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I can’t imagine being upset about the unemployment benefits.

Like, imagine being mad that nobody wants to stand in the kitchen making your fast food order for slave wages.

There’s a whole lot of jobs available. That’s true. What’s also true is that the bulk of these jobs that are available are jobs half the people on this board wouldn’t be caught dead working right now.

So many jobs right here in the mentor/Painesville area paying less than 12 an hour. Look at Alabama and it’s like 8-9 an hour.

Then it’s even worse if you’re a server. You get slave wages and gotta hope that whoever is at the table feels like tipping you today. which even then, you got these losers restaurant owners who make servers split their tip money with others.

I’m so glad I decided to invest and get into renting apartments. I’m also glad I’ll never have to work with or FOR half the people in this thread. A lot of y’all conservatives are really great at taking the human out of ‘humanity’.

For anybody on unemployment, keep taking it. These business owners were looking for ways to fire you and give your job to someone in China or a robot anyway, so there’s no point of buying into this narrative that somehow you working for p-iss poor wages is dignified.

They can afford to pay you a living wage. They just don’t WANT to. Because if they did, they wouldn’t be looking for Asian workers or robots to do the job instead.

My property taxes have gone up. I’m sure the capital gains tax will go up.

Fine with me. Cause I’m not a selfish scumbag.

I'm not upset about unemployment benefits - get that straight.

What I AM upset about is people not going back to work.

As for this part:

I am so, so close to taking a weekend job - why? Because I need it? Maybe yes, maybe no. But, at a minimum of $20 an hour at 1 place, where you can work 11-5 OR 12 hours a day on Sat. and Sunday......

Another place is offering $21 an hour on Saturday - anywhere from 8-12 hours a day, plus $27 an hour on Sunday......that's pretty good money in my eyes - for a part time weekend job.

The rest of your post speaks for itself - I shall go no further on that.

Then take the job then. Why you here talking about it? Just do it already.

I wish the people I knew were getting offered 20 an hour. Hell I don’t even need a gig and I’ll take the job if it’s paying that much.

But stop pretending like the bulk of jobs out here are paying anywhere close to that. It ain’t like that whatsoever

If 300 a week on unemployment is a big enough incentive to NOT work, the problem was NEVER the unemployment. The problem is the wages being paid while working.

Man that barely covers child care for a lot of women around the country. Taking a job would put people in a WORSE financial position than before.

Bro if you gotta take unemployment or get a 2nd job cause it fits your situation that go for it. That’s dope. But what I’m annoyed as hell is you and squires and others knocking others for THEIR own situations.

Yea, the rest of my post does speak for itself. Cause I’m not out here judging people simply because they’re not in the same situation as I’m in.

What, exactly, IS your situation? Don't go there.

Oh, and I never said the bulk of the jobs are paying that amount - $20 to $27 an hour. Keep in mind, those are part time jobs. but, not damn bad money, right?

And it's not the $300 a week, although it is. Combined with regular unemployment, it adds up.

The topic was/is "why aren't people working when jobs are available?" You answered that with "take all the unemployment you can get".



I love this part: "Taking a job would put people in a WORSE financial position than before."

That speaks volumes about attitude, and those that have the same attitude you do.

Live off of others, cause, hell, I don't want a job, and get raises for showing up to do the job, like, 40 hours a week. Why the hell would anyone do that when they can sponge off the gov't. and NOT work?

Right?

I said the "state unemployment" eligibility, not federal. Those whose businesses shut down such as restaurant workers began their unemployment at the beginning of Covid are no longer eligible for any state benefits.

The table in the link is for state benefits. If one had been following the thread this isn't complicated.

As of now anyone whose state benefits have exceeded those in that chart no longer qualify and only qualify for the current federal benefits of $300 dollars a week. In the states of Montana and South Carolina those people will now collect zero.

I hope that was written in terms you understand.

Read closer arch. Those include federal benefits. They are not restricted to state benefits which I posted and are current as of May 3rd. Sorry, there's no "gothcya" there.

All of these programs are federal programs which have nothing to do with state unemployment benefits.

Cares act - 13 weeks
CAA - 11 weeks
American Rescue Plan - 29 weeks

So no, "states" haven't extended their benefits to more weeks than the chart I gave you. As of now all anyone can collect in federal unemployment is $300 a week which is exactly what I've been telling you.

Normally 26 weeks but under this extension Ohio is paying that out for the duration of the 70 some weeks or while the order is in effect. As far as I know they are not kicking you off if you lost your job during covid, due to covid. But I could be wrong on that. Will see my daughter tomorrow and will ask her.

The states are responsible for giving out the federal money. The most direct questions to ask would be how long do people qualify state unemployment benefits and how long do they qualify for federal benefits.

