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Stated better than I....same answer. Sorry someone died.

I was going to say the same thing.. you don't train to fire that one perfect shot the first time, you don't train to shoot the weapon out of somebody's hand, you don't train to shoot somebody in the knee.. those are things that make movies more interesting but nobody trains to do that.

One of the first things they teach you is how to control the gun to shoot 3 or 4 shots at center mass in rapid succession.... that 4th shot is already gone before you know if the first shot was successful or not.

That's the question though. Why, when your called for domestic dispute, don't you assume that someone is in an emotional crisis and physical intervention will be necessary rather than deadly force?
If your called for an armed robbery, yea, get ready, but a domestic dispute?

My question is relevant in the discussion of more training for police as the alternative to redirecting police funds to more appropriate social agencies.

There seems to be a lot of effort being put into claiming that police can't be expected to make split-second decisions. How hard is it to train an officer that in some situations they can shoot once instead of 4 times within seconds. How many of those 4 bullets missed?

When someone is attempting to use deadly force against someone else the object is to "stop them". Using the term "domestic dispute" doesn't quite cover someone attempting to commit murder.

Domestic disputes are mostly violent. We assume that a death was imminent. The point is, should our police receive more appropriate training?

I'm not an expert on police training or even how they're trained. I can say that in the example you are referring to here I would say no.

The thing I would say I object most to is the militarization of police forces. Secondly labeling the things they are doing as "war". ie... the war on drugs, the war on crime.

Soldiers fight wars and the police fight crime. Any time you tell people they are fighting a war they will tend to act more like soldiers.

However you must use deadly force in order to stop someone in the act of using deadly force

Once again I think you are trying to lessen the situation. People fight all of the time. They get involved in physical skirmishes. That's not the same as trying to stab someone to death with a knife.

I'm definitely NOT attempting to minimalize the violence as, I assume, you're not attempting to minimalize a child's death.

I would prefer a scenario in which no one has to die and I believe that the training police receive is a problem. I'm less willing to accept the only choice was 4 quick shots.

In the situation you are referring to, what was the other option for the officer?

He wants one shot, see if the stabbings persist, another shot, etc, etc...

I'm not overly familiar with the situation, but was not a stun gun a viable option?

Watch the video, and understand that tasers are not 'instant' stoppers. Watch the video. It's available. Tell me what you would do, as a cop, when the call was "girl with a knife threatening.....", and you show up, and a girl with a knife attacks 2 different people while you are there.

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I would have preferred that the girl wouldn't have attacked two people with a knife. She would still be alive then.

I still can't help but wonder if this girl wanted to die and commited suicide by cop. I just can't fathom what made her attack those two girls with a knife in front of the cop she reportedly called. It just doesn't make sense, but she was a teen and they certainly aren't known for being rational.

I don't think it was sucide by cop.... but think she was just so enraged that she didn't hear or see anything else around her... I honestly don't think she had an idea the cops were there.... sad situation all around...

Ahhh...back to stun guns.

And the beat goes on, and the beat goes on

It might not be possible in the current environment (constantly looking to lay blame somewhere as quickly as possible), but ideally law enforcement should always be looking at improvement. The never-ending chase of perfection type of thing. Especially when an officer is forced to take a life, I don't think the question of "what could I have done differently" is ever out of line... so long as it's not coming from a place of finger-pointing and laying blame.

And I agree with that. I think there is always room for improvement in almost everything. There are certainly bad cops within police departments and we have seen a lot of evidence of that. The biggest improvement I could see police departments making right now is to bolster the idea that good cops need to stand up and out bad cops within their ranks. Not protect, hide and cover for them. Pretending they're not there and refusing to report their actions isn't noble. It should be criminal.

I agree 100 percent. But in this case the cop did what he/she should have done. I am just so sick of people blaming everything on cops, while ignoring the fact that folks ignore the law and expect to get away with it.

I've really never saw people say they should "get away with it". I have people say that there have been times when cops have handed out the death penalty when it wasn't deserved. That's a big difference.

I agree 100 percent bro. Sometimes the cops go overboard with no excuse for it. IMO they should be fired and never be allowed to be cops again. Some cops are just BAD. Just like some lawyers, judges, and others from every career.

I've said the same thing so many times on here that when I repeat it I feel like a broken record. There's good and bad in every profession. That's why I look at every such case on an individual basis. As you can see in this thread I see nothing wrong with how the cop conducted himself. He was witnessing an act of deadly force and to protect those being threatened with that deadly force he had to act quickly and accordingly.

More like ALL lawyers.

(I am one, so I can say it).

I wrote out my earlier post because it sounded like another poster (rockdog?) was asking questions like this, but was made to sound like he was blaming the officer. I didn't take his questions like that, rather I read it like I laid out above.

It's hard to look at it objectively with such a tragic ending in such a charged atmosphere.

Your a lawyer Well hell it;;;;;;'s been nice knowing you LOL



Your still a wonderful person in my eyes bro. 10 out of 10.

Thanks buddy! Same to you!

Although when you say "in your eyes" I'm assuming you're blind now

and I'm not blaming the cop. I'm concerned that the training is not adequate. Throughout history people have done stupid and violent things. I'm not expecting the cop to arrive on the scene to instantly be a moral judge, but I think the training should put a little more focus on stopping people without using deadly force. Again that doesn't mean deadly force should NEVER be used and I'm aware that police officers often deal with violent situations without killing people. In this situation I was surprised that 4 shots happened within seconds.

I wasn't surprised at all.