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There's a really good chance that he actually took advantage of all that time he's had to sit and think in a cell and realizes what he almost threw away and is now getting another shot at having. He could have been a star making millions the past couple of years, but instead he was locked up. That just might be enough.

I wouldn't give him an inch, though, before he proves himself over and over.

Thanks for this. I agree with you completely.

If I were a betting man, I'd bet on your thinking about this matter.

If The Browns lose the Super Bowl because Parkey misses a kick, that Phil Dawson would have made,

Then enjoy the moral high ground.

(I know Phil's not coming back but there are better kickers on (x) number of teams in this league.)
75-1 scale? 37th-43rd ish, 55th ish on a great day.

Phil was one of the few bright spots on some very bad Browns teams. He was a treasure.

But did Phil ever kick in a Superbowl? Answer: No

Parkey, has he ever kicked in a Superbowl? Answer No

So you respond with something that never happened and will never happen in comparison to something that has not yet happened. This is your argument?

Flimsy reasoning and I'm being kind.

As if that even remotely matters to Throw...

I know. I don't live in a dimension where space, time and logic don't confine you. Freed from those constraints I might be able to wrap my head around a few of the things TL comes up with.

Today, Parkey is better than Dawson.

Today, yes.... Would I love to have Dawson right now in his prime,, You bet.. You would also.

He is talking about Today. Right now.

Dawson, right now, is not likely the better choice over Parkey.

My advice...fellas don't let TL's ridiculousness get you caught in a circuitous loop of illogic.

Without a flux capacitor, the only Phil Dawson we can get today is the May 2021 version.

I just so happen to have a spare one. Let me know if anyone's interested.

So, why are you?

So, a quick check shows Parkey with a 84.62% of field goals made.

What are we supposed to conclude from that?

That he sucks. If he was any good, he'd have hit 85%.

If Dawson said he would come out of retire to kick for the Browns, everybody would be on board.

I wouldn't.

Good Point, but moving on!

Damion Square DT/ (DE# from the inside) 32 years old, 9 years, apparently with the Chargers, I hardly get to watch them,

and Malik McDowell, DE/ (DT from the outside) 24 years old, never played a down in the NFL, taken 35th overall by the seahawks in the 2017 draft from Mich. State,

I think have a real chance to make the 2021 Browns and be special, (If I believe the comment, last time I heard Berry in a podcast, that he wants speed and mobility at the DT position.

( A 5 way battle for 3 spots? Those two and Billings, and Malik Jackson, and Elliott. )
Fact, ( If I hadn't have heard, and bought, the pre draft sportswriters narrative in how MUCH, they plan to do with Takk McKinley, ... I'd say,
On field only, that McDowell, could knock McKinley right into the trade room,
because I really like McDowell, he's like a Myles Garrett clone, ( AS IF!!), ya, but either way, I think Folks should be PUMPED,
And I like Takk McKinley, - but I view him as he's a tweener, and, he's right between McDowell, ( who I like his on field a lot!), and Clowney, - ( I mean, ... the Browns aren't even making this fair )
I mean,

I must say that you are undaunted in the face of ridicule. I admire that.

TL, what I've read McDowell has never taken one regular-season NFL rep. There's no legitimate measure by which he's a better football player than McKinley as of the writing of this post.

He's average... he's middle of the pack in the NFL... it'd be worth having tryouts to see if someone is better....

Plus Parkey only missed 3 FG all year and 2 of those came during that three game home stretch with really nasty weather.

you Made your point. You said there is no legit measure where McDowell is a better fb player than McKinley right now.

Takk McKinley has 17.5 NFL sacks, so nobody can argue that anybody who hasn't played yet can break your argument.

Still. People are Way under excited about the Signing of Malik McDowell and what it means as the DE position, addressing by the Browns.

Gregory Rousseau, DE (Miami(FL) Drafted by the Bills at 30th overall, DE, 6'7 265. ( If the Browns had traded up to 30 and taken Rousseau, the narrative in this town/on this board, would be, he's coming in to start opposite Myles, at least if not this year, by next, and he's another pass rush option along side of Takk McKinley.

(So, Hypothetical the Browns had traded up to 30 for Rousseau, and did not get JOK at 52 overall. < in that hypothetical, even the unhappy folks, would be coming around that Rousseau, and his issues would be the Future Pass rush #2 opposite Myles.

Now, I'm going to show you that, ON the Field, Malik McDowell from April 2017, coming off the 2016 Michigan State team, to join the 2021 Cleveland Browns, is a Mean/Lean, Green, Pass Rushing Machine, folks ought to be rightfully excited about!

and if you look at College production, at being a defender that disrupts the opponents offense,
And you Put Malik McDowell
right in the middle of Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah on one side,
and Gregory Rousseau on the other side, That McDowell is right in the Mix!
(And None of them have taken an NFL snap yet.)

I believe I said at some point last year that he's nowhere near good enough to feel comfortable in his position, but similarly he's also nowhere near bad enough to be cut with no other option on the roster. He should have competition to beat out each year in TC.

Even the immortal Phil Dawson took a couple of seasons to get to where his spot here wasn't questioned... and then, that only lasted a handful of years before we released him.

No problem, that is one's opinion. My comment was made to mac when he said, propping Dawson, that at the same point of his career Dawson had hit on 82% of his field goal attempts.

TL, in your own hypothetical you say that we trade up to 30 to draft Rousseau, a player with deficiencies that I believe was over-drafted, and don't take JOK. Then you go on to describe a front 7 that includes Rousseau, McDowell and JOK. That's not a well-constructed argument.

You also ignore how you stated McDowell is objectively better than McKinley which I believe you said in a post that prompted this exchange between the two of us.

I must say as I read more of your post I occasionally do uncover something thought-provoking. I do believe McDowell is talented but he gets no respect over an actual NFL veteran with 49 games of experience and 25 starts in this league.

https://www.sisdatahub.com/players/4689

You misunderstood. If you take each players college stats bar graph, (it's not a bar graph), and place them side by side.
Games, Starts, Tackles, Assists, total, FF, FR, Int, TD, Passes defensed, and TFL,

and place them side by side 1,2,3, that McDowell's numbers are right in the mix.
Then I lost interest.

It's those pesky 30-49 yarders, that bug me with Parkey FG Kicker.

Somebody better find out what Baltimore does with their cross winds, because I think that ball moved so far left to right, last year you have to not aim at the middle to compensate.

Aaahhh, I get it now. That was key information that I didn't get from your first post on McDowell. I'm not convinced by it but it does make a more compelling argument.

To be clear, I'm not down on McDowell. But he must prove on the field and in his case off the field, that he deserves to make the team. Given the circumstances he is coming from he faces a higher level of scrutiny than most.

Generally, an occasional missed Fg isn't a big issue. A 4th quarter miss when we are between down 3 and up 1 is HUGE. But a random missed Fg in the 2nd quarter? Disappointing but not a big deal.

The missed extra point though is a momentum killer. You have a great drive, or a turnover that results in a quick TD and the excitement is palpable. Then you miss the extra point and all the wind gets let out of the sails. Doesn't matter if you are down trying to make a comeback or up trying to extend a lead, the missed extra point is a killer.

jmo

haha yes and I’m better than Jim Brown (maybe)

The first rule of Fight Club is we don't disrespect Phil Dawson.

https://www.brownsnation.com/phil-dawson/

No disrespect intended.