You will find that the state benefits are much shorter than the federal. You will also find that a lot of people in Ohio have ran out of state benefits and are only collecting federal benefits being paid out through the states.

In order to "kick you off" they would have to end the federal benefits just like Montana and South Dakota have done.

I have no ideas why this concept seems so complicated to some.

There's two programs here. PEUC and FPUC From the colorado link in my previous post:


Then:


PEUC - extension of the state benefits. This is funded by the feds.

FPUC - $300 boost you referred to.

This is how I feel. I know there are probably many when you add them up that are abusing the system, but there are damn sure more people in need right now. $18 to $20 an hour will net you around $1500 every two weeks. Take that to the weekly unemployment, $750 a week / 2 = $375 + $300 plus up would be $675. So they are still missing out on $150 every two weeks or $300 a month... That's definitely not more than working but if you live in Qtrumpistan, it's probably much safer.

So this much ado about nothing is basically over chump change for the lowest wage earners in the country. And we all know that GOPers love begrudging any money to the poor, so this is the hill they want to make a stand on and Americans are taking notes.

I'm with you that a guy like Larry Kudlow, probably a multi millionaire who has never really struggled in his life, gets all out of sorts that a single mom might be able to feed her kids a little extra this week or treat them to something they would never get without that insignificant hundred or two extra money coming in during a PANDEMIC.

Just like you said, they are not mad about the money, they are mad that somebody other than them is using the government for gain and they might pay more for a cup of coffee at starbucks or god forbid, have to wait a little longer for service when they go in. So out come the cries for spoiling the poor because those damn poor people need to stay in their lane and just do what they are told and toil for the rich until they die, even if the toiling kills them.

A truly decent person says, "who cares that they are getting a little more?"; QOPers meanwhile are clutching their pearls all aghast.

Bro I get 100% what you have been saying. But I don't think the state unemployment benefits are ending like you think. I mean I will ask and clarify if I can, but my understanding is that the pandemic plus up includes extensions of the state funds too. I could be wrong or you could be, but we are not disagreeing that some in some places or maybe all are only getting the $300 from uncle sam. I think that might also be different in every state... meanwhile Canada is still sending 2K monthly to every working adult. The canucks must have way more money that the US...

Exactly. A total of 38 weeks in state benefits. Nothing close to the 62 to 72 weeks of state benefits that was claimed.

There are a total of 14 states that extended state benefits. None extended it to nearly the extent that was claimed. All of them are listed in the exact same table I posted here.

https://www.cbpp.org/research/economy/how-many-weeks-of-unemployment-compensation-are-available

Which means this entire premise has been perpetrated on only 14 states who extended benefits while ignoring the 36 states that did not. And even the states that did extend didn't come nearly close to meeting the initial claim.

My situation is a lot different than yours. I’m going wherever you wanna take it, buddy. I like road trips.

You can read what you want. My attitude and compassion for my fellow human being is something I’m proud of. That fact that you DONT view your fellow Americans in the same light speaks volumes, as well.

Crazy how I actually understand your situation while you attempt to belittle others for theirs. That speaks all kinds of volumes.

I'll find it interesting to see what she has to say.

It got extended beyond that. There were 3 covid stimulus bills that congress passed. All 3 of them extended PEUC. The CAREs act added the initial 13 week extension. That was set to expire at the end of December. Congress made another 11 week extension at the end of December. Then Bidens stimulus plan added another 29 weeks.


https://www.investopedia.com/pandemic-emergency-unemployment-compensation-peuc-definition-4802046

13 + 11 + 29 = 53. So you have a 53 week extension on top of the original state unemployment benefits. Your link does not include the extensions.

Did the extensions include the states base unemployment pay + the fed plus up?

Thats my understanding. 2 programs in play

PEUC - this extends the base state unemployment pay

PUA - is the extra $300/week from the feds

How so? Please explain.
I think the difference between us might just be that I want people to be successful. I want people to work for a living. Jobs are there. You, on the other hand - you've stated people should milk unemployment to the max.

I want people to work - to earn their money. Apparently you want people to suck off the gov't. teet for as long as they can.

I want people to improve their lot in life through their own efforts. You appear to want people to improve their lot in life through gov't. subsidies.

You don't understand my situation. You don't understand my WHY's. You don't understand that there is now a call for $2000 a month in gov't. income for every adult American. You don't need to understand. I don't care.


I got a bird feeder. I hung it up. It was bell shaped....took about 2 weeks for it to be gone. Got another one. Took less than a week for it to be gone.

Then I got smart and bought a refillable feeder. It had much more seed capacity. Took a week til it was empty.

Filled it - took a few days til it was empty.

I filled the thing yesterday - it's empty today.

When given something for free, it is used, and expected and becomes the norm.

Do you get it? I don't want to keep people down. No. I want them to work, and the jobs are there. The willingness to work appears to not be. Too easy to be unemployed. No, those people aren't getting rich. But they're getting lazy, and expectant.

