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How come the league is not pushing (mandate should be made but I'm sure not a realistic solution) for all coaches and players to get the vaccine. All throughout the NFL

I'm shocked that it isn't an official request to all FO and Players including Refs as well.

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NFL informs teams they should offer COVID-19 vaccines to rookies at minicamps
Published: May 05, 2021 at 08:55 PM

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-informs-tea...ign=Twitter_atn

With rookie minicamps set to commence shortly, the NFL informed all teams Wednesday night they should offer COVID-19 vaccines to all rookies, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported.

In addition to encouraging clubs to offer vaccinations, the league is also aiming for teams to "highlight to all players that vaccinations may help players avoid missed practices and games, and therefore may have a competitive impact for the club," Pelissero added.

It's the latest development in the NFL's ongoing efforts to encourage players and personnel to vaccinate -- along with opening stadiums and sites for the general public to do so, as well.

By May 17, all NFL clubs must transition back to regular-season COVID-19 protocols, which means players, coaches and other Tier 1, 2 and 3 individuals for teams "are prohibited from gathering outside of the club facility."

Other protocols set to start on May 17 or as early as May 14 for teams who begin rookie minicamps then will be a max of 15 players in the weight room, no in-person media interviews for players, no club-organized social gatherings and a max of five tryouts per week for teams.

Like other NFL players, rookies who get vaccinated will be privy to modified COVID-19 protocols, such as weekly testing rather than daily. Players who are not vaccinated will need to be tested daily.


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No cutting players because they are unvaccinated

https://apnews.com/article/buffalo-bills...m_medium=AP_NFL

An NFL team can’t release a player simply because he is not vaccinated for COVID-19, a person with direct knowledge of the league’s directive told The Associated Press on Friday.

Buffalo Bills general manager Brandon Beane hypothetically suggested this week that he’d do so if it would provide more freedom within the team facilities for meetings and offseason programs.

The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the league did not make the directive public. The NFL currently is formulating further plans and protocols for the offseason programs and training camp.

“A team may not release a player solely due to vaccination status,” the person said.

The league also is allowing vaccinated players to gather and interact with other such players away from club facilities.

The same is true for staff members. But players and staff, including coaches, may not do so at this time, according to an NFL memo obtained by the AP.

Also being considered is allowing teams to stage training camp away from their home facility. Those clubs must submit a fill medical and protocol plan “demonstrate how the club will comply with the NFL-NFLPA COVID-19 protocols at the proposed alternative location (including any hotels and transportation involved).”

A team’s plan will be subject to review and approval by the NFL-NFLPA Joint COVID Medical Committee.

One team that regularly has held a portion of training camp elsewhere is Dallas. In March, owner Jerry Jones looked forward to potentially doing so again.

“We have our plans and I assure you there’s ... a big part of you have to sometimes think, ‘Well times are going to get better,’” he said. “Do I see a more promising economic future for the NFL, maybe than others have seen or said? This tells you all you need to know about what you think about the future of the NFL. This says that loud and clear. Now we’re going to Oxnard, we’re going to have training camp, and we’re going to do it safe. And we’re going to have that stadium full and we’re going to do it safe.”

On Wednesday, Beane’s response was to a question about potentially cutting an unvaccinated player at the lower end of Buffalo’s 53-man roster. It came when the NFL is loosening its restrictions for teams whose staff and players have been fully vaccinated.

“You guys saw it in the fieldhouse, we had three and four meetings going on, and sometimes you’re talking over each other. But it was the only way to pull it off and be social distant,” he said of NFL protocols limiting the number of players who could meet at one time. “So it would be an advantage to cut a player and fall under that umbrella” of less restrictive protocols.

Last year, teams were limited to hosting most meetings via Zoom, with restrictions placed on how many players and coaches could gather at one time. Team officials and players were also required to undergo daily COVID-19 testing and wear masks.

Beane expects those restrictions to be loosened, while noting the rules have yet to be determined.

“I think there’s going to be some incentives. If you have ‘X’ number of percent of your players and staff vaccinated, you can live normal, let’s call it — back to the the old days,” he said.

“If you don’t, it’s going to look more like last year,” Beane added. “But I hope, if those are the rules, that we’ll be able to get enough people to be vaccinated and not have to deal with all the headaches.”

The NFL and NFL Players Association are encouraging, but not mandating players to get vaccinated.


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I think that the rookies should be vaccinated before minicamp to prevent missed days due to side effects.


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if I was a bubble guy id be getting vaccinated just to not give the team any reason to cut me... I know you can't get cut because you're unvaccinated... but if it's close between a guy who is vaccinated and one who is not I could see the guy who isn't getting cut because it allows more freedom in meetings and practices...


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My thoughts.

Don't allow players to opt out this season. They can get the shots or not, but if they don't they play at their own risk.


