Stefanski. Purp is right, I meant as an NFL Head coach. I didn't specify that in my original post. Also, I think most will agree that Etienne in a great weapon to have, it just doesn't make much sense for the Jaguars. He may end up with a HoF career and make me look dumb, but that would have been like Cleveland drafting a RB in the first last night. This place would be livid. Etienne the player isn't the issue, it's his value at that point to the Jaguars. How much a difference can he make when he will be a 3rd down back? They have the most productive UDFA rookie RB ever, and he looks to be a top 10 back at worst, and yet they still used a 1st rounder on a RB. For a team with so many holes, a RB in the 1st is a luxury they shouldn't have addressed, in my opinion.
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So do don't agree with the philosophy of best player available? If Eitenne was the best player available I totally agree with taking him there.
If you have a really good wide receiver because it is not a position of need? maybe an all pro wide receiver and Jerry Rice is available do you pass him up
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How you determine BPA isn't as cut and dry as you seem to indicate it is.
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I absolutely do NOT believe in blindly selecting BPA.
If you aren't giving context and weight to your needs and how that player fits your schemes and only go purely based on some general scoring of them as a player, you WILL fail.
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Urban Meyer = 3 National Championships Warren Sharp = Who??? Since you asked... He was selected to seven Pro Bowls, was named a first-team All-Pro four times and a second-team All-Pro twice, voted to the 1990s and 2000s All-Decade Teams, and earned Defensive Player of the Year honors after a 12.5-sack season in 1999. At the time of his retirement, Sapp was one of only twelve defensive players in NFL history to make the Pro Bowl, be named Defensive Player of the Year and win a Super Bowl. And while he only has 1 college football national championship under his belt, his super bowl win is 1 more than Urban.
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Since you asked...
He was selected to seven Pro Bowls, was named a first-team All-Pro four times and a second-team All-Pro twice, voted to the 1990s and 2000s All-Decade Teams, and earned Defensive Player of the Year honors after a 12.5-sack season in 1999.
At the time of his retirement, Sapp was one of only twelve defensive players in NFL history to make the Pro Bowl, be named Defensive Player of the Year and win a Super Bowl.
And while he only has 1 college football national championship under his belt, his super bowl win is 1 more than Urban.
You're talking about Warren Sapp......the Twitter guy is Warren Sharp.
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Umm ... the writer's name is "Sharp" ..... not :Sapp".
Warren Sharp owns a sports analytics company.
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You're talking about Warren Sapp......the Twitter guy is Warren Sharp. To be fair, I made the same mistake at first. Then I realized the picture didn't look much like Warren Sapp.
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I think the intent was "as an NFL Head Coach, Saban was mediocre", and he absolutely was.
Was he, though? Or was he just a coach without a good QB because his medical staff nixed bringing in Drew Brees, and he hates losing too much to tank for a rookie at the top of the draft? It's much easier to find QBs through recruiting at a place like Alabama. Being an NFL team in bad QB purgatory is awful. Going through a winless season to get out of it rather stunk as well.
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Since you asked...
He was selected to seven Pro Bowls, was named a first-team All-Pro four times and a second-team All-Pro twice, voted to the 1990s and 2000s All-Decade Teams, and earned Defensive Player of the Year honors after a 12.5-sack season in 1999.
At the time of his retirement, Sapp was one of only twelve defensive players in NFL history to make the Pro Bowl, be named Defensive Player of the Year and win a Super Bowl.
And while he only has 1 college football national championship under his belt, his super bowl win is 1 more than Urban.
You're talking about Warren Sapp......the Twitter guy is Warren Sharp. Haha, my bad. Totally misread the name.
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We started our draft off fine with the Newsome pick. What we do tonight will determine how successful our draft will be. I wouldn't limit it to just tonight, but no doubt the picks you make after the 1st round usually define a draft class. You really need to get at least 2 good players and maybe a fringe player out of every draft and you can't get all of them in the 1st round.
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Umm ... the writer's name is "Sharp" ..... not :Sapp".
Warren Sharp owns a sports analytics company. "Puh-Hoe-nix, it's the capital of Arizona it's the largest city in Arizona."  I thought he was talking about Sapp the whole time but I haven't been following.
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Urban Meyer = 3 National Championships Warren Sharp = Who??? Since you asked... He was selected to seven Pro Bowls, was named a first-team All-Pro four times and a second-team All-Pro twice, voted to the 1990s and 2000s All-Decade Teams, and earned Defensive Player of the Year honors after a 12.5-sack season in 1999. At the time of his retirement, Sapp was one of only twelve defensive players in NFL history to make the Pro Bowl, be named Defensive Player of the Year and win a Super Bowl. And while he only has 1 college football national championship under his belt, his super bowl win is 1 more than Urban. Warren Sharp was who I was questioning not Warren Sapp.
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pretty, pretty, pretty good
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Pretty sure this was the scene in a few FOs yesterday after watching Berry at work. 
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I was just listening to local sports radio as I was doing errands. New England sports radio. They put our Browns in the 3rd tier group of teams in the AFC. They had KC alone in the top tier and Baltimore and Buffalo in the 2nd tier. They felt we had no more talent than the Pats. Take it for what it's worth. In their minds the Boston teams are always the best. Very seldom do they give credit to anyone.
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Now that's funny right there I don't care who you are!
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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SO I was just thinking....For YEARS....and YEARS....I would just be Ticked and amazed at how great pick after great pick would just fall into the laps of the Steelers...guys I really liked and were PERFECT for their style of play....These werent guys that rated low in fact many were rated as the best in their positions.....or close to it....with signs that they could be....Like Cam Heywood, Ryan Shazier, Leveon Bell, Maurkice Pouncey, TJ Watt, David DeCastro,,,,,,,and many many more....They were picking late every year and luck would just smile on their butts every year.....It seemed like majic that every year the perfect pick for Pittsburgh would be sitting there when they picked.....and of course they picked him.....