For those that CAN'T work? Yes, help them. For those that can work, but don't?

We've got a guy on here that loves to quote the King James Bible, and it's always "verily, I say unto thee......"

Here's what I say: Give a man a fish, he eats for a day. And he'll be back the next day for another of your fish. Teach the man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime.

The gov't. is making it too easy to not go to work. My opinion, and it won't change.

Your opinion seems to be "take all you can get for free....someone else is paying for it."

You want people to work for pennies.

You don’t even realize how ridiculous you look trashing people over 300 dollars. That fact that somehow you’re translating this to me saying I don’t want people to work at all and just live off the government is also ridiculous.

And what’s worse is you don’t even understand basic economics. That 300 bucks is being spent at the same companies that these owners are whining about. How much WORSE would businesses be right now if it wasn’t for the unemployment boost. They wouldn’t be whining about lack of hires because there would be no one buying their crap.

That’s why you still don’t get it: the wages they pay doesn’t allow people to afford anything. Working those trash ass jobs at those wages will barely cover rent, never mind sustaining an economy.

But that’s arch. Throwing a bigger hissy fit over the everyday American over these business overs who were straight up committing fraud with those PPP loans. It’s cool for billionaires, corporations, and wannabe small business owners to pay people slave wages and steal money from the government.

But the moment anybody else decides to just chill, THATS when arch has a problem.

Corporate subsidies and bribing them with tax cuts: A OK with arch
Paying borderline slave wages: A OK with arch
Companies firing Americans to give jobs to people in China: A OK with arch
Business owners using government loans to do everything BUT pay workers: A OK with arch

Those same people who lost their jobs to those owners/corporations getting an extra 300 a week:

Not OK with arch.

This is why I openly mock and ridicule conservatives. You guys will spit on your fellow everyday Americans while boot licking the people who don’t give two craps about you.

I’m so thankful everyday god, Mother Nature, the universe, or whoever didn’t make me a conservative male.

I wouldn’t be able to live with myself being such a selfish person with such a low opinion of my fellow man. Just couldn’t do it.

Business pays what business deems a job is worth. The government can't dictate that.

The actual dollars the business pays to employees really doesn't matter. The percentage of the pie paid is what matters.

The percentage paid will stay the same as the business raises prices to compensate for increased wages, or any other expense for that matter.

The the customers have to determine if the product is now worth the increased expense. If it is, great. If not the business has two choices. Close the doors and send everybody home or move the business to a location that fits the business plan.

I will say that any wage gains propped by government mandate will soon be eaten up by those business' that survive by the inflation caused by increased prices.

Minimum wage workers will always be in a tight spot no matter how much magic dust the government wants to sprinkle.

In time they will choke off enough business and have enough people on the government cheese to take over business to become state run operations.

By the way, we’re still in a pandemic, just in case anyone forgot.

Qop never believed it in the first place.

Which is a big reason why they don’t run anything anymore.

Too busy dismissing reality and trashing people in unfortunate situations.

This thread is about automation, yet instead of being concerned about jobs being lost due to that very thing and only gig jobs being widely available, it’s better to instead dump on people getting chump change on unemployment.

GOP is nuts. Imagine getting your normal 6 figure government salary during a pandemic but being against one time stimmy checks and unemployment benefits.

That’s tyrant level selfishness right there. So what does it say about the people who vote for them?

I have a buddy that’s a cook. Working in dive bar type restaurants. Prior to COVID he held two jobs because neither gave him enough hours… also meaning neither gave any benefits. Between the two jobs he earned too much money to qualify for ‘welfare’ level healthcare. But he also earned too little to actually be able to afford healthcare coverage on the open market, while still paying rent and bills and such. So for years he’s been uninsured and generally avoiding caring for his medical needs. Since COVID, his unemployment along with the additional COVID monetary benefits, he was finally able to afford to see a dentist. He’s also been able to afford to have some much needed repairs done on his car. He’s actually now found some other employment which is paying him under the table. This has enabled him to keep drawing his unemployment. This is enabling him to get his medical needs met, his car fixed, and to put some money into a rainy day fund. Things he struggled to do despite working full time hours and being a hard worker… I couldn’t be happier for the guy. He’s a hard worker that’s been exploited by the system for years. I’m glad he’s getting one over on the system now.

They don't care that millions in our nation fall into this category. They don't care that millions of Americans can't afford healthcare. They don't care that the wages they are paid make it impossible for them to make a living. They don't care that we have a huge population of the working poor.

Because you know, capitalism, the market sets wages and crap. They obviously missed the history of FDR and the reason the minimum wage was established and try to deny it to suit their agenda. God help them if they have to pay an extra dollar for a burger.

Here is their standard line.....