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Originally Posted By: GMdawg
My thoughts.

Don't allow players to opt out this season. They can get the shots or not, but if they don't they play at their own risk.



I hadn't even thought of that. My guess is that won't be a option this year.


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The vaccine doesn't cure covid.


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Originally Posted By: superbowldogg
The vaccine doesn't cure covid.


No, but it prevents you from getting it and spreading it. It's a simple thing to understand.

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Incorrect. It doesn't prevent your from getting it, and it doesn't prevent you from spreading it.

The vaccine helps to assure you don't get as sick, or hospitalized.

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Incorrect. It doesn't prevent your from getting it, and it doesn't prevent you from spreading it.

The vaccine helps to assure you don't get as sick, or hospitalized.


This is correct. I know people who have had the vaccine and have gotten covid and had symptoms but they were mild. Chances of being hospitalized are extremely small.




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While it doesn't "stop you from getting Covid", it does greatly reduce your risk of getting Covid.

Quote:
COVID-19 vaccination will help keep you from getting COVID-19

All COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States have been shown to be safe and effective at preventing COVID-19. Learn more about the different COVID-19 vaccines.

All COVID-19 vaccines that are in development are being carefully evaluated in clinical trials and will be authorized or approved only if they make it substantially less likely you will get COVID-19. Learn more about how federal partners are ensuring COVID-19 vaccines work.

Based on what we know about vaccines for other diseases and early data from clinical trials, experts believe that getting a COVID-19 vaccine also helps keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19.

Getting vaccinated yourself may also protect people around you, particularly people at increased risk for severe illness from COVID-19.

Experts continue to conduct studies to learn more about how COVID-19 vaccination may reduce spread of the virus that causes COVID-19.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html?


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Baker Mayfield indicates he’s been vaccinated since minicamp, and a high rate would give the Browns ‘a competitive advantage’


https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/07...-advantage.html


By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio — Baker Mayfield indicated Wednesday during his youth football camp at Gilmour Academy in Gates Milles, Ohio that he’s fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and that it’s the way to go.

“Obviously last year was new for everybody,’' Mayfield said during a media availability at the camp. “So it was a lot of learning the protocols and whatnot. It definitely poses a competitive advantage for higher vaccine rates on your team just because of the close contact [rules] and what happens if somebody does unfortunately get COVID, what can happen to the rest of the building.

“It’s a competitive advantage but it’s also way more than that. It’s about safety and just general health and well-being of human life. So I’d leave it at that.’'

During minicamp in June, Mayfield was still wearing a mask inside the Browns facility, which suggested he wasn’t yet fully vaccinated yet. But if he had any reservations, he apparently overcame them during his summer break.

Back then, the Browns were in good shape with their vaccination rate, a source told cleveland.com, but hadn’t yet reach the 85% threshold that affords teams relaxed COVID-19 protocols.

As of July 16th, 13 teams had reached the threshold, according to NFL.com, and 73.8 percent of players had at least one shot. Two teams, the Colts and the Washington Football team, were below 50%, NFL.com reported.

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said Wednesday that only a ‘handful’ of the Cowboys 90-man roster had not been vaccinated, “and a handful is five.’' A number of NFL quarterbacks have expressed some hesitation about being vaccinated or have remained mum on it at some point this offseason, including Sam Darnold, Dak Prescott, Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson.

Several Browns players have had lingering reservations about it for one reason or another, but the Browns are hopeful their numbers will continue to increase by the time training camp begins July 28th.

Last season, they were one of the NFL teams most impacted by pandemic, with Myles Garrett missing two games after testing positive, the starting receiving corps missing the loss to the Jets because of contact tracing, and Kevin Stefanski missing the Wild Card victory over the Steelers after testing positive.

The Browns are hoping to have fewer interruptions this season, and the NFL has heavily incentivized players to get vaccinated even though it’s not mandated for them.

Unvaccinated players must continue to get tested daily, wear masks and physically distance. They can’t eat meals with teammates and can’t leave the team hotel to interact with individuals outside the club. They also aren’t allowed to use the sauna or steam room. The heavy restrictions have resulted in a big jump in the numbers over the past several weeks.


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Thank you for posting that. It was a really informative article.

I somehow didn't know the vaccination threshold eased restrictions as much as it did. It's not an exaggeration for Baker to claim competitive advantage.


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Baker Mayfield is a wise and considerate young man....


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Glad this is posted here. We read the old saw about a team needing "to control anything we can" in competing. This is something any player on the roster can control unless medically prohibited.

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j/c...

NFL laying down the law on Covid, wow.




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Goodell just put his balls on the table.

Get vaccinated.

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Those who aren't a part of the solution are part of the problem. You have personal choices but those choices come with consequences.


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so.. do they refund the ticket cost?


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So.. do they refund the ticket cost?