But in looking at the past few days...and even in the past few FA periods...
Man what a great feeling for it possibly and actually happening to us for a change. I feel a collective groan from the other 3 teams in the division after our pick is made....Much like I would do when the Steelers picked...
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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j/c Recap
#1 - Newsome - sounds like it was between him and JOK at #26. Newsome was the solid, unsexy pick that addresses a need. Probably starts over Greedy.
#2 - JOK - by getting JOK anyway in the 2nd round was a coup. Has the potential to be the steal of the draft. Fits Woods' system like a glove.
#3 - Schwartz - addressed a need (downfield speed threat), maybe a reach, time will tell. Potential kick returner (bumps Natson?)
#4 - Hudson - a draft and develop pick, which is how good teams stay good over time.
#5 - Togiai - a draft and develop pick. I would have liked to see DL addressed before now. As someone pointed out, maybe JAG.
#6 - Fields - described as a 'poor man's JOK', so a lesser version of the same type of player? Special teams pick (bumps Wilson?)
#7 - LeCounte - I was impressed with him when I saw him play, but a M/C crash hurt his leg and appears to have slowed him. Can he regain that speed? A late round gamble (bumps Redwine?)
#8 - Felton - versatile RB/WR. It's often said you can find good RB late, looks like that's what this is attempting. Special teams/rotational pick (bumps Johnson?)
I think we got 2 starters, some players with potential, and improved the back end of the roster. All in all, a good draft.
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Nice recap. Togiai is my least favorite pick. And I am a diehard Buckeye fan.
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My least favorite is Schwartz, mostly because I wanted Brown or Rodgers or Moore.
But, I still admit he could have a good impact
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j/c Recap
#1 - Newsome - sounds like it was between him and JOK at #26. Newsome was the solid, unsexy pick that addresses a need. Probably starts over Greedy.
#2 - JOK - by getting JOK anyway in the 2nd round was a coup. Has the potential to be the steal of the draft. Fits Woods' system like a glove.
#3 - Schwartz - addressed a need (downfield speed threat), maybe a reach, time will tell. Potential kick returner (bumps Natson?)
#4 - Hudson - a draft and develop pick, which is how good teams stay good over time.
#5 - Togiai - a draft and develop pick. I would have liked to see DL addressed before now. As someone pointed out, maybe JAG.
#6 - Fields - described as a 'poor man's JOK', so a lesser version of the same type of player? Special teams pick (bumps Wilson?)
#7 - LeCounte - I was impressed with him when I saw him play, but a M/C crash hurt his leg and appears to have slowed him. Can he regain that speed? A late round gamble (bumps Redwine?)
#8 - Felton - versatile RB/WR. It's often said you can find good RB late, looks like that's what this is attempting. Special teams/rotational pick (bumps Johnson?)
I think we got 2 starters, some players with potential, and improved the back end of the roster. All in all, a good draft. Nice summary. The addition of Hudson should make for an interesting battle for the swing OT position and Hubbard might even be at risk of being a June 1st cut, although this selection is most probably a replacement for Kendall Lamb. I think the fact that we drafted two LB means that both Wilson and Lee have been given notice of competition for their spots (5&6?) inside our LB group. And there might be room for a 4th RB on our roster ... otherwise I agree with your summation of our draft.
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Random draft thought -
I've tried to watch each post game presser with the draftees. I am embarrassed for Tony Grossi, MKC, and Marla Ridenour. Grossi and MKC ask cringeworthy questions looking for something to exploit with each candidate. They embarrass the city of Cleveland. Grossi seems especially lost now that the Browns are good. He's no longer the general of the 100 years war and appears to be suffering from an identity crisis. Ridenour possesses no actual football knowledge and asks questions that I would expect one of my 7 year old daughters who know nothing about football would ask.
Man, they are annoying.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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They really are embarassing. I think they're going to fall flat on their faces with these intelligent players we're acquiring. I hope we see more of them being put in their place like Baker did with MKC.
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My least favorite is Schwartz, mostly because I wanted Brown or Rodgers or Moore.
But, I still admit he could have a good impact All those were selected at the time of his selection, just noting. Dyami Brown, Elijah Moore and Rondale Moore, and Amari Rodgers. All Wrs. all selected before or just before the Schwartz pick. Memories fade.
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I was just listening to local sports radio as I was doing errands. New England sports radio. They put our Browns in the 3rd tier group of teams in the AFC. They had KC alone in the top tier and Baltimore and Buffalo in the 2nd tier. They felt we had no more talent than the Pats. Take it for what it's worth. In their minds the Boston teams are always the best. Very seldom do they give credit to anyone. Soo. I can't expect them to have followed the O Line improvements the Browns made between 2019 and 2020, They probably underrate Jarvis Landry because out of sight out of mind, and no reason for them to recognize Stefanski And after OBJ went down with injury , they probably overlooked all the Browns games. They're going to figure out soon enough, I mean, Browns were 3rd in the division in November, The Steelers were the ones that started 11-0, why would New England do any homework and recognize the true Browns.
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The New England Pats have a severe case of Narcissism and entitlement. It's that way with all the Boston teams and their fans.
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The New England Pats have a severe case of Narcissism and entitlement. It's that way with all the Boston teams and their fans. 100% agree...
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My least favorite is Schwartz, mostly because I wanted Brown or Rodgers or Moore.
But, I still admit he could have a good impact All those were selected at the time of his selection, just noting. Dyami Brown, Elijah Moore and Rondale Moore, and Amari Rodgers. All Wrs. all selected before or just before the Schwartz pick. Memories fade. No I definitely remember they were all selected. I was bummed
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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