“The minimum wage was never intended to be a ‘living wage,’ on which one could support oneself let alone a family,"

Yet that is nothing but a lie.



It's obvious that the federal minimum wage was set up for those at the bottom of the economic ladder to be able to make a living on that wage. In fact, that was the very reason it was established in the first place.

In response all we've heard are excuses why Americans should work while not being able to make a living. And then there are those who claim the government can't set a wage standard because of you know, "the market". Just because obstructionists within our government have made sure that "working class poverty" is an actual things doesn't mean people should support that. The market is paying what it wants to pay, not what it can pay. They dictate everything. Which is why laws like minimum wage came into being in the first place.

j/c...

I should probably get in on all this free money. I haven't worked in almost two years.

Folks on social security or Disability in Ohio get screwed. I lost my part time job when covid hit, and was eligible for unemployment. However Ohio is the only one out of all 50 states that take $1.00 of social security off of you for every $1.00 you get in unemployment. In all other 49 states I would have been able to collect unemployment without getting penalized.

Bro...damn man sorry to hear that.

Exactly. Hope your boy recovers fully from the financial hit.

If you qualify, you'd be stupid not to. I wish I qualified for it, but no I won't run out of work until the money is gone... then the economy collapses. Both the wife and I had more work during the pandemic than the year before and I really don't understand why.

But I have a friend, a guy I used to work with that got strung out on heroin and went through a lot trying to get straight. Well he was doing gig work when the pandemic hit, so he got the gig worker thing and got like 20K last year. He's back to gig working and still getting something I think, not sure what or how much. But if I wasn't working at all, I'll be damned if I would leave 20K sitting on the table without trying to get it.

You could probably draw it from the beginning if you lost work due to covid. Just saying.

Not altogether true..

Business pays what they think they can get away with.They'd pay $5 bucks an hour if they could get people to work for it. THirty years ago, that was not horrible...

The Government can make sure that it's at least something a person can live on. And they fail at that as well.

The issue I see being bad with federal min versus state min is that there is a large variation in Cost of Living throughout the country. I think min wage should be set at the state level, even if it is mandated and/or formulated at the federal level.

j/c...

Well look at that. When a ceo is desperate, they find magical stashes of money that came from rainbows to pay workers more.

I wonder how they figured it out. I mean we’re always told that increasing wages would ruin businesses.

Apparently not.

No, they don't. They increase prices.

Now we will see the great red fear of paying that extra buck a burger.

Now those of us on fixed incomes get it shoved up our backsides again with no lube.

Bro, you're not important. We need to make sure all the Gen Zs -- with no ambition, no work ethic and no skills -- can buy a car, house and boat. You know... a "living wage" for showing up and giving a half-hearted effort. If that means your sandwich is $84, suck it up buttercup.

Quit cha fussin! You and I and most of the grumps on here are on our way out. We're not gone yet, but we're not gonna change the world either. Besides fixed income just means you are already budgeting anyway, now you get to budget a little less. I'd rather pay more to the working poor than pay more for electric, gas, etc. AND we are already seeing upticks in the price of everything across the board... I'll be damned if I cry over WORKING PEOPLE getting paid more or a living wage. If I'm going to be angry, it will be at the corps who put us here and the rich that don't give a damn, not working people.

You would gripe if they were on welfare, you gripe because they want a wage they can live on, you gripe about the way they work... Gen Z and millennials have been forced into their parents basements until they are 30 because of the crappy ass economy OUR generation is handing them. So when you bust out that ridiculous $84 for your big mac, think about what the hell you did to help make that cost so much.

We as a working population have lived on credit so damn long we've forgotten how to live within our means. I mean we subsidize milk and other foods and have for years. We subsidize farmers to NOT grow crops... then we moan over the price of food... It's all a numbers game to the rich and those in power. Keep the working class poor and infighting over any differences rather it's the generation you were born or the color of our skin or how much others make doing a job you think is unskilled.

Those meat processors that were working and dropping like flies are not only some of the most highly skilled hard working people in the country, they are also grossly underpaid. Same with cashiers, city service workers, police, fire, food service, hospitality, etc. I don't get how anybody points the finger at them and says they don't deserve a wage high enough to live without public assistance. If you work full time 40+ hours, you shouldn't need welfare.

And I also guess you have no issue with companies like walmart underpaying its employees so much that they HAVE to have welfare just to survive. In case you haven't noticed, those aren't teenagers working those jobs.

Let me ask you this fate, were you happy those essential workers worked throughout the pandemic bringing you whatever you needed and risking their lives to keep the basics going? BUT now you think they are dumb and undeserving of a living wage? Go look at yourself in the mirror and see if you like the guy looking back at you. Did you ever struggle? Somehow I think you have and full well know what it's like. Yet your words don't reflect your experiences. smh