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so.. do they refund the ticket cost?


I would assume. They can’t charge you for something you don’t receive.

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Would it be a forfeit during playoffs? What if the infected player is cut? Seems like a real incentive NOT to report honestly. Some clubs have cheated on less.

This just became a bigger deal, especially with the Tau or Omicron or Omega or Ragnarok variant. We may be in this for a longer haul than we thought with all the crowing about killing mandates. The Commish really is in this to give some guidelines. Hope he thought this through. fingerscrossed


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Man, you know Cole Beasley will be getting some side-eyes in the locker room after this latest report.


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The tests are not done by the team so there is no way they could “not report” a positive test.

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So....you only get penalized for covid if you are not vaccinated? It seems an increasing % of positive cases are from jabbed people. Do covid positive teams get free passes as long as the sick people are vaccinated? Sick is sick....the cdc lied when it said vacinated people cant pass the disease....i have no idea why the geniuses made that claim. If you have an active bug floating in your body then you are contagious to some degree.

And penalizing the healthy team? Not sure that will stand up in court.

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Court? The NFL is a business, it can make its own policies, so why would it go to court? Hopefully they will make fans show a vax passport too.


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So you support a team that achieves 100% vaccination rates not being paid for a game forfeited for reasons beyond its control?

And why do vaxxed players get a pass on testing with 14 day windows when it has been demonstrated time and again that you will still catch the bug and be contagious if vaccinated....science man...science


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The NFL's not putting you in that position, COVID 19 is.


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"You can still get COVID if you get the vax" is the same as saying "the bullets still hit you if you wear a bulletproof vest".


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It sounds good, but I see a lot of loopholes.

Who is and who isn't can't be released by the NFL. I am not even sure if the NFL can find out who is and who isn't if the players didn't get the vaccine at the team facility or by the team medical staff. I don't believe so if the player(s) don't give expressed consent.


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When coercion doesn't work...move on to extortion.

BTW, "They" really need to stop calling the shot a vaccine...it's clearly NOT a vaccine...it's a flu shot...we all know it...just say it and move on.

IMO the NFL has zero business playing this game. Put on your big-boy pants Roger and simply dictate that in order to play you must be vaccinated - which I am personally wildly against - just like making medical professionals get the annual flu shot or they are gone. Roger is a dictator trying to not appear like one...which is laughable...we all know he is. These 'games' Roger and The Shield play are stupid theater.

Like what constitutes a catch, a fumble, or holding...a drug test in the middle of the summer for some players but not others/all...a dictate of "testing the un-vaccinated"...the NFL has added another wrinkle that creates the opportunity/illusion of favoritism - as we already know that the darling teams will NEVER get burned by the new extortion.

What happens when the party-going, flu-shoted, player gets the Corona and passes it on to the not-flu-shoted player who lives in a bubble when not at work?

Just when you think the NFL can't possibly more over-reach in their dictatorship they say "here, hold my beer".

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Originally Posted By: jfanent
"You can still get COVID if you get the vax" is the same as saying "the bullets still hit you if you wear a bulletproof vest".


not even close

it would be like:

I have this magical shield around me that usually protects me from 22mm bullets and it may or may not protect me from every single other bullet.

We don't know if there is a covid season (like the flu or cold) and if so, the number of cases drops would be similar to the flu. Which, could mean the vaccine doesn't work like they think it does.

We don't know what happened to the flu. Did covid kill it or did the flu and sars somehow combine?

There are far too many unknowns for anyone to have an opinion on the effectiveness of anything.

- In '18/'19 we had 34,000 deaths, in '19/'20 over 22,000 deaths, and in '20/'21 about 700.


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Yes, it only goes against unvaccinated players and their respective team. See, there's this little thing about doing the best you can to stop the spread of Covid and doing nothing to stop the spread.

They aren't going to punish those doing the best they can.

Vaccinated people are far less likely to contract Covid. This isn't complicated.


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You do understand that the flu is much less contagious than Covid and that by wearing masks you greatly reduce the spread of the flu, right?


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Yes, it only goes against unvaccinated players and their respective team. See, there's this little thing about doing the best you can to stop the spread of Covid and doing nothing to stop the spread.

They aren't going to punish those doing the best they can.

Vaccinated people are far less likely to contract Covid. This isn't complicated.


Please define "Best you can". Is that like "misinformation"?

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The best way available to help stop the spread of Covid is the vaccine. That's not misinformation. As of now that's the best thing anyone can do to help stop the spread. Misinformation is when someone tries to say otherwise.


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They are punishing players that toe the company line....if a team is 100% vacinated and scheduled to play a unvax team that has an outbreak and the game is forfeited....the vaxed teams players dont get paid.....that is punishment plan an simple.

And sick is sick....positive is positive....it doesnt matter if you got a shot or not.

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